base talk Did "Shallow" save Lady Gaga from a Katy like decline?

[naval23]

Both debuted around 2008 

 

Katy found her footing in the 2010s (Teenage Dream and Prism) which were bigger than BTW and Artpop

 

Joanne was her Witness and both were kind of on par with each other 

 

After Witness, Katy had a -80% decline to Smile while Gaga had her biggest peak since BTW with "A Star is Born"

 

Thoughts? 

[Daglazzo]

2 minutes ago, naval23 said:

 

 

Joanne was her Witness and both were kind of on par with each other 

 

 

Girl

[IBeMe]

There's no denying that A Star Is Born in general gave her career a MUCH needed boost. That said, I dont think she'd ever be in a Katy like situation. A big part of Katy's decline is ppl genuinely viewing her as talentless, something that Gaga never truly suffered from especially after her superbowl and oscar sound of music performance. 

[sunbathinganimal]

her talent saved her from a Katy like decline yes

[Sheep]

So close, it was actually her gigantic talent. Hope this helps. 

[Sheep]

Just now, sunbathinganimal said:

her talent saved her from a Katy like decline yes

 

1 minute ago, Sheep said:

So close, it was actually her gigantic talent. Hope this helps. 

[RussianRoulette]

First it was Bradley, then Ariana and now Bruno. But I have a feeling I'm forgetting someone.

I pity GaGa's assistant so many birthday cards and thank you notes to send all year

[Almighty Gaga]

Before Shallow, there was Million Reasons, which outsold and outstreamed every Katy single since 2014.

[naval23]

1 minute ago, Sheep said:

 

Dupe police informed 

[Alaska.]

Gaga would always save herself because she has a bigger fanbase and an artistic vision. Sure she has missteps along the way, but she isn't artistically dead & waiting for the day to work with RedOne again

[RussianRoulette]

2 minutes ago, Almighty Gaga said:

 Million Reasons, which outsold and outstreamed every Katy single since 2014.

Million Reasons was flopping until it got performed at the Superbowl

[TayDuaStan]

No, just delayed it 

[naval23]

6 minutes ago, Almighty Gaga said:

Before Shallow, there was Million Reasons, which outsold and outstreamed every Katy single since 2014.

Did It make the year end chart though? And 2 weeks in the top 20?

[halcyonday]

6 minutes ago, Almighty Gaga said:

Before Shallow, there was Million Reasons, which outsold and outstreamed every Katy single since 2014.

Chained to the Rhythm and Feels are both bigger. 

[Colmillo]

11 minutes ago, sunbathinganimal said:

her talent saved her from a Katy like decline yes

The way I came here to say the exact same thing 

[Grizzo]

6 minutes ago, RussianRoulette said:

Million Reasons was flopping until it got performed at the Superbowl

but if the song was awful it wouldn't matter

 

like the VMAs and Rock In Rio performances didn't help Katy score some hits even though she sang some songs from 143 there 

[Oktober Knight]

The superbowl really saved her. Then Bradley, Ariana, and Bruno kept her afloat. I wonder who the LG7 lead will feature?

[Josh]

19 minutes ago, IBeMe said:

There's no denying that A Star Is Born in general gave her career a MUCH needed boost. That said, I dont think she'd ever be in a Katy like situation. A big part of Katy's decline is ppl genuinely viewing her as talentless, something that Gaga never truly suffered from especially after her superbowl and oscar sound of music performance. 

Did people not think that Gaga was talentless pre-ARTPOP? The Sound of Music performance was the first time the GP ever knew she could actually sing without gimmics

[anastaciabby]

no she always had obvious talent, Katy didn't/doesn't 

[RussianRoulette]

3 minutes ago, Oktober Knight said:

The superbowl really saved her. Then Bradley, Ariana, and Bruno kept her afloat. I wonder who the LG7 lead will feature?

I predict The Weeknd  or BadBunny

[IBeMe]

2 minutes ago, Josh said:

Did people not think that Gaga was talentless pre-ARTPOP? The Sound of Music performance was the first time the GP ever knew she could actually sing without gimmics

that's what I'm saying. There was some doubt about her talent from the GP before (though even then ppl just thought she was crazy or pretentious which is still a better place to be in than to be viewed as talentless) and then when she did the sound of music and the superbowl it completely removed any doubt from the GP

[mrpartyrocker]

2 minutes ago, Josh said:

Did people not think that Gaga was talentless pre-ARTPOP? The Sound of Music performance was the first time the GP ever knew she could actually sing without gimmics

Oh come on, don't be a fool!! When did anyone think Gaga was talentless? Yes, the sound of music brought her more respect because it was the first time she took a step back from outrageous performances, but I doubt anyone thought she couldn't sing pre artpop. 

[Great808]

It's 2024 and the obsession with these 2 feels like we went back a decade. Joanne outsold Witness in this country alone than what Witness did WW. She was averaging millions a night during JWT and Katy not even a single million. Shallow was so big it was just overkill tho. She could have faded completely after that as far as new releases and that song alone would keep her afloat for years to come. 

[mrpartyrocker]

Shallow did not save her from a katy trajectory because Gaga can actually create music people can relate to so she was always going to recover from Artpop! She proved it with the oscars, with the superbowl, with tony, with a star is born and with chromatica ball! 

[Princess Aurora]

Well, Did Gaga ever have a decline though? She always ends up in Top 5 or #1 every time she releases a new single.