news Jill Stein's VP: 'No biological males in female sports', wants a 16-week abortion ban

[Rep2000]

5 minutes ago, Princess Aurora said:

If you mean what happened to that poor boxing girl in Paris, that is not something I agree with. Bullying a woman who doesn't look 'traditionally' feminine is just sexist to me.

Don't forget racist. Since only the boxers of colors (Imane being Algerian and there's another Taiwanese boxer) were being accused of being trans. 

[Communion]

41 minutes ago, TaggedGalaxy said:

imagine if Kamala or Tim said this

Sadly several Democrats have already parroted this framing:

 

1 hour ago, Princess Aurora said:

I don't understand this rising transphobia in Anglophone countries...

This is a grossly framed issue that elected officials in the US meant to represent "the left" have done little work to defend re :framing, so it's unfortunately something the right has obsessed on, leading to even many Democrats pushing the frame like above. 

 

However, for the sake of positivity, I do think it's important to remember outside of this issue, that trans rights are deeply popular in America. That Americans do not have real interest in throwing trans people under the bus and that the political inclination to do so is moral cowardice, not meaningful thermometer-reading.

 

That 1) Americans mostly agree trans people's issues should be left to them and their doctor out of the basic fact that most cis Americans simply just don't care about what is going on with trans people and thus 2) Butch Ware's personal conservatism on this issue shouldn't be conflated for the average American.

 

Stein's initial reasoning for picking him made sense - she said she saw a video of him speaking on Gaza and was moved by how he spoke of the genocide in relation to civil rights, which makes sense with his background, but his background is not just genocide but theology. He seems positioned as a reactionary (some online have said he's giving hotep) on these types of issues.

 

Clearly her campaign failed to properly vet him to see if he aligns with her full campaign of views and dropped the ball.

 

It's a shame cause I don't think I've encountered Jill Stein ever espousing transphobia, but unless there's some accountability or a sit down where she uses her background as a medical doctor to walk him through why his understanding of trans people is wrong on video, it's impossible to vote for her.

 

It's gonna be Claudia all the way then. 

 

Edited November 1 by Communion

[Peak Now]

1 hour ago, Princess Aurora said:

I don't understand this rising transphobia in Anglophone countries.....I mean, in Italy we had a representative who was openly transgender in the 2000s and it wasn't much of a problem, whereas in the UK starting from 2019 onwards, there was a weird obsession with trans people and in the US it got even worse around 2022. What is happening?

They failed in imposing their homophobic projects (I am not saying that homophobia doesn't exist anymore but public attitudes have shifted dramatically here since the 2000s, remember how California voted against gay marriage in 2008) so they're targeting a different queer group instead, with the thinnest veneer of feminism roping in alleged progressives

 

[Princess Aurora]

6 minutes ago, Rep2000 said:

Don't forget racist. Since only the boxers of colors (Imane being Algerian and there's another Taiwanese boxer) were being accused of being trans. 

Oh, that one too. It was disgusting and unacceptable 

[abelfenty]

18 minutes ago, Princess Aurora said:

If you mean what happened to that poor boxing girl in Paris, that is not something I agree with. Bullying a woman who doesn't look 'traditionally' feminine is just sexist to me.

That has nothing to do with what I said though because Imane Khelif wasn't born a man. That was just right-wingers being bigots.

[Princess Aurora]

9 minutes ago, Peak Now said:

They failed in imposing their homophobic projects (I am not saying that homophobia doesn't exist anymore but public attitudes have shifted dramatically here since the 2000s, remember how California voted against gay marriage in 2008) so they're targeting a different queer group instead, with the thinnest veneer of feminism roping in alleged progressives

 

I agree but I think this current wave of transphobia also includes a thin-veiled homophobia. Of course, this is my opinion but that's what I noticed.

[Princess Aurora]

2 minutes ago, abelfenty said:

That has nothing to do with what I said though because Imane Khelif wasn't born a man. That was just right-wingers being bigots.

Oh okay. sorry, I thought it was about that lol It's just that I found that whole situation bizarre and inhuman. 

[Embustera]

I don't see the problem. Men are physically stronger than women. Most people think like him. Some of you are so far removed from reality. Jill is an amazing woman tho unlike someone else.

 

[Princess Aurora]

14 minutes ago, Communion said:

Sadly several Democrats have already parroted this framing:

 

This is a grossly framed issue that elected officials in the US meant to represent "the left" have done little work to defend re :framing, so it's unfortunately something the right has obsessed on, leading to even many Democrats pushing the frame like above. 

 

However, for the sake of positivity, I do think it's important to remember outside of this issue, that trans rights are deeply popular in America. That Americans do not have real interest in throwing trans people under the bus and that the political inclination to do so is moral cowardice, not meaningful thermometer-reading.

 

That 1) Americans mostly agree trans people's issues should be left to them and their doctor out of the basic fact that most cis Americans simply just don't care about what is going on with trans people and thus 2) Butch Ware's personal conservatism on this issue shouldn't be conflated for the average American.

 

Stein's initial reasoning for picking him made sense - she said she saw a video of him speaking on Gaza and was moved by how he spoke of the genocide in relation to civil rights, which makes sense with his background, but his background is not just genocide but theology. He seems positioned as a reactionary (some online have said he's giving hotep) on these types of issues.

 

Clearly her campaign failed to properly vet him to see if he aligns with her full campaign of views and dropped the ball.

 

It's a shame cause I don't think I've encountered Jill Stein ever espousing transphobia, but unless there's some accountability or a sit down where she uses her background as a medical doctor to walk him through why his understanding of trans people is wrong on video, it's impossible to vote for her.

 

It's gonna be Claudia all the way then. 

 

I wasn't talking about Jill Stein because it's none of my concern since I don't care about her, the essay wasn't needed lol. It's just that I didn't understand why Transphobia is now rising in countries like the UK, the US, and now low-key in Canada, especially in the political discourse. Back in 2014, no one cared, now they all scream moral panic towards drag queens and trans people. It just makes no sense to me.

[makeme]

@Raver
this you?

[Reginald]

24 minutes ago, Princess Aurora said:

I agree but I think this current wave of transphobia also includes a thin-veiled homophobia. Of course, this is my opinion but that's what I noticed.

My theory is that the trans/homophobia, especially with the "groomer" narrative is all a deflection from the fact that the GOP has fully normalized Epstein's #2 accomplice. The only worse person they could've spent the last decade worshipping, is Ghislaine Maxwell. I mean, just last week another person said she was abused by Trump, while Epstein watched, IN TRUMP TOWER

 

These GOP cultists have totally embraced the world's #2 pedophile and now they want to call everyone else sexual deviants.

[Princess Aurora]

4 minutes ago, Reginald said:

My theory is that the trans/homophobia, especially with the "groomer" narrative is all a deflection from the fact that the GOP has fully normalized Epstein's #2 accomplice. The only worse person they could've spent the last decade worshipping, is Ghislaine Maxwell. I mean, just last week another person said she was abused by Trump, while Epstein watched, IN TRUMP TOWER

 

These GOP cultists have totally embraced the world's #2 pedophile and now they want to call everyone else sexual deviants.

This 100%. The 'groomer' sounded very homophobic to me and as you said, it helps actual groomers. Also, did you see what happened with P. Diddy's situation? An actual groomer is now being defended by some people, especially in some right-wing circles as canceling or clowning him for his sexuality when he is an abuser and a groomer as well. 

Edited November 1 by Princess Aurora

[Pheromosa]

hopefully she takes some of Trump's votes

this is just perfect

 

[KahnumDash]

alright, moving on

[Communion]

28 minutes ago, Princess Aurora said:

the essay

Some people have thoughts. You don't have to project just because you don't exert the same level of thinking sis.  I was in good faith trying to share positivity on the state of LGBTQ rights in America.

 

I did though notice you haven't reported this thread as needing to be merged in the 2024 megathread despite previously calling for one of my past threads to be merged but its fine sis, I'm just teasing. 

[Princess Aurora]

7 minutes ago, Communion said:

Some people have thoughts. You don't have to project just because you don't exert the same level of thinking sis.  I was in good faith trying to share positivity on the state of LGBTQ rights in America.

 

I did though notice you haven't reported this thread as needing to be merged in the 2024 megathread despite previously calling for one of my past threads to be merged but its fine sis, I'm just teasing. 

Oh no, no. I found it a bit unnecessary since it wasn't fully related to the question. And no, I don't have anything against you. This thread is more about social issues than political issues, like a random billionaire donating money to a politician. Therefore, social issues shouldn't be political, at least in my opinion. 

Edited November 1 by Princess Aurora

[Bloo]

42 minutes ago, Reginald said:

My theory is that the trans/homophobia, especially with the "groomer" narrative is all a deflection from the fact that the GOP has fully normalized Epstein's #2 accomplice. The only worse person they could've spent the last decade worshipping, is Ghislaine Maxwell. I mean, just last week another person said she was abused by Trump, while Epstein watched, IN TRUMP TOWER

 

These GOP cultists have totally embraced the world's #2 pedophile and now they want to call everyone else sexual deviants.

I disagree about this just being a deflection about Epstein. The anti-queer playbook has always been to frame us as PDFs. Here’s a 1960s info-ad where they are spreading homophobic rhetoric that gay men target young boys and are often spotted hanging around the men’s bathroom looking for children:

 

 

[family.guy123]

Any man who inserts himself into the sports debate is a misogynist. Full stop. It affects you in no way and your opinions do not matter. This topic should be reserved for women ONLY. 

[Superbitch]

And as usual That one atrl user 

who spends all year trashing dem

candidates finds a way to make it about them instead of these trumpees 

Edited November 1 by Superbitch

[Illyboy]

3 hours ago, abelfenty said:

Saying biological men shouldn't play in female sports and vice versa isn't transphobic 

it is by definition lol

[UnusualBoy]

They're the same scum, so this isn't surprising.

[family.guy123]

42 minutes ago, Illyboy said:

it is by definition lol

What definition?

[abelfenty]

1 hour ago, Illyboy said:

it is by definition lol

It quite literally is not. The definition of transphobia is to show a dislike or prejudice towards transgender people. No one is saying trans people can't participate in sport. Biological men have a physical advantage over biological men because they are typically stronger, faster etc therefore shouldn't be allowed to compete in opposite gender sport. No is saying trans people shouldn't compete in sports cause they don't like trans people me (at least I'm not)

 

[anastaciabby]

3 hours ago, Superbitch said:

And as usual That one atrl user 

who spends all year trashing dem

candidates finds a way to make it about them instead of these trumpees 

I mean they just copy paste arguments when presented with facts so

[Bloo]

1 hour ago, abelfenty said:

It quite literally is not. The definition of transphobia is to show a dislike or prejudice towards transgender people. No one is saying trans people can't participate in sport. Biological men have a physical advantage over biological men because they are typically stronger, faster etc therefore shouldn't be allowed to compete in opposite gender sport. No is saying trans people shouldn't compete in sports cause they don't like trans people me (at least I'm not)

 

Saying trans women should not be able to compete in women's sports due to biological advantages is banning them from sports. The idea that there could be a transgender sports league where trans women are numerous enough to support multiple competing teams and there is enough viewership to fund such events is laughable at best. If you are arguing that trans women should be barred from women's sports altogether, then just be honest and say you think they should be banned from professional sports because that is the penultimate result of what you are advocating for.

 

This is a complex issue and understandably has a lot of nuance to discuss. However, the number of transgender professional athletes is so tiiiiiiny that obsessing over this as if it's a real, meaningful problem is silly. Additionally, the hyper-fixation on this is causing more problems for cisgender women because you get racists and transphobic bigots that think any woman who doesn't "look like a woman" (usually a woman of color) needs to have her genitals inspected and barred from competition. 

 

TLDR: saying trans women should be barred from professional women's sports is effectively saying they should be barred from professional sports; just be upfront about that.