celeb news Luke B to Bey: If you're gonna make country albums, come into our world & be country

[TiaTamera]

6 hours ago, Raver said:

It's crazy how her fans think she deserves to be nominated just because she released a country album (that they don't even **** with). He is correct 

A white man trying to tell a Black woman how to be in a culture they stole, will never be correct.

[king_queen]

10 minutes ago, Lose My Breath said:

The whole comment is strange, like she isn't "allowed" to put out a country album. 

The way he was fumbling over his words bc he KNOWS his opinions on the matter come from a racist and entitled point of view. So ******* transparent.

Edited October 4 by king_queen

[blaggot]

spoken like a true colonizer

[Katamari]

He looks different

[homosexual_behaviour]

none of these country bros condemned morgan wallen when he used the n word (we all know why they didn't). did they really expect that a black woman will suddenly feel comfortable around them and become their friend?  

Edited October 4 by homosexual_behaviour

[Jay07]

I don't think Beyonce a. wants to make country music going forward and b. Is interested in the approval of the country establishment. Being rejected at the CMAs was the entire motivation behind making this album and she was right, she had a huge country hit and still wasn't accepted by country gatekeepers. But, she made her point, she got it out of her system and now she can move on to act iii. I don't think she was ever interested in rubbing shoulders with Luke Bryant.

Edited October 4 by Jay07

[Kristie Kuwa]

Not haters in this thread asking why we as a stanbase thought she should get a nomination when Texas Holdem ALONE was EASILY among the most prolific and successful Pop-Country Songs of the year. Its not a Pink situation where the country album made 0 noise

[truthteller]

no one needs to make country music in 2024. there i said it. enough is enough.

[QueenBLadyG]

He's right. The Country community Is well connected and personable, and they may be a problematic, but, that's how it is. She should've been prepared to travel to Nashville, perform and at least interact with them in some form or fashion. This whole dropping material and walking away from it and letting the cards fall as they may - is getting old as ****. She could've made this album an unforgettable moment in pop culture history and ended up winning AOTY if she navigated this better. 

[swissman]

47 minutes ago, QueenBLadyG said:

He's right. The Country community Is well connected and personable, and they may be a problematic, but, that's how it is. She should've been prepared to travel to Nashville, perform and at least interact with them in some form or fashion. This whole dropping material and walking away from it and letting the cards fall as they may - is getting old as ****. She could've made this album an unforgettable moment in pop culture history and ended up winning AOTY if she navigated this better. 

But considering she's not rebranding herself as a country artist, it's not as if she'd have any purpose to hang out in their community to pave the road of acceptance. She made the album in reaction to the lack of acceptance she did have when she did go rub shoulders with the industry, performing a the CMAs in Nashville, interacting with them in some form or fashion.

 

 

Edited October 4 by swissman

[Elementary]

This is not only racist but misogynist. Why didn't he say the same thing to Post Malone and Shaboozey?

[iHype.]

1 hour ago, QueenBLadyG said:

He's right. The Country community Is well connected and personable, and they may be a problematic, but, that's how it is. She should've been prepared to travel to Nashville, perform and at least interact with them in some form or fashion. This whole dropping material and walking away from it and letting the cards fall as they may - is getting old as ****. She could've made this album an unforgettable moment in pop culture history and ended up winning AOTY if she navigated this better. 

Exactly 

59 minutes ago, swissman said:

But considering she's not rebranding herself as a country artist, it's not as if she'd have any purpose to hang out in their community to pave the road of acceptance. She made the album in reaction to the lack of acceptance she did have when she did go rub shoulders with the industry, performing a the CMAs in Nashville, interacting with them in some form or fashion.

 

 

Why are you so hell bent on trying to validate the lack of effort and dropped ball?  It doesn't matter if she isn't going to be permanently Country. Even if it for 1 album ideally it would've been nice for her to treat like a full passion project. Only doing Country for 1 album doesn't mean "well ok I shouldn't give it effort like a standard Country album and I should phone it in instead".

[iHype.]

1 hour ago, Elementary said:

This is not only racist but misogynist. Why didn't he say the same thing to Post Malone and Shaboozey?

You clearly don't even understand the convo or what's going on. Post Malone & Shaboozey actually did put in strong effort to network with the Country industry and consumers. 

 

They have performed at Country festivals, promoted to Country radio stations heavily, have attended and performed at Country Award Shows. All of this is vital for any artist to truly break through in the Country industry and it's not "racist" that someone pointed out she failed to do any of it.

[iHype.]

22 hours ago, 50thStateofMind said:

and what about all those country bros who were making trap country a few years ago....FOH

The fact you didn't actually read what he said or slightly understand is sending me. He said she DID make a Country album that is actual Country. 

The issue was she failed to network in the Country industry. She did not visit any award shows, festivals, promote with Country promoters, spend actual time promoting at Country radio, etc. These are the voting bodies for Country award ceremonies. 

 

[Elementary]

Just now, iHype. said:

 

You clearly don't even understand the convo or what's going on. Post Malone & Shaboozey actually did put in strong effort to network with the Country industry and consumers. 

 

They have performed at Country festivals, promoted to Country radio stations heavily, have attended and performed at Country Award Shows. All of this is vital for any artist to truly break through in the Country industry and it's not "racist" that someone pointed out she failed to do any of it.

And what does not doing any of that gate keep Beyoncé from releasing a country album or being awarded for it? The album is critically acclaimed, mind you so it's not like she did a bad job. People are always shading her for "buying her awards" or "being praised because of her industry connections" and now you're saying "she didn't network within the country industry, therefore she deserves not to be nominated or recognized". Make that make sense. 

[iHype.]

13 minutes ago, Elementary said:

And what does not doing any of that gate keep Beyoncé from releasing a country album or being awarded for it? The album is critically acclaimed, mind you so it's not like she did a bad job. People are always shading her for "buying her awards" or "being praised because of her industry connections" and now you're saying "she didn't network within the country industry, therefore she deserves not to be nominated or recognized". Make that make sense. 

If Taylor Swift releases an R&B album and her fans buy it millions of times and it outsells every other R&B album are BET Awards & Soul Train Awards required to celebrate it? Especially if it had zero hits at R&B radio, did not generate any interest with most R&B listeners, and she failed to do a single promotion or network to R&B industry?….

[swissman]

16 minutes ago, iHype. said:

 

Exactly 

Why are you so hell bent on trying to validate the lack of effort and dropped ball?  It doesn't matter if she isn't going to be permanently Country. Even if it for 1 album ideally it would've been nice for her to treat like a full passion project. Only doing Country for 1 album doesn't mean "well ok I shouldn't give it effort like a standard Country album and I should phone it in instead".

Dropped what ball? The opportunity to suck up to the kinds of people she admonishes on songs like AMERIICAN REQUIEM?

 

Nothing about the quality of the record is phoned in and that's what matters to me. If you ask why I'm validating her choices, it's because I don't stan the reaction to her album, the nominations, the hits, or anything but the music, her voice and her perspectives. It's HER choice to treat her albums as she pleases, and any fan of her's over the last decade should by now understand her ways. She's said it in many fashions and shown us through countless moves. If you allow her to approach her own legendary music career the way she wants, you'll probably find you're not constantly trying to invalidate her, searching for opportunities to complain or tell her she dropped the ball.

But let's hear it in her own words, shall we?
"This album ... was born out of an experience that I had years ago where I did not feel welcomed…and it was very clear that I wasn't. But, because of that experience, I did a deeper dive into the history of Country music and studied our rich musical archive. ... The criticisms I faced when I first entered this genre forced me to propel past the limitations that were put on me."

 

So whether one agrees or disagrees with her motives for this, it doesn't change the reality. The country music community, via the CMAs, did not treat her very well. And as a fan you suggest she go back to them and try harder this time? The point of the album seems to be, to me, to carve out her own lane into the genre, not to try as many ways as she can to be accepted by them. It might never intersect with the establishment, but as we've seen, Black artists have already begun to traverse the path she's forged. And some may create their own that leads to the country industry, but I don't see any clue whatsoever that Beyoncé motive was ever to do that.

[ImpressMeMuch]

Katy, get your friend

[kayliah]

I stand with Luke Bryan.

[50thStateofMind]

46 minutes ago, iHype. said:

 

The fact you didn't actually read what he said or slightly understand is sending me. He said she DID make a Country album that is actual Country. 

The issue was she failed to network in the Country industry. She did not visit any award shows, festivals, promote with Country promoters, spend actual time promoting at Country radio, etc. These are the voting bodies for Country award ceremonies. 

 

The fact that my point went RIGHT over your head is sending me. 

[swissman]

17 minutes ago, iHype. said:

If Taylor Swift releases an R&B album and her fans buy it millions of times and it outsells every other R&B album are BET Awards & Soul Train Awards required to celebrate it? Especially if it had zero hits at R&B radio, did not generate any interest with most R&B listeners, and she failed to do a single promotion or network to R&B industry?….

The BET Awards and Soul Train Music Awards explicitly honour African-American culture though and neither focus on R&B or any one genre. I won't get into the need for such awards as I assume you are aware of the history of segregated music and the industry's tendency to appreciate white art over Black art. Taylor not being nominated there with her zero R&B radio hits would thus not be surprising. Beyoncé, however, did indeed have a country radio hit.

The CMAs, comparatively are not meant to honour white culture. They honour a genre that is white-dominated, which is not the same thing. So when the CMAs ignore one of the factually biggest and acclaimed country albums of the year, it's not unusual that people will criticize that.

BUT more to the point, the motivation of COWBOY CARTER does not at all seem to be "please take me seriously country music industry!" but "I can do this without you, I don't need your approval, permission or recognition". And you'll notice Beyoncé has not said a word about her lack of CMAs nominations.

[iHype.]

13 minutes ago, 50thStateofMind said:

The fact that my point went RIGHT over your head is sending me. 

So what does another artist making bro country have to do with Beyonce not doing anything to interact with the Country music industry 

[Gesamtkunstwerk]

I don't listen to country and it's not really popular in my where I live, so idk if Beyoncé did country music good or not, but I've never seen so much direct and immediate gate keeping from major artists within a genre towards another artist  They welcomed face tatted, non-Southern, former rapper Post Malone with open arms, but we know why

[iHype.]

10 minutes ago, swissman said:

The BET Awards and Soul Train Music Awards explicitly honour African-American culture though and neither focus on R&B or any one genre.

Plenty of white artists have gotten nominations via R&B/Hip-Hop music that were relevant and well received with the demographic of BET & Soul Train Awards. 

 

 

10 minutes ago, swissman said:

The CMAs, comparatively are not meant to honour white culture. They honour a genre that is white-dominated, which is not the same thing. So when the CMAs ignore one of the factually biggest and acclaimed country albums of the year, it's not unusual that people will criticize that.

And the explanation is being given to you — she completely disassociated herself with the Country industry this era and even said it wasn't a Country album. 
 

She also did not have a Country radio hit. Texas peaking below top 20 and being gone after a few weeks is extremely minimal to the point it wouldn't even be a top 100 most played song on the format during year-end. 
 

10 minutes ago, swissman said:

BUT more to the point, the motivation of COWBOY CARTER does not at all seem to be "please take me seriously country music industry!" but "I can do this without you, I don't need your approval, permission or recognition". And you'll notice Beyoncé has not said a word about her lack of CMAs nominations

So then maybe her fans should actually listen to her message and not continue to get outraged and beg Country award outlets to acknowledge her 
 

[JonginBey]

You ol' hillbilly chipmunk-cheek stiff face ass ho. Shut up!