ericcartman Posted October 10 Posted October 10 Gaga has had her fare of side projects such as the jazz stuff, Harlequin, and that chromatica remix album. All flopped. Even Joanne and chromatica were arguable underperformance. Obviously the GP won't care for it, but it seems like the fans don't either and the numbers reflect that. I know it's jazz or whatever, but I still think a lady Gaga album debuting at 25K is mind boggling. Could the fans not even stream Happy Mistake which is a pop ballad not unlike ASIB? Just looking at Beyonce as an example who put out a country ish album, yes it flopped but the fans atleast came out and streamed it first week and then moved on hence the 400k + debut. 6 4 14
WokeEqualist Posted October 10 Posted October 10 Beyoncé's fanbase is way bigger and more solid than Gaga's. Gaga has disappointed her fans countless times which has caused more and more people to jump ship every time she does it 3 5
Popular Post SweetOreosOfHeaven Posted October 10 Popular Post Posted October 10 (edited) 8 minutes ago, ericcartman said: Gaga has had her fare of side projects such as the jazz stuff, Harlequin, and that chromatica remix album. All flopped. Even Joanne and chromatica were arguable underperformance. Obviously the GP won't care for it, but it seems like the fans don't either and the numbers reflect that. I know it's jazz or whatever, but I still think a lady Gaga album debuting at 25K is mind boggling. Could the fans not even stream Happy Mistake which is a pop ballad not unlike ASIB? Just looking at Beyonce as an example who put out a country ish album, yes it flopped but the fans atleast came out and streamed it first week and then moved on hence the 400k + debut. Everything is Love and The Gift which were both side projects with a lot more commercial and original music bombed to oblivion. Gaga's fans follow her for pop music and are understandably tired of her doing anything BUT that. Of course as an artist it's her prerogative but her fans don't have to blindly support everything she puts out. I understand your point about Happy Mistake but being buried under jazz covers is a huge hindrance. I for one am enjoying Harlequin a ton as most people who gave it a chance are. Her casual fans will be back once she puts out pop music. Edited October 10 by SweetOreosOfHeaven 20 7
Trash Posted October 10 Posted October 10 I see the point but I also agree with the post above, not blindly supporting your faves will let them know they don't want that stuff from them. That being said, Gaga seems stubborn enough to keep doing what she pleases despite the fan reaction 3
loveisdead9582 Posted October 10 Posted October 10 Most of us will at least give the projects a stream or two. I am not here for a bunch of jazz covers that I myself played for years while I was playing music. It's great that she has a creative outlet aside from pop music but it's not what I want to listen to. I still will usually play it and just mute the volume so I can honestly say I've given the album some streams. Chromatica stays in my played music because I actually enjoyed the album. It's easily her most cohesive since TFM and I enjoy many of the tracks. The Chromatica remix album was… a choice on some tracks. I still streamed it but I don't revisit it for the same reason I don't revisit the other remix albums - the remixes just don't compare to the originals or offer something different. I've listened to the Harlequin album and while it's good, we are still going back to - this isn't why I got into her in the first place - territory. It doesn't seem like the GP is really here for these either so idk why she keeps putting out music that may get a little buzz during Grammy/Oscar season but doesn't do well in most other metrics. I'll still support Gaga in her endeavors but outside of her pop music I'm just not that interested. 2 2
Dula Peep Posted October 10 Posted October 10 10 minutes ago, WokeEqualist said: Beyoncé's fanbase is way bigger and more solid than Gaga's. Gaga has disappointed her fans countless times which has caused more and more people to jump ship every time she does it the Nurtec ads, Oreos, Watches, makeup...really just the entire ChromADtica era almost took me out, but im still here standing. (but barely) 1 2
Mikeymoonshine Posted October 10 Posted October 10 (edited) Yeah as someone else said Beyonce has had flop side projects. Also if you look at Gsga's jazz albums the fandom supported C2C but not LFS or HQ nearly as much. I think 3 jazz covers albums is maybe a bit much for a pop music fandon to support. I personally didn't even bother with LFS cos I didn't think it (or C2C) was that good. HQ is imo much better than those albums so I have bought it and have been streaming it. I like that type of music though when done well, a lot of the fandom doesn't. Also fandoms can't keep singles afloat for long. Even Taylor's massive fandom can't do that. They can give it an early boost and help it chart higher but that's it. Happy Mistakes wasn't released as a single. A single actually has to be a hit with the GP to be a big hit and nobody knew about Happy Mistakes, she didn't even announce what songs would be original properly. She mentioned it in some interviews and it got some playlisting but that was it. Edited October 10 by Mikeymoonshine
sunbathinganimal Posted October 10 Posted October 10 (edited) 16 minutes ago, WokeEqualist said: Beyoncé's fanbase is way bigger and more solid than Gaga's. Gaga has disappointed her fans countless times which has caused more and more people to jump ship every time she does it honestly spill, a third covers album was really disappointing and I'm not surprised at all it flopped Edited October 10 by sunbathinganimal 2
Jay07 Posted October 10 Posted October 10 (edited) I don't think the core fanbase is enough to sustain a popstar career, especially for veterans, the projects need to cross over and I don't think many were here for a second soundtrack from a flop movie. As mentioned, Beyonce's side projects also flopped. Edited October 10 by Jay07 4 2
shyboi Posted October 10 Posted October 10 I think they do support her, but there's very few of them 1
Punky Rooster Posted October 10 Posted October 10 Her current fans support her, it's just that retirees and the elderly only have limited income and don't generally buy music, and don't know how to stream her solo stuff.
bielneira Posted October 10 Posted October 10 Let's be honest, Gaga's recent successful projects ("Die With a Smile" and 'A Star Is Born') were both crried by the general public, not her fanbase. It's not what they like or want. 2
Archetype Posted October 10 Posted October 10 (edited) Liddos are tired of her jazz covers albums, but Gaga doesn't care. She's making them for herself at this point, but it's not our responsibility to prop them up with forced streams or sales. It's possible a lot of fans stopped paying attention to her during the letdown that was the paid sponsorship / Chromatica era too, an album that she admitted she didn't even want to record despite the music being good. Edited October 10 by Archetype 5 1
Mittens Posted October 10 Posted October 10 I feel like one of the few fans that actually enjoys Harlequin. I've been streaming it non stop since it released. Close to You, Happy Mistake and World on a String are top tier for me. I can see these being in my playlist for a long time. The jazzier tracks are fun and fresh for now, but I'll have to be in the right mood to revisit them once the newness wears off. With all that said, did I buy the album yet? No Why buy digital when I'm using Spotify? Why buy physical when I don't own a turntable or CD player? Does stanning mean I have to buy something I'm not going to use? 2
Reginald Posted October 10 Posted October 10 As a day-1 Gaga fan, I have said many times that I wish she wouldn't pursue a jack-of-all-trades career path. She wants acclaim in every industry, which she definitely has the talent to achieve, but it leaves her fanbase very scattered. You can't please everyone. 5
Dante Posted October 10 Posted October 10 i dont think it was beyonces fanbase resulting those numbers
PrettyHurts Posted October 10 Posted October 10 GaGa's fanbase is smaller. Hence Beyoncé outselling her with studio albums since 2013. 1 1
Jay07 Posted October 10 Posted October 10 1 minute ago, PrettyHurts said: GaGa's fanbase is smaller. Hence Beyoncé outselling her with studio albums since 2013. To be fair, Beyonce has kept her base fed in the past decade even if the lack of visuals is annoying lately. If you're not into jazz or movies, Gaga only put out Joanne and Chromatica in the past decade, the former wasn't received very well by fans and the latter was abandoned by her after a week. I can see why many fans dropped off. 11
Kimi Posted October 10 Posted October 10 cause liddos DONT want jazz music, especially not TWO jazz albums in a row. it's really not that deep and not difficult to understand. the fanbase is beyond fed up with that sound and no one is supporting it. you can't compare that to any other pop girl since no other pop girl makes cover jazz albums, even something like the gift was original songs. your masked hatred is not masked well. 13 1
Kimi Posted October 10 Posted October 10 40 minutes ago, bielneira said: Let's be honest, Gaga's recent successful projects ("Die With a Smile" and 'A Star Is Born') were both crried by the general public, not her fanbase. It's not what they like or want. every, EVERY successful project is carried by GP. you people really have such a strange view on pop music. 2
bielneira Posted October 10 Posted October 10 2 minutes ago, Kimi said: every, EVERY successful project is carried by GP. you people really have such a strange view on pop music. I don't think Taylor's or K-pop artists' are carried by the general public. They just have a massive fanbase that will buy anything and everything they put out. 1 1 1
Kimi Posted October 10 Posted October 10 Just now, bielneira said: I don't think Taylor's or K-pop artists' are carried by the general public. They just have a massive fanbase that will buy anything and everything they put out. taylor is absolutely carried by gp what are you talking about. yes she has the biggest fanbase but it's absolutely gp. this point is actually used by the stupidest OTHs trying to diminish her success. k pop is just kids obsession, and kids products are know to sell like that, kids get crazy. how can you compare that to an artist that makes music for grown people.
Edonis Posted October 10 Posted October 10 (edited) 14 minutes ago, bielneira said: I don't think Taylor's or K-pop artists' are carried by the general public. They just have a massive fanbase that will buy anything and everything they put out. when taylor has a legitimate hit, it is also carried by the GP. Fans alone do not carry actual smashes, you need crossover appeal to the GP. That's not even close to being a controversial or divisive take. no comment on kpop though. I've followed east asian music long enough to recognize certain trends among the fanbases for most of the modern acts. very little of it actually crosses over into the GP's radar in the west. Edited October 10 by Edonis 3
bielneira Posted October 10 Posted October 10 7 minutes ago, Kimi said: taylor is absolutely carried by gp what are you talking about. yes she has the biggest fanbase but it's absolutely gp. this point is actually used by the stupidest OTHs trying to diminish her success. k pop is just kids obsession, and kids products are know to sell like that, kids get crazy. how can you compare that to an artist that makes music for grown people. Well, I guess we just have different visions about it
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