charts discussion Lady Gaga - Disease | Day 16: #111 Global (-29), 1.5M (-240K)

[BrokenMachine]

12 minutes ago, penguintim said:

Aight enough of that gay ****

Unfiltered Spotify 1st week total
Disease: 22,777,222
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Woman's World: 10,375,065
Lifetimes: 7,510,753
I'm His, He's Mine (feat. Doechii): 4,778,419
Woman's World + Lifetimes + I'm His, He's Mine: 22,634,237

 

51 minutes ago, Femininomenon said:

This thread is about Disease keep on topic plz 

 

[penguintim]

1 minute ago, BrokenMachine said:

 

 

It's on topic tho? I'm discussing Disease's unfiltered streams

[Liafen]

1 hour ago, kimberly said:

 

Hive not beating the math illiteracy allegations I see 

 

[CherryBay]

#73 Netherlands

[Jon Snow]

41 minutes ago, PerfectCure said:

You know I really thought Beyoncé fans were one of the few actually cool bases who minded their business before entering these threads about Disease this week. Turns out I was wrong  Some of you are following the trajectory this song has on the charts like it's getting you paid JUST to make fun of it which is extremely odd, and honestly makes me feel bad. Like it's the weekend. Do something better, be more productive. Relax. Hope it gets better for you all! 

Have you entered any of Beyoncé's threads and seen Liddos there? BREAK MY SOUL Spotify thread was so messy that they had to ban mentioning Gaga and Stupid Flop. Liddos are always there to drag Beyoncé. Most of Hive actually love Gaga, but this is just payback for ten years of Liddo attacks 

[Mariah4life]

currently streaming this revolutionary song

[Doctor Dick]

7 hours ago, wastedpotential said:

Ddddd sister this is just Interscope throwing good money after the bad, desperately chasing traction because they want a return on their investment. Maybe it'll work out, but I wouldn't hold my breath. After all, Small Talk was a TTH #1. We'll address this again in a week or two and determine what sort of impact the TTH placement ended up having 

 

Most of them, even Small Talk, received them on DAY ONE during their FIRST WEEK. Small Talk with a TTH #1 couldn't crack the Top 20 at all and Gaga's Disease without the placement has. You thinking it's even going to perform similarly is absurd. But I guess that's why you went to that ATRL jail because most of your takes are. 

 

Secondly, Ariana, Dua, Taylor, Billie all had a #1 on TTH and a music video on DAY ONE in their FIRST WEEK. Gaga didn't and still did 4.4M. People say TTH gives a boost, that the reason she went up yesterday was the music video effect but all of those I mentioned had all of that the day the song premiered so it's safe to say that 4.4M would've been more had she also done that. But lastly, listen to yourself. Disease without all of the above did 4.4M first day and it caused you guys to spiral out of control. Then when she saw a boost it was because of the music video, now that's she's stable it's because of Halloween and tomorrow if she's stable again or gets a boost it's because of TTH? I mean, listen to yourself. Desperately trying to discredit her success. NOW she has what the others have had since the beginning, so let's see. But Small Talk is a stupid example because it had all of the above and only spent a day in the Top 50. Disease didn't. So Katy's song is a stupid example. 

[OrgVisual]

30 minutes ago, penguintim said:

Aight enough of that gay ****

Unfiltered Spotify 1st week total
Disease: 22,777,222
------------
Woman's World: 10,375,065
Lifetimes: 7,510,753
I'm His, He's Mine (feat. Doechii): 4,778,419
Woman's World + Lifetimes + I'm His, He's Mine: 22,634,237

Now post TTH positions and playlist reach

 

Flops Of A Feather though

 

[Doctor Dick]

1 minute ago, OrgVisual said:

Now post TTH positions and playlist reach

 

Flops Of A Feather though

 

Girl, Small Talk had and debuted with 2.2M. Gaga debuted with 4.4M without it. Just stop. 

 

[oceans]

it's starting to stabilize

[penguintim]

5 minutes ago, OrgVisual said:

Now post TTH positions and playlist reach

 

Flops Of A Feather though

 

Stay on topic

[wastedpotential]

13 minutes ago, Doctor Dick said:

Most of them, even Small Talk, received them on DAY ONE during their FIRST WEEK. Small Talk with a TTH #1 couldn't crack the Top 20 at all and Gaga's Disease without the placement has. You thinking it's even going to perform similarly is absurd. But I guess that's why you went to that ATRL jail because most of your takes are. 

 

Secondly, Ariana, Dua, Taylor, Billie all had a #1 on TTH and a music video on DAY ONE in their FIRST WEEK. Gaga didn't and still did 4.4M. People say TTH gives a boost, that the reason she went up yesterday was the music video effect but all of those I mentioned had all of that the day the song premiered so it's safe to say that 4.4M would've been more had she also done that. But lastly, listen to yourself. Disease without all of the above did 4.4M first day and it caused you guys to spiral out of control. Then when she saw a boost it was because of the music video, now that's she's stable it's because of Halloween and tomorrow if she's stable again or gets a boost it's because of TTH? I mean, listen to yourself. Desperately trying to discredit her success. NOW she has what the others have had since the beginning, so let's see. But Small Talk is a stupid example because it had all of the above and only spent a day in the Top 50. Disease didn't. So Katy's song is a stupid example. 

 

Sister, please take a breath and unclench! I never claimed that Small Talk was a hit nor that Disease was going to follow its path directly. That was merely a reference to another post in which a user was providing an example of the fact that sometimes flop songs end up at #1 on TTH and that it doesn't have an impact if the public isn't receiving the song. Sure, Disease didn't start atop the playlist, but you'd have to be really high on your own supply to think it'll move the needle for Disease much now when I'd put good money on many (maybe even a majority) GP users starting their TTH streaming session with APT. or Taste. 

 

Disease's first day numbers were good! They were almost as good as Stupid Love! I'm sure they'd have been even better with the video and the TTH #1, maybe even above Stupid Love! The problem came in the form of the immediate collapse down the charts and the weaker than anticipated recoveries on days that should've been strong (both the first Monday and then the video/Halloween). We'll have to see what the numbers look like over the next few days, but I wouldn't have my hopes set too high if I were you!

 

All that's to say, it's far too early for anyone to be making comments about "stability" either way, when the song is less than a week old 

 

 

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And for the record, I went to ATRL jail because there's a particular Modga who can't take a joke to save their life, but that's neither here nor there and I'm well acquainted with their methods of rule enforcement 

Edited November 1 by wastedpotential

[BrokenMachine]

20 minutes ago, Doctor Dick said:

Girl, Small Talk had and debuted with 2.2M. Gaga debuted with 4.4M without it. Just stop. 

 

Small Talk was released FIVE years ago. Spotify subscribers have duplicated since then, so it's fair to say Disease is on par 

 

[Doctor Dick]

2 minutes ago, wastedpotential said:

Disease's first day numbers were good! They were almost as good as Stupid Love! I'm sure they'd have been even better with the video and the TTH #1, maybe even above Stupid Love! The problem came in the form of the immediate collapse down the charts and the weaker than anticipated recoveries on days that should've been strong (both the first Monday and then the video/Halloween). We'll have to see what the numbers look like over the next few days, but I wouldn't have my hopes set too high if I were you!

 

All that's to say, it's far too early for anyone to be making comments about "stability" either way, when the song is less than a week old 

 

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And for the record, I went to ATRL jail because there's a particular Modga who can't take a joke to save their life, but that's neither here nor there and I'm well acquainted with their methods of rule enforcement 

The irony when you call it a bomb when it likely won't be. A TTH #1 is just a way of exposure. But the song isn't performing like a bomb either. It rose up and has been stable for two days. And I can guarantee you that Spotify wouldn't allow to put a flop or bomb atop that playlist after they've seen the streams in the first week. It has never happened ever and will never happen. It's a beyond stupid excuse because why didn't Katy's WW go #1 on TTH? Or many many other bombs that were from major labels. Fact is, blaming this on payola is a way to cope for haters but if it were only money a lot of bombs would've taken the top spot days after premiering. The only bombs that took that spot took it before Spotify even knew how it was gonna perform. They are doing this in week two after seeing Disease's numbers so they must see some stability or good numbers. It's still a company with billions and they wouldn't risk their brand's reputation by putting songs the public said NO to on the face of the app. Some critical thinking skills is much needed. 

[Doctor Dick]

2 minutes ago, BrokenMachine said:

Small Talk was released FIVE years ago. Spotify subscribers have duplicated since then, so it's fair to say Disease is on par 

 

Nope. And here's why:

 

Small Talk: #27 peak

Disease: #12 peak

 

And Spotify didn't just explode like 100% since 2020  You're doing too much now. 

[Charmed Life]

3 hours ago, Marioland said:

When was the last top 10 in the uk for the multitalented magnificent cottoncandy "singer" who sang the magestic song "you're so gay"?

Just did some digging, and it was "Feels" (2017) #1

https://www.officialcharts.com/songs/harrispharrellperrybig-sean-feels/

 

If we're talking solo, then it's "Chained to the Rhythm" (2017) #5

https://www.officialcharts.com/songs/katy-perry-ft-skip-marley-chained-to-the-rhythm/

 

[wastedpotential]

Let me unpack a few sentences here because this is just a laugh

 

22 minutes ago, Doctor Dick said:

A TTH #1 is just a way of exposure.

We have no idea what this will look like in one week, or two, or four, or twelve. A song "stabilizing" (and I use that very loosely) in the mid 2's range IN THE FIRST WEEK is not a good sign that it'll still be with us after the Christmas freeze. 

 

22 minutes ago, Doctor Dick said:

But the song isn't performing like a bomb either. It rose up and has been stable for two days.

Despite already being a middling debut, not terrible, but not exceptional, Disease is already, by day 6, sitting under 60% of its debut. Unless something changes with the autoplay arrangements, that number will continue to slide in the wrong direction. It's not as drastic of a bomb as Woman's World was, but considering that Lady GaGa is coming off of a gigantic smash hit, I think everyone expected both a better debut and a better hold, hence, for the expectations, this was a bomb. Also, arguing "stability" over the span of TWO DAYS is a futile exercise and is deeply unserious sis, please don't throw that word around like it has no meaning 

 

22 minutes ago, Doctor Dick said:

And I can guarantee you that Spotify wouldn't allow to put a flop or bomb atop that playlist after they've seen the streams in the first week. It has never happened ever and will never happen. It's a beyond stupid excuse because why didn't Katy's WW go #1 on TTH?

I'm not going to bother to dig for an example for your sake, but TTH placements are solely dictated by whichever record label is most willing to donate the most to Spotify in any given week. If Capitol decided to write them a fancy check, they'd have put Woman's World on top, but Capitol didn't allocate much of a budget to the 143 era so that couldn't happen. Given 

how Disease is performing, I anticipate the LG8 budget being inline with 143's, and I'd be surprised to see GaGa's next lead single receive such a high playlist placement. 

 

22 minutes ago, Doctor Dick said:

Fact is, blaming this on payola is a way to cope for haters but if it were only money a lot of bombs would've taken the top spot days after premiering. The only bombs that took that spot took it before Spotify even knew how it was gonna perform. 

No, there is no hard and fast rule about bombs not being allowed on TTH. It's just that most labels don't try to salvage songs that bomb as hard as Disease. 

 

22 minutes ago, Doctor Dick said:

They are doing this in week two after seeing Disease's numbers so they must see some stability or good numbers.

 

Give it up deelishis. What stability? What good numbers? Are there Spotify Chromatica figures that I haven't seen that look promising? 

 

22 minutes ago, Doctor Dick said:

It's still a company with billions and they wouldn't risk their brand's reputation by putting songs the public said NO to on the face of the app.

Isn't it a widely accepted fact that the relevance of playlisting slots has declined over the years and that, despite an increase in followers, the number of streams derived from TTH are continuing to decrease? I think everyone agrees that Disease will derive little, if any, benefit from its placement atop TTH. Therefore, I can promise you with a high degree of certainty that absolutely no one outside of the stan world gives a single flying **** about what song is #1 on TTH and what the cover is. Spotify's PR team does not give a rat's ass about the potential ramifications of a flop being on the front of TTH, they're just happy to cash the check from Interscope. 

 

 

Edited November 1 by wastedpotential

[PerfectCure]

1 hour ago, Jon Snow said:

Have you entered any of Beyoncé's threads and seen Liddos there? BREAK MY SOUL Spotify thread was so messy that they had to ban mentioning Gaga and Stupid Flop. Liddos are always there to drag Beyoncé. Most of Hive actually love Gaga, but this is just payback for ten years of Liddo attacks 

"Liddo attacks" let go at this point dude 

[Doctor Dick]

7 minutes ago, wastedpotential said:

Isn't it a widely accepted fact that the relevance of playlisting slots has declined over the years and that, despite an increase in followers, the number of streams derived from TTH are continuing to decrease? I think everyone agrees that Disease will derive little, if any, benefit from its placement atop TTH. Therefore, I can promise you with a high degree of certainty that absolutely no one outside of the stan world gives a single flying **** about what song is #1 on TTH and what the cover is. Spotify's PR team does not give a rat's ass about the potential ramifications of a flop being on the front of TTH, they're just happy to cash the check from Interscope. 

That... is just wrong. By your logic, we'd have Paris Hilton atop the playlist if it was so easy to buy. And Capitol put a lot of money into the three videos and the whole campaign and you think they wouldn't use a little more on TTH? Again, this is just you coping and no amount of things you try to spew will come out even remotely serious, especially now after you've been to ATRL jail FOR A REASON, might I add.

 

Just stick to your own fave from now on and leave the Disease convo to her own fans. 

Edited November 1 by Doctor Dick

[wastedpotential]

Just now, Doctor Dick said:

That... is just wrong. By your logic, we'd have Paris Hilton atop the playlist if it was so easy to buy. And Capitol put a lot of money into the three videos and the whole campaign and you think they wouldn't use a little more on TTH? Again, this is just you coping and no amount of things you try to spew will come out even remotely serious, especially now after you've been in ATRL jail FOR A REASON might I add.

 

Just stick to your own fave from now on and leave the Disease convo to her own fans. 

 

Lets just wait to see where Disease is (on TTH, and on the charts writ large) in a week or two 

[BrokenMachine]

The catfight in here. You don't need an hotel room ?

[Beamon]

2 hours ago, Femininomenon said:

There can be 112.3 million of monthly listeners but only 2.6M will stream your song 

well Godga has a wide catalog that people actually stream. Not everybody has that 
 
the range  the relevance  the versality  the impact 
 

[Starshine]

5 hours ago, katykater said:

 

the dead cat bounce omg 

 

the graphs this thread needs to be memorialized

 

 

[Femininomenon]

US Apple Music

 

147 (-5) Disease 

 

Looks like the Halloween songs are on their way out

 

 

 

 

 

Edited November 1 by Femininomenon

[ithinkheknowsoutsold]

I decided to take a sabbatical from this thread because I was told Gaga was smashing again but I checked the Global Charts today and she's only number 41? On Halloween with a supposed Halloween song? While she's number one on TTH? The Monsters are getting so cocky over this?