Lady Claire Posted October 10 Posted October 10 This is such a dumb take. Gaga doesn't care for what people want, she just does what she wants. Most of her fanbase support her for her pop stuff and not her side jazz projects. C2C was better supported bc of the surprise factor, now she's on her 3rd project from that genre and clearly it's not people's cup of tea. Obviously they would underperform. Joanne and Chromatica were Grammy winning, fairly successful eras with the latter getting a #1 and a sold out stadium tour. She's not a teen idol with a cult-like fanbase, she grew and her fans too. She doesn't have anything else to prove at this point. 13 Grammys (with more to come), an Oscar, a huge catalogue of hits, respected by the entire industry and a reference for newcomers. What else she needs? Lol 3 2
velocity Posted October 10 Posted October 10 because love for an artist doesn't magically make you love something that deviates from their normal output. jazz is not exactly a popular genre among pop listeners. i was interested in HQ as a concept but when i played the first song and realized it's jazz i shut that off quick. same with movies. loving her pop music doesn't make anyone want to watch a movie that doesn't peak their interest. 4
RatGod Posted October 10 Posted October 10 I'd be interested to see any other artist try and pull numbers with side projects so drastically different to their main discography and so far outside what is popular. I think maybe only Taylor or Beyonce could do numbers doing something so drastically different, Taylor because swifties will buy anything she puts out, and Beyonce because her voice alone is enough to sell albums. C2C got decent sales numbers because of the novelty of Gaga going from ARTPOP to a jazz collab album with the legendary Tony Bennett, but once liddos caught on with love for sale and HQ, they turned it off. Idk this narrative is tired. Gaga couldn't care less anymore about charts or sales. The woman is practically a billionaire (2 consecutive jazz albums and her abandoning her last pop album after a week attests to this). It's clear she is just doing her own thing at this point. 3
Daglazzo Posted October 10 Posted October 10 Even if you stan someone like I do stan her, it doesn't mean you're gonna stream her music when you don't feel it. Very few monsters enjoy jazz music. I don't, I listened to harlequin in full once, then just few songs from time to time. What I love is pop music, especially with some dark vibes, just like lg7 seems to be. I loved chromatica as well with all of my heart. She also seems to know the reality, hence she's releasing lg7 single this week right after harlequin. 2
Europe Posted October 10 Posted October 10 I always feel that she is wasting her time and talent when she does these jazz residencies. She is immensely talented and she is creating the best kind of music a human can make (dark-dance-pop music) which to me is the height of artistic achievement in music and the best kind of music that exists. And then instead of sticking to that, which she is so good at and really no one else does except Ava Max sometimes (we love you Dancing's Done & Belladonna!), she spends her time singing these tacky super old tuneless garbage songs. It is honestly very sad. 2
єѕℓαм Posted October 10 Posted October 10 I don't know abt others but i've already seen JFAD twice and bought all of her releases (and i actually love her side projects) 1
Cyanide Posted October 10 Posted October 10 Jazz music is probably the LEAST popular genre among pop fans 2
Worm Posted October 10 Posted October 10 I think her side projects are too far removed from her main albums and there's just very limited crossover appeal with her core fanbase, who enjoy edm-leaning pop/dance music. Realistically, if you were to pick a genre whose listeners might also welcome a jazz album, dance pop is not going to be anywhere near the first choice. Dawn of Chromatica is an interesting case because I think we're likely to see the same situation, but in reverse, with the brat remix album - Charli XCX's main output is already so close to weird and experimental remixes that it shouldn't be difficult for core fans to make the transition. (The big features will obviously help too, but I'm expecting some fairly substantial numbers) I think the main reason HQ has done quite as badly as it did is that aside from alienating core fans, her jazz albums also seem to be reviewed pretty unfavourably by critics who love jazz. As someone who doesn't enjoy jazz myself, I can only assume this sentiment is reflected in the general jazz-enjoying audience, so aside from alienating her core fanbase Gaga's jazz projects have crucially failed to entice any new genre listeners and establish a new fanbase for that kind of work. Whilst they might have enjoyed Tony Bennet's joint projects with her, without him any interest in her jazz albums seems to have dried up, and the abysmal first week numbers reflect this. 2
Smarticle Posted October 10 Posted October 10 We have the OGHs supporting and following her projects instead
Doctor Dick Posted October 10 Posted October 10 (edited) Beyoncé's side-projects have all been very urban. So even if she did a genre like Afrobeats, it's still in the same ball park as her usual stuff. There's quite a big difference when your core audience is into pop and dance pop and you do a jazz record. And as covers. I would've been more inclined to stream it more had it been original songs. But even then it's still not captivating enough to last. It's like selling bread to someone who's thirsty. And Harlequin was released as part of Gaga's own label, not solely by Interscope which shows you even they are not on board that much to finance these jazz-projects. She needs to please her fans with her next album or a large chunk will just be leaving. I think what has been very smart post-ARTPOP has turned into something quite hard to market years later. She's basically scored fans in totally different genres and has a hard time uniting them on a project. Those who want danceGa won't want JazzGa, those who love Adult ContemporaryGa won't want danceGa and so on. But her core ones love her for dance pop so she should do that. Edited October 10 by Doctor Dick 1
freshoutthebuffet Posted October 10 Posted October 10 Admittedly the last Gaga album I bought was ARTPOP. Hated Joanne, didn't care for Cheek to Cheek or Love for Sale. Chromatica was fine but not good enough for me to purchase but I have no qualms streaming here and there. Same goes for the Star Is Born soundtrack. I did buy a ticket for the movie and rented it when it was on Apple TV. I liked it. Haven't seen House of Goochi or Joker 2 yet (I will be seeing Joker since I liked the first). And I haven't listened to Harlequin or the Joker soundtrack yet either. It doesn't interest me. I make it a point to not put money into things my faves do that I don't enjoy to deter them from ever doing f*ck **** like that again
JoeAg Posted October 10 Posted October 10 4 hours ago, loveisdead9582 said: I am not here for a bunch of jazz covers that I myself played for years while I was playing music. no literally THIS I was in jazz band from 6th grade until I graduated high school, and I went to jazz camp what like… 3 or 4 summers in a row. as a bassist, I was expected to know how to play jazz just as well as classical and lowkey it was not always fun! I'm a classical musician at my core, with songwriting and singing also being my biggest passions on earth (though I obviously love playing bass too) but when I was in jazz band I really wanted to sing more than I wanted to just play bass and we played at least 8 of these songs throughout my time in jazz ensembles. girl like… these are standards, that's obvious. her voice sounds great on them, that's obvious. but those of us who have played and rehearsed and listened to different versions of these songs hundreds of times aren't necessarily here to have new versions of them from her at this point in our lives. we're here for new Gaga music, and while we're happy she's happy with rediscovering her musical passion, we're gonna show the most OBVIOUS commercial support with ACTUAL new music 3
modeblock Posted October 11 Posted October 11 I am a gag stan (not a liddo), but that doesn't mean I'm gonna strihm her dog shiit boomer'd TRASH... I heard and enjoyed Happy Mistake, saw the Jimmy KImmmel performance and that's the end of my support for that bomb. I'm going to pretend it never happened when LG7 lead drops. 1
XDNA Posted October 11 Posted October 11 we're tired of jazz. Imagine if Beyonce made 4 country albums 1 1
Pop Fan Posted October 11 Posted October 11 I have a bad feeling about LG7. I think that it's not going to do well commercially. 2008-2012 era is over. Gaga is not who she used to be. The gp, especially Gen Z and teenagers won't be tuning in. they just don't care about her or her music and that's the reality. I see LG7 doing Joanne numbers and getting like a 78 on Metacritic.
Europe Posted October 11 Posted October 11 On 10/10/2024 at 9:14 PM, Worm said: I think the main reason HQ has done quite as badly as it did is that aside from alienating core fans, her jazz albums also seem to be reviewed pretty unfavourably by critics who love jazz. As someone who doesn't enjoy jazz myself, I can only assume this sentiment is reflected in the general jazz-enjoying audience, so aside from alienating her core fanbase Gaga's jazz projects have crucially failed to entice any new genre listeners and establish a new fanbase for that kind of work. Whilst they might have enjoyed Tony Bennet's joint projects with her, without him any interest in her jazz albums seems to have dried up, and the abysmal first week numbers reflect this. This is true and was discussed sometimes, C2C and L4S had very cold reception amongst jazz lovers. They are just not good. 1
Polgg48 Posted October 11 Posted October 11 cosplay jazz or non-pop staffs is getting tired, not interesting at all
Acuminatus Posted October 11 Posted October 11 It's a shame Happy Mistake and the few original songs were paid dust on Harlequin, though I did quickly drop the rest of the EP as I'm not a big fan of showtunes and cover songs. Perched for LG7 though - it's going to be full of original music!0 If her fans ignore LG7 and only stream DWAS then it would be a problem.
DiabeticGrandpa Posted October 11 Posted October 11 Everyone saying LG7 is coming when LG7 is literally Harleyquinn. You should say LG8 1
cat1867 Posted October 11 Posted October 11 (edited) Monsters will support Lady Gaga but not Stefani Germanotta's music. More seriously, stans are fans of an artist due to some common throughline of their work whether its sound, narrative, songwriting. I wouldn't support Taylor if she did jazz covers as that was never what drew me to her in the first place. Her jazz covers aren't what drew little monsters to Gaga. It was her smash dance songs and larger than life pop persona. Edited October 11 by cat1867
ericcartman Posted October 12 Author Posted October 12 On 10/10/2024 at 1:43 PM, Kimi said: It's not just the jazz though. That chromatica remix is right up their alley, and happy mistake is a lovely pop ballad
Starfish Posted October 12 Posted October 12 Everyone who pays attention knows she doesn't care about music anymore. She does it because she has to not because she wants to. Why bother supporting her when the passion is gone.
Funnyfatty Posted October 12 Posted October 12 I listened to Judas, HML and Replay this week more than i did to anything on Harlehoe. I'm not going to stream music i don't like for a pop bich that is already a millionaire. If she doesn't care about what i want i dont care what she does. i want pop music only nothing else.
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