$ebert Posted October 7 Posted October 7 18 minutes ago, halcyonday said: Chained to the Rhythm and Feels are both bigger. You know you're lying I think Gaga's talent saved her, Katy can't relate. 4 1 1
halcyonday Posted October 7 Posted October 7 Just now, $ebert said: You know you're lying I think Gaga's talent saved her, Katy can't relate. I'm "lying* cuz you're a hater? Million Reasons was top 10 in 4 countries. CTTR was top 10 in 25+ countries. Feels was top 10 in 30+ countries. Both CTTR and Feels have way better sales across the globe than Million Reasons. YouTube: Chained to the Rhythm > Feels > Million Reasons Spotify: Feels > Million Reasons > Chained to the Rhythm You got something to add? 3
KatyPrismSpirit Posted October 7 Posted October 7 I think so tbh. Because Gaga was completely forgotten about in 2014, 2015 and 2016. I literally forgot she existed in these years. Then the Superbowl came and ASIB followed. Both of these helped her career and elevated her again. It gave her career some legs again. Katy didn't have a boost like this (yet) post Witness. But time will tell. Die with a Smile is really doing well but will it translate into success for LG7? Cause Chromatica was a success because of the goodwill she had from ASIB and the Ariana feature (just keeping it real). Now with the negative reception to Joker and Harlequin missing the top 10, there might not be similar goodwill this time. 1 3
unison stan Posted October 7 Posted October 7 38 minutes ago, Almighty Gaga said: Before Shallow, there was Million Reasons, which outsold and outstreamed every Katy single since 2014. even surprise coachella song "the cure" outpeaked any katy song since cttr (minus NRO and feels)
Doctor Dick Posted October 7 Posted October 7 Joanne sold more than Witness even before the Super Bowl. Gaga has never had a Witness. I think Gaga would've somehow come back from the floppage even without Shallow. She has the fanbase and the talent. Katy's can't have a Shallow because she has a miniscule fanbase and the GP is completely over her.
$ebert Posted October 7 Posted October 7 (edited) 1 hour ago, halcyonday said: I'm "lying* cuz you're a hater? Million Reasons was top 10 in 4 countries. CTTR was top 10 in 25+ countries. Feels was top 10 in 30+ countries. Both CTTR and Feels have way better sales across the globe than Million Reasons. YouTube: Chained to the Rhythm > Feels > Million Reasons Spotify: Feels > Million Reasons > Chained to the Rhythm You got something to add? Yes, I'd add that you have a lot of free time you should invest that in finding a job You're right they were bigger, not as big as Shallow or DWAS tho, hopefully Katy can get a hit with her new album and the heavy promo. Shallow solidified Gaga as an amazing and talented singer, also gave her first Oscars Talent always win. Anyways, #ThanksCalvinHarris #ThanksPharrell #ThanksSkipMarley Edited October 7 by $ebert 7
єѕℓαм Posted October 7 Posted October 7 2 hours ago, sunbathinganimal said: her talent saved her from a Katy like decline yes Period
RatGod Posted October 7 Posted October 7 Interesting that you're framing this as if she needed any of this. Gaga has already had a career many artists would kill for and that's before Shallow or ASIB. She has more awards than most artists will ever hope to achieve, and is sitting on a nice chunk of change with a big ole rock on her finger and a fiance who isn't jealous of her. She has nothing left to prove, she can just have fun with making her art, and maybe try and go for EGOT if she gets bored. Anyways as people have pointed out, talent always wins. 1
halcyonday Posted October 7 Posted October 7 1 hour ago, $ebert said: Yes, I'd add that you have a lot of free time you should invest that in finding a job You're right they were bigger, not as big as Shallow or DWAS tho, hopefully Katy can get a hit with her new album and the heavy promo. Shallow solidified Gaga as an amazing and talented singer, also gave her first Oscars Talent always win. Anyways, #ThanksCalvinHarris #ThanksPharrell #ThanksSkipMarley I already have a job. You should find one too cuz I can find you in every Katy related thread. 1
Fromi Posted October 7 Posted October 7 1 minute ago, halcyonday said: I already have a job. You should find one too cuz I can find you in every Katy related thread. Regardless, GaGa was never going to experience a Katy-like decline because she had talent and industry respect in a way katy never did. The opportunities she's had (oscars performances, grammy tributes, ASIB) have come more from the industry than her popularity or marketability. It's the reason that even her more commercially successful peers haven't been able to attach themselves to true prestige work in the way she has. Even once her commercial career is over the industry respect she has will prevent her from the embarrassment of a 143-level flop, at least at a reputation level. 2 1
halcyonday Posted October 7 Posted October 7 2 minutes ago, Fromi said: Regardless, GaGa was never going to experience a Katy-like decline because she had talent and industry respect in a way katy never did. The opportunities she's had (oscars performances, grammy tributes, ASIB) have come more from the industry than her popularity or marketability. It's the reason that even her more commercially successful peers haven't been able to attach themselves to true prestige work in the way she has. Even once her commercial career is over the industry respect she has will prevent her from the embarrassment of a 143-level flop, at least at a reputation level. Go away and quote everyone who has more than me i can assure you no one did these comments in a few months
James_Joint Posted October 8 Posted October 8 (edited) In a way, I think so. I mean they were both declining as pop stars and needed something to fall back on, but Gaga venturing into acting was a much better move in the long run than Katy doing American idol. Edited October 8 by James_Joint
Xtina23 Posted October 8 Posted October 8 3 hours ago, RussianRoulette said: First it was Bradley, then Ariana and now Bruno. But I have a feeling I'm forgetting someone. I pity GaGa's assistant so many birthday cards and thank you notes to send all year 2
Slap Posted October 8 Posted October 8 Honestly I think they're on the same level in terms of potential to succeed and Gaga still had a number one with Chromatica so she's doing great. Katy could also be doing better if she had picked a better collaborator, idk maybe Bruno Mars, instead of working with a known rapist. When you do clownery…
babyforlife Posted October 8 Posted October 8 gaslighting gaga's success wont make katy less flop btw.. thank god the whole world left katy in 2014, unlike some of her 15 stans here that still stuck in 2014
Rotunda Posted October 8 Posted October 8 (edited) 5 hours ago, mrpartyrocker said: Oh come on, don't be a fool!! When did anyone think Gaga was talentless? Yes, the sound of music brought her more respect because it was the first time she took a step back from outrageous performances, but I doubt anyone thought she couldn't sing pre artpop. Middle-aged people definitely treated her like she was just a gimmicky/talentless popstar until her pivot. She was prejudged and stereotyped for years. Some people can't see (or hear) past the aesthetics. Miley also experienced something similar before her rebrand. Edited October 8 by Rotunda
Pop Art Posted October 8 Posted October 8 6 hours ago, halcyonday said: Chained to the Rhythm and Feels are both bigger. Million Reasons is bigger than any song Katy Perry has released as a lead artist since 2013. Spotify Streams Million Reasons: 885M = = = BARRIER = = = Never Really Over: 703M Chained To the Rhythm: 585M Harleys In Hawaii: 551M Swish Swish: 424M Bon Appetit: 298M When I'm Gone: 290M This Is How We Do: 276M 365: 249M Birthday: 224M Daisies: 222M Con Calma Remix: 177M Rise: 172M Smile: 126M Small Talk: 125M Cozy Little Christmas: 115M Woman's World: 40M Lifetimes: 27M I'm His, He's Mine: 12M 3 3
yonsé Posted October 8 Posted October 8 6 hours ago, Daglazzo said: Girl ok cause i thought i was trippin when i read that 2
yonsé Posted October 8 Posted October 8 6 hours ago, Josh said: Did people not think that Gaga was talentless pre-ARTPOP? The Sound of Music performance was the first time the GP ever knew she could actually sing without gimmics no. gaga can sing live and play an instrument, something she did from the jump. she performed with elton john at her second grammys. lets not. 2 1
Smarticle Posted October 8 Posted October 8 Keep whacking that user TABS prevailed over long black hair!!111 and Dr. Luke 1
lustforyou Posted October 8 Posted October 8 Naysayers have been saying something/someone saved Gaga for a decade at this point. The Oscars performance saved her, the Super Bowl saved her, ASIB/Bradley/Shallow saved her, Rain on Me/Ariana saved her, Bruno saved her. At a certain point everyone needs to realize that these are not just things or collabs magically happening to her. It's her talent that makes her performances/projects successful + what makes respected and talented collaborators want to work with her. No one and nothing is "saving" Gaga; her career has stayed strong on her own merits 1 2
Pop Art Posted October 8 Posted October 8 4 minutes ago, lustforyou said: Naysayers have been saying something/someone saved Gaga for a decade at this point. The Oscars performance saved her, the Super Bowl saved her, ASIB/Bradley/Shallow saved her, Rain on Me/Ariana saved her, Bruno saved her. At a certain point everyone needs to realize that these are not just things or collabs magically happening to her. It's her talent that makes her performances/projects successful + what makes respected and talented collaborators want to work with her. No one and nothing is "saving" Gaga; her career has stayed strong on her own merits Exactly. I don't understand how so many OGH seem to run with the idea that she's just gotten "lucky" since 2017. Someone gets lucky once, maybe twice — there has to be a point where you look at the bigger picture and realize there's no way someone can get this lucky for this long. They've been saying so many things are "saving" her for so long that it objectively cannot be luck at this point. The common denominator to all these things is her, and that has to mean something at this point unless you have an agenda against her.
lg6chromatica Posted October 8 Posted October 8 (edited) 16 hours ago, RussianRoulette said: Million Reasons was flopping until it got performed at the Superbowl The Super Bowl doesn't guarantee an artist a hit. Countless new songs have been performed there by headliners and failed to receive the boost that Million Reasons received. Plus, the song endured. It still receives 200-300k streams a day, and that's more than some #1s from 2016-2018... Edited October 8 by lg6chromatica
momal Posted October 8 Posted October 8 Gaga has never flopped so hard with a studio album like Katy so no. Artpop is a mega success compared to Witness.
lg6chromatica Posted October 8 Posted October 8 16 hours ago, halcyonday said: I'm "lying* cuz you're a hater? Million Reasons was top 10 in 4 countries. CTTR was top 10 in 25+ countries. Feels was top 10 in 30+ countries. Both CTTR and Feels have way better sales across the globe than Million Reasons. YouTube: Chained to the Rhythm > Feels > Million Reasons Spotify: Feels > Million Reasons > Chained to the Rhythm You got something to add? Yes. Feels - thank you, Calvin! CTTR - Less streams than MR despite its colossal Spotify deal
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