Slap Posted September 22 Posted September 22 (edited) 3 hours ago, Bethenny Frankel said: This obviously is the biggest bomb in human history Hiroshima, sweetie, I'm so sorry. Edited September 22 by Slap
Illuminati Posted September 22 Posted September 22 Absolutely. She was teasing this like it was gonna be her best material yet and this lifeless record is all she could come up with when her career was on the line. I don't think she will actually retire though, didn't she say she wants to make an acoustic album after a dance one?
lgaga1fan Posted September 22 Posted September 22 No. She just needs to get with people that are interested in making music and not profiting off of her image. Smile had good songs on it and it was an admitted half baked effort. She has a great voice and her Vegas residency was great, even When Im Gone is a fun dance track. She needs better people in her camp.
superben Posted September 22 Posted September 22 Retirement is a good option tbh. I don't hate 143, but it shows she has no real passion for the music like she used to. She has wealth and a family now, so that's probably her priority.
Snoopy Posted September 22 Posted September 22 I don't think so, but she should make music that she enjoys. Try different things. She doesn't have much to lose at this point, really.
taylordswift13 Posted September 22 Posted September 22 I've been a KP stan since 2008 and this hate train has been so insane - she needs a whole new PR team, how did her team let this get so out of hand This album is full of harmless (slightly uninspired) bops, but to be considered the worst female album of all time is absurd? She needs to lay low for the rest of year and pretend 143 never happened. Next year she should work with some new indie producers and release random droplets (in the vein of NRO/HIH), headline a few festivals, release a campy-fun Christmas album, then the acoustic album she has mentioned. Katy may never see mainstream success again but that doesn't mean her career is over - she should follow Kylie Minogue's career trajectory by consistently releasing pop bangers and finding her niche audience. Spoiler See y'all in 2029 when she releases KP7 2
eclipsed Posted September 22 Posted September 22 No but she needs to stop repeating past mistakes. She hasn't evolved in almost 2 decades. Stop chasing chart success and make something more honest is the way to go imo but if this really is the kind of bland, uninspired type of music she likes to make then do that - flopping/receiving a panning but still doing what you love and maybe giving your fans what they want is one thing but at least do it with dignity and don't work with a predator.
eclipsed Posted September 22 Posted September 22 10 minutes ago, taylordswift13 said: She needs to lay low for the rest of year and pretend 143 never happened. Next year she should work with some new indie producers and release random droplets (in the vein of NRO/HIH), headline a few festivals, release a campy-fun Christmas album, then the acoustic album she has mentioned. Just pointing out that random droplets seemed to hurt her career a lot tbh. She needs a solid album that will set her on a path to redemption, doesn't need to see success chart wise but truly serve arts not the charts and then maybe people will be like wait this is actually good, rebuild some goodwill then she can maybe tease a return to pop music. I also don't know if her never addressing the DL stuff is gonna go over well in the long run, it would probably tarnish her career forever. At some point she should probably admit it was a mistake and then pretend this album never existed I don't think she will do this part because she seems to be friends with him.
cuteboyzay Posted September 22 Posted September 22 (edited) No, but I think she should not work with people that completely invalidate her artistic integrity. She allowed someone like Luke to work with her because she lacked the confidence she had not only in herself but in her vision imo, to make a comeback. I regret wanting her to have some bit of success with her working with Dr. Luke because I know she's been flopping with music for some years now. But there have been COUNTLESS amazing producers that have spawned numerous hits within the last 4yrs, especially with TikTok. And she chooses DR. LUKE of all people to help her reconnect with the new gen and deliver a message of "Women Empowerment"? Unfortunately I think this entire thing just revealed her character lmao! She's getting dragged because she kinda just showed who she was as a person, not how "bad" of an artist she is (although the album is bad too) . Edited September 22 by cuteboyzay
Maroonx Posted September 22 Posted September 22 No, coz if she stays releasing music I can continue to use this gif: 1
KK_Lover Posted September 22 Posted September 22 4 hours ago, TaylorsSquad said: She just needs to apologize for working with Dr. Luke and make better music. It's Katy we're talking about so idk if she's able. Why she should apologize ? 2
BlueBlue Posted September 22 Posted September 22 People are expecting too much from her honestly. She was a MPG 10 years ago of course but this was 10 years ago and people watching numbers of her new music and acting like she released Dark Horse month ago or something but this was 10 years ago....
Sugar-Rush Posted September 22 Posted September 22 (edited) 38 minutes ago, KK_Lover said: Why she should apologize ? For working with an alleged rapist and known misogynist who also body shamed Kesha and Kelly even though Katy had previously said that she avoided working with him after Prism because she was afraid of the stigma surrounding Dr. Luke? What's not clicking? 26 minutes ago, BlueBlue said: People are expecting too much from her honestly. She was a MPG 10 years ago of course but this was 10 years ago and people watching numbers of her new music and acting like she released Dark Horse month ago or something but this was 10 years ago.... The 10 years excuse is bullshit tbh. Gaga's career began the same year as Katy's yet she still manages to get hits these days. If she can do it, there's no reason why Katy can't except for her bad decisions, which is why she needs a better team around her to veto said bad decisions and steer her career in the right direction. Edited September 22 by Sugar-Rush
KK_Lover Posted September 22 Posted September 22 20 minutes ago, Sugar-Rush said: For working with an alleged rapist and known misogynist who also body shamed Kesha and Kelly even though Katy had previously said that she avoided working with him after Prism because she was afraid of the stigma surrounding Dr. Luke? What's not clicking? The 10 years excuse is bullshit tbh. Gaga's career began the same year as Katy's yet she still manages to get hits these days. If she can do it, there's no reason why Katy can't except for her bad decisions, which is why she needs a better team around her to veto said bad decisions and steer her career in the right direction. oh ok 1
thatsmydemi Posted September 22 Posted September 22 No. If anything, she should stop trying to "serve" for the approval of gays and the stan world in general. They hate her and it's time for her to realize this. After this dance album, she should focus on making adult-friendly pop, something like Never Really Over, Thinking of You, Lost, Cry About it Later, Only Love... something that adults and the GP would enjoy. A mix of One Of The Boys and Smile is the perfect direction for her. 1
TomTom Posted September 22 Posted September 22 1 hour ago, KK_Lover said: Why she should apologize ? 23 minutes ago, KK_Lover said: oh ok You're disgusting.
BlueBlue Posted September 22 Posted September 22 1 hour ago, Sugar-Rush said: The 10 years excuse is bullshit tbh. Gaga's career began the same year as Katy's yet she still manages to get hits these days. If she can do it, there's no reason why Katy can't except for her bad decisions, which is why she needs a better team around her to veto said bad decisions and steer her career in the right direction. Gaga is actually a example how you manage your career after failure. Probably after artpop failure she knew that recession pop music is not going to give her anything and she reinvented her career. She put main focus on her voice and started to appeal GP with covers performances etc. and that gave her another hits because people started to like her again. She step up out of her bubble and this gave her another hits. On the other hand popstars like Katy are doing the same things since 2010 so streams/sales are low (yes even when Katy was in her "rebel" witness era her music doesn't changed that much because people saw her music another time just like pop music) Most of positive comments about Katy recently is about her performances. If she would put focus on that after Prism and build her image as a performer she would be in different place now
HeavyMetalAura Posted September 22 Posted September 22 (edited) 6 hours ago, NoAngelus said: oh god when will people stop thinking that acoustic/experimental = artistic. you can make artistic dance pop album, and you can also make generic acoustic one. The lack of reading comprehension Did I say the acoustic album had to be experimental? Did I say acoustic automatically = artistic? Did I say the experimental album couldn't be dance pop? Did I use the word "artistic" at all? I'm not suggesting she release some kind of Bjork-style album, I mean experimental relative to the very generic pop she's released up to this point. Edited September 22 by HeavyMetalAura
Feanor Posted September 22 Posted September 22 I've been saying that Katy should've continued her career as a TV/Media personality, with American Idol and then maybe a talk or cooking show too. She could've still dropped a new song or album every now and then, and do another Vegas residency, but being a full time pop star is just not going to happen anymore for her.
Gelato Posted September 22 Posted September 22 (edited) I doubt she will retire. she will be back in a few years with either an acoustic album or an AC album. She might look at someone like Pink who doesn't get hits anymore but has a Gen X/elder millennial following, plus some younger people who go to her tours for the theatrics. She could occupy the same kind of niche (albeit with lower album and ticket sales) if she accepts she's a legacy act. Edited September 22 by Gelato
Jacobdaniel Posted September 22 Posted September 22 10 hours ago, HeavyMetalAura said: No, her next album should be a palette-cleansing acoustic one, and the one after that should be super experimental for the hell of it. No more basic stuff though i promise you, no one wants to hear this besides her 14 fans
John Slayne Posted September 22 Posted September 22 the real question is will her label even care enough to give her budget for another album? not even Dr Puke saved her from flop so what else is there for her to do? she doesn't have any unique talent to fall back on. maybe she could do another vegas show.
Ryusei Posted September 22 Posted September 22 9 hours ago, Ramcoro said: Real question... if she stopped releasing music, what would ATRL be obsessing over??? Seems like it's only thing getting hit threads and keeping the lights on with these shirty servers. Chappell roan has it covered atm
insomniac Posted September 22 Posted September 22 8 hours ago, Bethenny Frankel said: Thank you for this awful attempt at dragging me, it's good to know there's still one Katy Cat on this website still defending her Ha—I was just trolling because your OP text read like a copypasta.
TipToe Posted September 22 Posted September 22 Retiring it's ridiculous unless she's only on it for financial reasons, and even then she still has potential to earn by touring (on modest budget). If she likes making music she just need to really reassess everything that's going on and just keep going.
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