Black Sunflower Posted September 27 Posted September 27 Sorry ya'll but I'm gonna vote for who makes our situation better in our country. I don't care if Kamala supports Israel. Who is gonna be better for our country in the short-term, Trump or Kamala? Chappel just sounded like a whiny brat. Not everyone has the luxury to worry about international affairs. 10 1 1 8
Jay07 Posted September 27 Posted September 27 (edited) 1 hour ago, punisher said: yall have got to stop getting mad at celebrities for not being a kamala boot-licker yall have called cardi, ethel, chappel and other celebrities trumpies just because they do not want to endorse kamala due to her israel support which is totally valid not all criticism to kamala or democrats is an immediate co-sign to trump, because the truth is they're both extremely shitty and evil people, and both deserve their criticisms. now call me when ethel starts advocating for trump, which you will not see happen The fact is that not voting or voting third party materially helps Trump. No one has to do anything and if people think a person who told Netanyahu to "finish the job" and a person who asked for a ceasefire are the "same" then they can very well not vote or vote Trump. They just forfeit the right to whine about anything if the Supreme Court gets two more conservative seats for the next 50 years, or the bloody deportations Trump threatens become reality or Obergefell gets repealed or any of the other things Project 2025 promises become reality. It really is as simple as that. Edited September 27 by Jay07 5 2
DougAF Posted September 27 Posted September 27 38 minutes ago, Ryan said: The response to my comment was she's trans, as if that somehow makes her immune to criticism or makes what I said any less valid. She is semi famous, has money and has the privilege of not being directly impacted by a Trump presidency. Her being trans doesn't negate that. How does she have the privilege of not being directly impacted by a Trump presidency? She would definitely be FAR more impacted than you? 3 2
ATRL Administrator Ryan Posted September 27 ATRL Administrator Posted September 27 3 minutes ago, DougAF said: How does she have the privilege of not being directly impacted by a Trump presidency? She would definitely be FAR more impacted than you? White and wealth gives her an advantage to be able to withstand things in a way that regular, non-wealthy non-famous people do not. 14 2 2
Jay07 Posted September 27 Posted September 27 11 minutes ago, DougAF said: How does she have the privilege of not being directly impacted by a Trump presidency? She would definitely be FAR more impacted than you? Republicans want to limit access to gender affirming care. As @Ryan said, as a rich person she could have easier access to that than a non rich person. 2 2
LanaXtinaFan Posted September 27 Posted September 27 She's right but saying these types of things to a majority young audience is NOT what we need, sis. This comment could persuade many young voters to either change their vote or not vote at all. 2
DougAF Posted September 27 Posted September 27 18 minutes ago, Ryan said: White and wealth gives her an advantage to be able to withstand things in a way that regular, non-wealthy non-famous people do not. Will republicans let her pay a toll to use her preferred bathroom because she's wealthy? 11 minutes ago, Jay07 said: Republicans want to limit access to gender affirming care. As @Ryan said, as a rich person she could have easier access to that than a non rich person. Limit access? More like ban
DAP Posted September 27 Posted September 27 1 hour ago, Mornings said: Okay so what's the solution here? We gotta start thinking big picture if both of them are not going to support a free Palestine movement. and which candidate is more willing to be convinced of a free Palestine if that is the goal? The solution will have to be a collective movement that can challenge the status quo ie a labor struggle. We do not have the money to compete directly with lobbies or the corporations that influence these outcomes, but we do have masses of people that can disrupt their hegemony with strikes, walk outs, boycotts, and blockades. It's already occurring; blockades of weapons shipments at ports and factories have been happening for months, thousands of Boeing workers in the US are on an indefinite strike, and another strike is imminent for ship workers in the eastern US, in addition to the college students. People aren't being cynical whenever they say no one will save us but ourselves. Our leaders can't be trusted to protect us or respond to our needs because they aren't accountable to us. Do you think Kamala was appealing to vulnerable peoples when she claimed devotion to creating "the most lethal fighting force in the world", or promised a Goldman Sachs-endorsed economic plan, or invited a self-indulgent idiot billionaire to lecture about being "a real billionaire" ()? 5
Venice B Posted September 27 Posted September 27 I just don't understand what those celebrities think they're accomplishing by doing this? Like yeah Kamala is no saint and she won't be the perfect president but I'd never say that while in the middle of a presidential election to a mostly young (and easily impressionable) audience when the only other option is Donald Trump. 3 9 1
awesomepossum Posted September 27 Posted September 27 2 hours ago, Uncatena said: I want yall to point to me where in Ethel's post (and Chappell's statements for that matter) she said people shouldn't vote for Harris/should vote for Trump. yall cannot be stupid enough to scream f*ck israel all year (rightfully so) and then go happily vote for kamala […] like she didn't just get up on that debate stage and say israel has the right to blow the entire levant to smithereens that part 2
ATRL Administrator Ryan Posted September 27 ATRL Administrator Posted September 27 6 minutes ago, DougAF said: Will republicans let her pay a toll to use her preferred bathroom because she's wealthy? Does her wealth allow her to relocate to a place where she doesn’t have to endure the discrimination of a GOP-led state? Does her privilege allow her access to places where that may not in fact be an issue? Does a trans person working a regular 9-5 making say $30K have the option to do so? 9 3
Windy Day Posted September 27 Posted September 27 4 hours ago, YourFavoriteWeapon said: Would Ethel rather us vote for the pro-Israel candidate who is pro-choice, pro-middle class, pro-LGBT, pro-affordable housing, pro-Medicare, pro-overtime pay, pro-affordable child care, pro-climate protection, pro-small businesses, pro-gun restrictions, and pro-veterans…or the pro-Israel candidate who is against all of those things and wants to turn America into a fascist dictatorship? She's correct that it's unfair and unreasonable to make Chappell (or any celebrity for that matter) endorse a candidate if they're not comfortable doing so, but to proudly encourage those to either vote third party or sit this election out is wishing for Trump to win. She is a ******* idiot, always has been, and no amount of undeserved praise for her backwards beliefs or her Nicole Dollanganger off Temu ass music will negate her blatant stupidity. **** her. are you completely dumb? she IS voting for kamala but voting and endorsing are two different things. are you illiterate? 1 1 1
Windy Day Posted September 27 Posted September 27 (edited) 5 minutes ago, awesomepossum said: yall cannot be stupid enough to scream f*ck israel all year (rightfully so) and then go happily vote for kamala […] like she didn't just get up on that debate stage and say israel has the right to blow the entire levant to smithereens that part so you guys truly have no reading comprehension lmfao PLEASE, read that part again at least 15 times before posting again Edited September 27 by Windy Day 2 1 1
State of Grace. Posted September 27 Posted September 27 2 hours ago, Communion said: I really don't know another way to say it but this whole issue with Roan has revealed some of you and liberals online as just... not actually equipped for this. That none of you actually understood the rhetoric or ideas or discourse you claimed to support throughout the 2010s and don't actually know how to navigate it now. Some you see your tongue trip over lexicon like "privilege" with no actual material understanding of privilege to mean a material relationship. So you find yourselves scolding people within the very demographics or within the very material relationships that largely define the experiences of the marginalized communities who either 1) make up most non-voters or 2) the progressive Democratic base who is being further pushed to the sidelines for the courting of rich voters. Harris is endorsing rapid deportations and tearing undocumented children away from their parents because she is courting privileged people. Harris is endorsing industrialization that poisons drinking water and boils the planet alive because she is courting privileged people. Harris is running on her record of proudly locking up criminals (read: trans women of color and queer people for sex work) because she is courting privileged people. Harris is distancing herself from policies that inherently and disproportionately help poor people like universal healthcare because she is courting privileged people. There's no way to understand the conflict at hand or the contradictions of the campaign Harris is trying to run without acknowledging the reality that Harris is running a deeply conservative-coded campaign that is courting deeply privileged voters (the highly educated, highly affluent white voters). You - as in liberals in the general sense - look silly and deeply unserious trying to wield privilege rhetoric for your means but then be unable to answer to how Harris has contorted herself into whatever candidate privileged Never-Trump Republicans want to see. You know who is privileged? Dick Cheney. The kind of person Harris is abandoning all of her past morals + views to court the endorsement of. Continuing to ramble about Ethel being privileged and rich (lmao) while ignoring this post 5 2
Windy Day Posted September 27 Posted September 27 2 hours ago, Communion said: I really don't know another way to say it but this whole issue with Roan has revealed some of you and liberals online as just... not actually equipped for this. That none of you actually understood the rhetoric or ideas or discourse you claimed to support throughout the 2010s and don't actually know how to navigate it now. Some you see your tongue trip over lexicon like "privilege" with no actual material understanding of privilege to mean a material relationship. So you find yourselves scolding people within the very demographics or within the very material relationships that largely define the experiences of the marginalized communities who either 1) make up most non-voters or 2) the progressive Democratic base who is being further pushed to the sidelines for the courting of rich voters. Harris is endorsing rapid deportations and tearing undocumented children away from their parents because she is courting privileged people. Harris is endorsing industrialization that poisons drinking water and boils the planet alive because she is courting privileged people. Harris is running on her record of proudly locking up criminals (read: trans women of color and queer people for sex work) because she is courting privileged people. Harris is distancing herself from policies that inherently and disproportionately help poor people like universal healthcare because she is courting privileged people. There's no way to understand the conflict at hand or the contradictions of the campaign Harris is trying to run without acknowledging the reality that Harris is running a deeply conservative-coded campaign that is courting deeply privileged voters (the highly educated, highly affluent white voters). You - as in liberals in the general sense - look silly and deeply unserious trying to wield privilege rhetoric for your means but then be unable to answer to how Harris has contorted herself into whatever candidate privileged Never-Trump Republicans want to see. You know who is privileged? Dick Cheney. The kind of person Harris is abandoning all of her past morals + views to court the endorsement of. but… but… you think you just fell out of a coconut tree?? 😂😂 kamala is BRAT!! 💅 2 2
CandleGuy Posted September 27 Posted September 27 I know the whole tRuMp iS LiTtEraLLy HiTLeR thing is overplayed but Everytime you want to say Trump, say Hitler instead, and see if it changes your mind. "Yeah Hitler is bad but Kamala refuses to denounce Israel so I can't stand behind her" Because once he formally overturns the very existence of trans people in America, you will be sorry you didn't stand behind the only person who can stop him. 5 1
Windy Day Posted September 27 Posted September 27 2 minutes ago, CandleGuy said: I know the whole tRuMp iS LiTtEraLLy HiTLeR thing is overplayed but Everytime you want to say Trump, say Hitler instead, and see if it changes your mind. "Yeah Hitler is bad but Kamala refuses to denounce Israel so I can't stand behind her" Because once he formally overturns the very existence of trans people in America, you will be sorry you didn't stand behind the only person who can stop him. once again what does that have to do with refusing to publicly endorse her policies of killing dozen of thousands of brown people and ethnic cleansing of an entire region?
CandleGuy Posted September 27 Posted September 27 2 minutes ago, Windy Day said: once again what does that have to do with refusing to publicly endorse her policies of killing dozen of thousands of brown people and ethnic cleansing of an entire region? I don't have a problem with her not publicly endorsing Kamala. I have a problem with her publicly announcing she is not endorsing Kamala because "both sides bad" which will influence young people who otherwise would have voted Kamala to withhold their vote, thereby benefitting Trump. 10
ebaby Posted September 27 Posted September 27 mother supporting mother the rest can stay pressed free palestine 2
Windy Day Posted September 27 Posted September 27 4 minutes ago, CandleGuy said: I don't have a problem with her not publicly endorsing Kamala. I have a problem with her publicly announcing she is not endorsing Kamala because "both sides bad" which will influence young people who otherwise would have voted Kamala to withhold their vote, thereby benefitting Trump. and in the same breath she also encouraged voters to read programs and to get involved while saying that she's herself voting for kamala!! so what is your problem…?
Into The Void Posted September 27 Posted September 27 Weird how a few weeks ago people were begging for Taylor to endorse Kamala 1
anastaciabby Posted September 27 Posted September 27 2 hours ago, Uncatena said: maybe people would respond to you if they took your arguments seriously and didn't know they were in bad faith x you don't have any as I don't have a record of talking in bad faith but like I said, when you can't back what you're pushing you deflect as always, x! 1 1
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