NEX Posted November 1 Posted November 1 Obviously she's "on our side", but a lot of things cannot be spoken about directly during a campaign with razor thin margins out of fear of alienating large swathes of the electorate. In 2008 and even in 2012 Barack Obama answered gay marriage questions with "I believe that marriage is between a man and a woman", but then ended throwing full support behind it in his second term. Seems like nowadays people who want to see social change want it right away and are happy to walk over anyone who doesn't explicitly support their exact vision on it. They rather tank Kamala's campaign by punishing her for not being more outspoken about it. Social media created these crazy online bubbles that are extremely detached from reality and this forum seems to be even more delulu about most of those issues. 3
lgaga1fan Posted November 1 Posted November 1 (edited) Affirming surgery and general healthcare can be the difference between life and death for many trans people. Saying she' supports trans healthcare initiatives and won't rip that right away isn't the same as supporting gay marriage. We need healthcare to survive, we don't need to get married. She needs to make it clear that trans healthcare rights are going to be protected under her presidency but she wont because she's attempting to win over undecided voters. Edited November 1 by lgaga1fan 4 2
family.guy123 Posted November 1 Posted November 1 Yes. She's representative of the average American. I would know.
IBeMe Posted November 1 Posted November 1 No tbh. It's not liberals…it's my fellow progressives who give her an hard time and with reason. Liberals are just middle of the road conservatives with strokes of social liberalism. 12 1
John Slayne Posted November 1 Posted November 1 no, criticism and accountability are key elements of a healthy democracy. 2
NEX Posted November 1 Author Posted November 1 10 minutes ago, lgaga1fan said: Affirming surgery and general healthcare can be the difference between life and death for many trans people. Saying she' supports trans healthcare initiatives and won't rip that right away isn't the same as supporting gay marriage. We need healthcare to survive, we don't need to get married. She needs to make it clear that trans healthcare rights are going to be protected under her presidency but she wont because she's attempting to win over undecided voters. Precisely, so you can assume unspoken support. There's no need to squeeze that answer out of her and let her lose the election as a result. That's the part most of you don't understand. People who want to see Project 2025 playout can assume that if Trump is elected a lot of it will playout. Trump can happily distance himself from the project without alienating the middle and still get those fringe votes. Where as liberals want to throw Kamala off a cliff just because she doesn't throw full support behind their specific concerns. It's always like that. The right is united and the left is infighting 1 1 2
kimberly Posted November 1 Posted November 1 2 minutes ago, IBeMe said: No tbh. It's not liberals…it's my fellow progressives who give her an hard time and with reason. Liberals are just middle of the road conservatives with strokes of social liberalism. yes. and, to that end, I think most people who are critiquing Kamala Harris would have even harsher critiques for Donald Trump. 4
Rep2000 Posted November 1 Posted November 1 Just now, kimberly said: yes. and, to that end, I think most people who are critiquing Kamala Harris would have even harsher critiques for Donald Trump. "Would have"? They have a very *funny* way of doing that, since that orange cheater is getting scotch free from blocking the peace talks. And he even bragged about it. And yet, I have heard nothing from that crowd about Trump beside the downvotes. 1
jadeabove Posted November 1 Posted November 1 She is on a different level of scrutiny. The Palestinian issue has existed for the past 77 years, so it is a bit unfair to put all of this on her. However, she has dealt with the situation in very questionnable ways.
LittleStarmen Posted November 1 Posted November 1 No coz she kind of doesnt represent anything or have any goal 2
Onyxmage Posted November 1 Posted November 1 Theres a difference between having robust debates and threatening people like people on the right do. Do I agree with all of their takes? Not necessarily but I do believe their hearts are in the right place. I just hope we have a country after this election where we are free to discuss our ideas and criticize our leaders without fear of retaliation.
Shinkirou Posted November 1 Posted November 1 First of all, liberals? I think you've got your terms confused. Liberals ARE Kamala's base. I think you mean leftists. But anyways. Don't you think that the criticism that Obama got for those comments is what pushed him to later give his support to gay marriage? And who are you or who is anyone really, to dictate how fast people should get rights and a dignified life? If Kamala one day changes her mind about some of her horrible politics it will be because of the people you're criticizing, not because of the people she knows will always support her because they're too afraid of republicans.
ImpressMeMuch Posted November 1 Posted November 1 No, people should absolutely be critical of any president or nominee. but to use it as an out to not vote or vote for her is idiotic
loveisdead9582 Posted November 1 Posted November 1 I get criticism. It is a good idea to ask questions and push for change. There's also a bit of nuance that some seem to lack as well as some basic knowledge. Kamala can't do anything until she's in office. Until then, it's Biden's house. Yes - a cease fire and aid for Palestine as well as trans healthcare are important issues and need to be pushed for. We KNOW that none of these things will happen if Trump gets elected. There's a chance that it can happen with Kamala. It's not an ideal situation and we all know it, but right now she is the best realistic choice for the desired outcome. Her detractors in here have a bad habit of staying silent on trump and other republicans but have no problems trying to put people off from voting for her.
RunUpDoneUp Posted November 1 Posted November 1 What liberals are being hard on kamala? THEY'RE THE ONES DEFENDING HER STUPID SWITCHING, HER LIES AND HER ZIONISM. Maybe you mean leftists and progressives. Those groups are the ones giving pushback to kamala's disgusting rightwing shift and self harming heel turns. She's weakening herself to appear moderate(but really rightwing) in an election against a fascist, she's being beyond stupid and it would be ideologically inconsistent to not drag her for it. Kamala is the COMPROMISE not the chosen candidate of anyone that is actually on the left. Liberals support the system, therefore they support kamala.
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