Sawk Posted November 3 Posted November 3 43 minutes ago, heckinglovato said: "I know my candidate is killing women in Palestine but can we pleaseeeee hold the criticism off for a couple of days because the other candidate is bad for my country's reproductive rights, and American women matter more than Palestinian women " Liberalism is a disease Trump is not going to benefit Palestine any more than Harris is, I'm not really sure what the point of this argument you're trying to make is. If you would be so kind as to explain it, I'd be more than happy to continue having this discussion. 1 13 3
NewStanner Posted November 3 Posted November 3 The way this girl just NEVER fails to spill the tea, between her early pro-environmental protests, skulldragging the piece of sh*t that Andrew Tate is, and now calling out the genocide currently funded by the US goverment We have no other choice, but to stan 10 3
The7thStranger Posted November 3 Posted November 3 4 minutes ago, heckinglovato said: No I'm fully aware you don't give a **** about Palestine/genocide, I even gained some respect for you now for admitting it If you want to believe that, fine. And, in order to follow your logic, I will believe that you don't give a **** Ukrainians, since a Trump win would be horrible for them. 5 minutes ago, heckinglovato said: Typical American Liberal trying to tell an Arab/Palestinian what is their place/job you're like a textbook Kamala supporter It's not your job, nor is it Greta's. I'll shout it from the rooftops if you want me to. 6 4
45seconds Posted November 3 Posted November 3 14 minutes ago, State of Grace. said: Libs deflecting to Trump is always funny when both candidates are terrible re: Palestine/Israel. Kamala could be pressured, but people like you think those criticizing her and trying to push her to condemn Israel and enforce a ceasefire/arms embargo are undercover Trumpsters. Why would we even bother with Trump when he's a lost cause? Again. You are not a serious person. And that person asking to wait after the election literally works for you. If she loses because people like you don't support her then guess what? The man who cannot be pressured is President for four years. You LOSE. There is nothing you can do anymore. He is a second term president (who doesn't need to worry about being elected again) and who doesn't care about far left voters anyways. If she does win, she can e pressured while being President. She is a one term president who has elections to win again and she needs the left to support. You WIN. It's not emotion, it's just pragmatism. 2 11 1
State of Grace. Posted November 3 Posted November 3 1 minute ago, 45seconds said: If she does win, she can e pressured while being President. Good luck with that. It's giving "let's elect her then push her left!!". 2 1
heckinglovato Posted November 3 Author Posted November 3 2 minutes ago, Sawk said: Trump is not going to benefit Palestine any more than Harris is, I'm not really sure what the point of this argument you're trying to make is. If you would be so kind as to explain it, I'd be more than happy to continue having this discussion. 1 minute ago, The7thStranger said: If you want to believe that, fine. And, in order to follow your logic, I will believe that you don't give a **** Ukrainians, since a Trump win would be horrible for them. It's not your job, nor is it Greta's. I'll shout it from the rooftops if you want me to. I know the tiny binary American brain cannot possibly comprehend that criticism of the current administration for funding a genocide =/= endorsement of their political opponent, but you can do it, I believe in you, American gays 4 1 1 6
45seconds Posted November 3 Posted November 3 Just now, State of Grace. said: Good luck with that. It's giving "let's elect her then push her left!!". Ignored everything else I said because you can't rebut. You are not a serious person. Anyways. I'll let II get back to your performative activism on atrl. 1 6 2
State of Grace. Posted November 3 Posted November 3 Just now, 45seconds said: Ignored everything else I said because you can't rebut. You are not a serious person. Anyways. I'll let II get back to your performative activism on atrl. Not a "serious person", but at least not a genocide apologist. 4 4
The7thStranger Posted November 3 Posted November 3 1 minute ago, heckinglovato said: criticism of the current administration for funding a genocide =/= endorsement of their political opponent, You're correct, but you and I both know that this does not describe your beliefs. Don't worry, I got you the first time. You want people to show unconditional support for Palestine at the expense of everybody else, including Ukraine. 1 4 3
45seconds Posted November 3 Posted November 3 1 minute ago, State of Grace. said: Not a "serious person", but at least not a genocide apologist. See you after Tuesday Remember you lose either way 2 4
Sawk Posted November 3 Posted November 3 Just now, heckinglovato said: I know the tiny binary American brain cannot possibly comprehend that criticism of the current administration for funding a genocide =/= endorsement of their political opponent, but you can do it, I believe in you, American gays I've criticized the way Harris runs her campaign, I am not a blind supporter of any candidate, nor am I a supporter of the ongoing genocide of the Palestinian people. I have been aware of this issue years before the 7th of October attacks, I have boycotted and am still boycotting the countless companies that are openly supporting Israel. I'm genuinely appalled at the hostility you're demonstrating towards the CLEAR better candidate; sometimes picking the lesser of two evils is the correct option. I did not say you're endorsing the opposition, but you might as well be helping out deter voters who would choose Harris since "they're both bad anyways". 6 1
State of Grace. Posted November 3 Posted November 3 1 minute ago, 45seconds said: See you after Tuesday Remember you lose either way Well yes, people like me are ****** whether Trump or Harris win. Good luck to all Americans who aren't pro-genocide though. They deserve better candidates than these two monsters. 5
Communion Posted November 3 Posted November 3 45 minutes ago, 45seconds said: No one promised you that. Oh, that's not, I- 4
Tylerbv Posted November 3 Posted November 3 I agree with her, but I don't really know what the aim of posting this right now is. Both potential presidents are supporting the genocide. There is no other option. While it's not acceptable, there is literally no other option. Harris isn't perfect, but she is the only candidate who has any chance of making progress to better human lives. People should continue to protest, but not voting or voting third-party is pointless. 5
heckinglovato Posted November 3 Author Posted November 3 2 minutes ago, The7thStranger said: You're correct, but you and I both know that this does not describe your beliefs. Don't worry, I got you the first time. You want people to show unconditional support for Palestine at the expense of everybody else, including Ukraine. You don't know **** if you think I'm rooting for Trump you'll find posts from me dating back to 2016 supporting Hillary against him Again, super tiny teeny limited binary view with no nuance whatsoever 2 minutes ago, Sawk said: I'm genuinely appalled at the hostility you're demonstrating towards the CLEAR better candidate; sometimes picking the lesser of two evils is the correct option. You're appalled by me for choosing to rightfully criticize a politician that is actively funding the ethnic cleansing of my people? Are you 100% sure you're not on DNC payroll? 3
Communion Posted November 3 Posted November 3 3 minutes ago, 45seconds said: See you after Tuesday Remember you lose either way Are you even American? I don't even know what's worse. You being an American racist who says they know no Muslims or being a European racist who says they know no Muslims, being overtly proud of your ignorance in both scenarios. And then you act confused when the adults on here recognize your politics as either childlike or ontologically evil. L 6
SUNSET BLVD Posted November 3 Posted November 3 11 minutes ago, State of Grace. said: Good luck with that. It's giving "let's elect her then push her left!!". Cool take. It's either her or Trump. 1 1
SUNSET BLVD Posted November 3 Posted November 3 47 minutes ago, State of Grace. said: I was constantly told that people should not protest Harris or try to pressure her to call out Israel/force a ceasefire before she's in office. Several people told me that once she wins, she will stop the war because she hates Netanyahu. Not the backtracking already.... yeah none said that. Not a soul. 4
The7thStranger Posted November 3 Posted November 3 Just now, heckinglovato said: You don't know **** if you think I'm rooting for Trump Don't worry, I got you the first time. You want people to show unconditional support for Palestine at the expense of everybody else, including Ukraine. 2 5
SUNSET BLVD Posted November 3 Posted November 3 42 minutes ago, canvey916 said: Let's be honest, there's never a "right time" for these kinds of discussions when it comes to most liberals. If she wins (and I hope she does, in spite of everything) most Democrats will go back to brunch and dismiss any critics of her administration as disgruntled Trumpers, Stein supporters, "privileged far leftists," misogynists/racists, etc. That's been the playbook for a while now. Yawn. Most liberals didn't want Biden and objected to his support on Palestine. Gen z loooooves to think they're edgy when they criticize democracts. 1 1 1
heckinglovato Posted November 3 Author Posted November 3 1 minute ago, The7thStranger said: Don't worry, I got you the first time. You want people to show unconditional support for Palestine at the expense of everybody else, including Ukraine. The way you think that's a drag yes I actually disagree with all forms United States states imperialism and global policing, including funding wars both in the Middle East and Europe Liberals are stuck in an echo-chamber where they think everyone is drooling over the US' hawkish financing of Ukraine (which is btw for the sole objective of weakening Russia, their #1 adversary) 1
heckinglovato Posted November 3 Author Posted November 3 6 minutes ago, SUNSET BLVD said: yeah none said that. Not a soul. Not to get in the way of your narrative but I've seen it happen even here on ATRL
Sawk Posted November 3 Posted November 3 Just now, heckinglovato said: You're appalled by me for choosing to rightfully criticize a politician that is actively funding the ethnic cleansing of my people? Are you 100% sure you're not on DNC payroll? ??? Trump would not be in any way shape or form any better than Harris in the funding of this genocide, but unlike him, she is more malleable and could definitely be a greater hope in ending the atrocities being committed. This is the reason I found the criticisms at this time, two days before the election, sorta weird. These remarks have already been made, Ms. Thunberg is in her right to be speaking about these issues, and I agree with her about them, but the timing is what sort of ticked me off. I'm for harm reduction and better odds, something that we can achieve with a Kamala Harris administration. My point is, now is not the most favorable time to be equating these two politicians when, in actuality, they stand for much different things. 1 4 1
The7thStranger Posted November 3 Posted November 3 1 minute ago, heckinglovato said: Liberals are stuck in an echo-chamber Unlike you? 1 10
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