princedonte Posted October 9 Posted October 9 Madonna's provocativeness has scared mainstream audiences off. 2 1
PYT Posted October 9 Posted October 9 (edited) Believe was a fluke... A CLASSIC ICONIC BOP! Edited October 9 by PYT
LOTF Posted October 9 Posted October 9 On 10/7/2024 at 12:01 AM, Funnyfatty said: Do you really think that a woman like Madonna cares about chasing hits after being a legend? if cher didn't have believe, she wouldn't even be around today. Madonna will be the biggest topic of pop music whether she gets a hit today or not. Her songs are also getting viral moments so i'm not sure what this is all about. It's just that little monsters are TRAUMATIZED after JFAD flopped so they want to take it out on Thee Queen of Pop. They seem to forget Madonna is at a level no other woman has reached (only Taylor and Mariah come close. Neither Cher nor Gaga could compare) 6 1 3
nightowl Posted October 9 Posted October 9 Give me a break. Your cher had only one big hit in 50 years for her entire career. So just shut it 1 2 1
Dante Silva Posted October 10 Posted October 10 (edited) Madonna wasn't going for the commercial jugular vein with "Medellin" in the way Cher was with "Believe". When Cher experimented on her "Not.Commercial" album, Warners refused to release it and she had to sell it through her webstore. Todays market is very different but you'd have to have been living under a rock to not have realised by now (without a shred of music having yet been heard), that Madonna's next album is going to be her most commercial for 20 years. If Millennials and Gen Z can adopt "Padam" (in the way they did by Kylie) then perhaps they can also adopt Madonna's forthcoming return to circling for that commercial sweet spot. * I find "Popular" to be Meh, so I'm not even interested in citing that as an example of anything good. Edited October 10 by Dante Silva 1
Monsieurgedeon Posted October 10 Posted October 10 On 10/7/2024 at 8:23 AM, Monsieurgedeon said: Because Cher did what she wanted to do and it worked (a bit like Kylie and Padam). Madonna is a trend chaser that has nothing to bring music wise. Cool artist for some times tho (but not since Hard Candy let's be honest). she cater to no one and no one is really interested in her but the old white gays. Considering Popular like an even slightly comparable to Believe is really a reach your honor. I've got a warning for answering the question and stating that Madonna was once a cool artist ? Oh wow oh wow unbiased moderation team I see 1
MistressKay Posted October 10 Posted October 10 Believe was so revolutionary and groundbreaking for the time. No one used auto tune like that before. It was destined to smash. She did something no one mainstream ever did before. 1
Charmed Life Posted October 10 Posted October 10 1 hour ago, MistressKay said: Believe was so revolutionary and groundbreaking for the time. No one used auto tune like that before. It was destined to smash. She did something no one mainstream ever did before. What was "revolutionary" about it? Please don't say "the vocoder" because artists like Kraftwerk, Giorgio Moroder, Abba, Donna Summer, AND Madonna were using it long before Cher ever did. 1
MistressKay Posted October 11 Posted October 11 (edited) 1 hour ago, Charmed Life said: What was "revolutionary" about it? Please don't say "the vocoder" because artists like Kraftwerk, Giorgio Moroder, Abba, Donna Summer, AND Madonna were using it long before Cher ever did. No one MAINSTREAM used it like that before. Everyone penned it "the Cher" sound. Of course people like T pain later mastered it but it is not the same as a regular vocoder it was auto tune. You can literally google it. Cher was the first to use auto tune in a hit song like that. No one before ever did. Edited October 11 by MistressKay 1 1
808dream Posted October 11 Posted October 11 For how much I DO LOVE Madonna, medellin was just not it honestly. She's doing great anyway, the tour and Rio final show were massive.
fromily Posted October 12 Posted October 12 obvious bait thread aside, it's amazing to see two older women succeeding and continuing to flourish and be recognised for their talents well into their respective careers! also believe sans the autotune/obvious vocal processing is a shockingly mid song, the forever fan remaster really did it dirty
GoodGuyGoneGhetto Posted October 12 Posted October 12 (edited) On 10/7/2024 at 8:35 AM, LikeaRebel said: Believe was an anomaly. No other female artist has had a massive hit like that in their 50s. I agree. The female artist who came the closest to having a huge hit prior to Cher in her 50's was Tina Turner with "I Don't Wanna Fight" which peaked in the top ten in 10 countries including the U.S, U.K, GER, AUS and NZ. She also had other hits like "I Don't Wanna Lose You/Simply The Best" in her 50's, in the early 90's, which were massive hits in Europe and South America. Madonna's "4 Minutes" was big but more so on the level of the Turner songs as opposed to "Believe". Edited October 12 by GoodGuyGoneGhetto 1
Kahlo Posted October 12 Posted October 12 On 10/7/2024 at 8:23 AM, Monsieurgedeon said: Because Cher did what she wanted to do and it worked (a bit like Kylie and Padam). Madonna is a trend chaser that has nothing to bring music wise. Cool artist for some times tho (but not since Hard Candy let's be honest). she cater to no one and no one is really interested in her but the old white gays. Considering Popular like an even slightly comparable to Believe is really a reach your honor. The irony when Cher's out here cranking out ABBA covers for quick success with the old white gays. She knows her audience. On the contrary, albums like "Madame X" was highly experimental and obscure, especially for a pop artist, which is why it didn't connect with a mainstream audience. 2 2
Charmed Life Posted October 12 Posted October 12 7 hours ago, Kahlo said: The irony when Cher's out here cranking out ABBA covers for quick success with the old white gays. She knows her audience. On the contrary, albums like "Madame X" was highly experimental and obscure, especially for a pop artist, which is why it didn't connect with a mainstream audience. 1 1
Chris Posted October 13 Posted October 13 20 hours ago, Kahlo said: On the contrary, albums like "Madame X" was highly experimental and obscure, especially for a pop artist, which is why it didn't connect with a mainstream audience. 1 1
Migs Posted October 13 Posted October 13 (edited) I love Madonna, but her music has been **** after Confessions. Maybe that's why. L-U-V Madonna. Edited October 13 by Migs 1
loveisdead9582 Posted October 13 Posted October 13 Believe was kind of the perfect storm for Cher. She had been in the public eye after Sonny passed and she out out a song it's a sound that was fresh for her. While the coco trader and auto tune had been used before, it certainly hadn't been used for an entire upbeat dance song in that matriculate manor before. It helps that the song is both melodically and lyrically appealing as well. Madonna started in the industry later in her life so ageism and sexism definitely played a part (although to be fair, what male her age is releasing songs and having them end up on the hot 100?). Someone made the age comparison. When Madonna was 52, she did the Super Bowl which went over quite well for her. Honestly, if she released another quality album she could have some success with the right push. MDNA, Rebel Heart, and Madame X had some gems but they weren't quite up to par with some of her more successful previous work. The GP has shown that they are still here for Madonna in some aspects. The resurgence of Frozen, the collab with the Weekend, etc. I wish her the best and I hope we get something fantastic from her. 1
Cardcaptor Sakura Posted October 13 Posted October 13 I live in Japan and I only know one Cher's song while I know more Madonna's. 3
Youngbae Posted October 16 Posted October 16 On 10/7/2024 at 6:13 PM, FrederickGa said: And currently? Who among Madonna and Cher are more referenced? I know this post is old and all, but it's so hilariously dumb I had to reply. Dear @Human Fly, I mean @FrederickGa, care to provide any recent Cher reference? I give you Sabrina, one of the top3 popstars in the world right now, wearing the replica of Madonna's Oscars dress. Your move. 1 1
Enrique523 Posted October 17 Posted October 17 At least Madonna had hit singles and albums through the majority of her career unlike Cher so who cares really? 1 1
Enrique523 Posted October 17 Posted October 17 On 10/9/2024 at 1:36 PM, LOTF said: It's just that little monsters are TRAUMATIZED after JFAD flopped so they want to take it out on Thee Queen of Pop. They seem to forget Madonna is at a level no other woman has reached (only Taylor and Mariah come close. Neither Cher nor Gaga could compare) Most Gaga stans will forever be bitter when it comes to Madonna, they never got over this illusion of Gaga "replacing" Madonna 2 3
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