celeb news Chappell Roan on not endorsing Kamala Harris: "There's problems on both sides"

[Parallel]

I love how everyone with a heart is defending her and only the neoliberals and zionists are mad  

[ClashAndBurn]

9 minutes ago, GhostBox said:

It's not hard to say "I do not support every policy that Kamala stands for but she is the best choice between the two candidates. I care deeply about LGBT issues and there's only one candidate who also cares about them. I also care deeply about every woman having their right to choose their own healthcare. That's why I'm voting for her!"

 

but instead she keeps saying things that come off to people as her both siding it even more 💀

 

 

If Kamala Harris wasn't an evil-as-**** genocide supporter, then maybe a statement like that would be easier to make. Until then, I guess all we have to look forward to is more dead Arabs and zero meaningful progress.

[Parallel]

Get them Chappell!

 

[Matchatea]

Well….

[Vegvisir]

Just now, yonsé said:

again. i never said criticism is tantamount to treason?

 

you all love to put these words in my mouth that i never said. its clear you are so far up her ass you refuse to see her for the privileged cis white woman she is. maybe YOU should get out of your bubble and speak to some people of color. 

My friends who happen to be POC are mostly critical of Kamala's policies on prosecution and criminal reform. She has played the middle ground on so many things, like denouncing the death penalty in some cases while defending it as state policy in California. She rallied for racial bias training for police officers but ignored calls for her office to investigate several police shootings. She has a loooong history of this crap which makes a lot of minority groups wary of her. She loves cops, she loves order, and has a history of playing to the left in public but appeasing the right behind closed doors.

 

I'm not trying to shame you or tell you that you're wrong - but I am telling you that it's clear you lack experience in really discussing politics, and if you tried to broach these conversations with the heavy lifters in the queer community they would absolutely shred you for your basic approach to collective liberation.

[GhostBox]

10 minutes ago, ClashAndBurn said:

If Kamala Harris wasn't an evil-as-**** genocide supporter, then maybe a statement like that would be easier to make. Until then, I guess all we have to look forward to is more dead Arabs and zero meaningful progress.

Nah, It's still easy to make. Because Theres more issues that are important than just one. 
 

And if you build your entire career on the backs of the lgbt community dont whine when people call you out for not seeming to care about what happens to that community if trump were to win.

 🤷

which is how a lot of people took her both siding it all. 

Edited September 25 by GhostBox

[Vegvisir]

2 minutes ago, GhostBox said:

And if you build your entire career on the backs of the lgbt community dont whine when people call you out for not seeming to care about what happens to that community if trump were to win.

CHAPPELL IS GAY.
SHE DID NOT "BUILD HER CAREER ON THE BACKS OF THE LGBT COMMUNITY".

SHE IS GAY.

[ClashAndBurn]

4 minutes ago, GhostBox said:

Nah, It's still easy to make. Because Theres more issues that are important than just one. 
 

And if you build your entire career on the backs of the lgbt community dont whine when people call you out for not seeming to care about what happens to that community if trump were to win.

 🤷

which is how a lot of people took her both siding it all. 

Just say you're fine with more dead Arabs and move on. Chappell has said nothing wrong, while all you're doing is defending Kamala's right to support a genocide on a gay pop music forum whose server infrastructure is even more failing and crumbling than America's roads and bridges.

[yonsé]

10 minutes ago, Vegvisir said:

My friends who happen to be POC are mostly critical of Kamala's policies on prosecution and criminal reform. She has played the middle ground on so many things, like denouncing the death penalty in some cases while defending it as state policy in California. She rallied for racial bias training for police officers but ignored calls for her office to investigate several police shootings. She has a loooong history of this crap which makes a lot of minority groups wary of her. She loves cops, she loves order, and has a history of playing to the left in public but appeasing the right behind closed doors.

 

I'm not trying to shame you or tell you that you're wrong - but I am telling you that it's clear you lack experience in really discussing politics, and if you tried to broach these conversations with the heavy lifters in the queer community they would absolutely shred you for your basic approach to collective liberation.

i have never stated my opinions or my friends opinions on kamala's policies. what i was discussing yesterday was the fact that chappell's apolitical stance of NOT condemning the side of politics that wants trans people essentially eliminated is problematic. and here YOU come saying me and my friends are bootlickers to the government. you don't know anything about me or my political stance.

 

when someone who is cisgendered and white while trying to be a champion for trans rights is not putting that issue at the FOREFRONT, it is problematic. she mentions trans rights but also mentions voting small. nevermind that there are potentially two vacancies on the supreme court opening and trump winning would mean an all conservative bench that will absolutely do everything in their right to reverse ANY rights queer and trans people have fought for for decades. THAT is what she should be talking about. the fact that project 2025 is dangerous to society. not trying to point out other things that don't have to do with her main issue. That being said, saying and recognizing this does NOT negate said problems with the left or with kamala's policies. no candidate is perfect and the left is obviously far from that, and i never said anything different.

 

the issue here is that any criticism of Chappell is immediately taken as upholding a political system when the reality is, shes rich and famous and most of these things will never affect her daily life. she has the privilege to use the other problems in the party as a comparison as though what the right wants to do and what the left wants to do are the same. me and my BLACK queer friends do not have that privilege. we have to vote for literal survival. it's really not hard to comprehend.

 

and you literally were shaming me and telling me that i was wrong. but ok. you have a nice day.

[Vegvisir]

4 minutes ago, yonsé said:

i have never stated my opinions or my friends opinions on kamala's policies. what i was discussing yesterday was the fact that chappell's apolitical stance of NOT condemning the side of politics that wants trans people essentially eliminated is problematic. and here YOU come saying me and my friends are bootlickers to the government. you don't know anything about me or my political stance.

 

when someone who is cisgendered and white while trying to be a champion for trans rights is not putting that issue at the FOREFRONT, it is problematic. she mentions trans rights but also mentions voting small. nevermind that there are potentially two vacancies on the supreme court opening and trump winning would mean an all conservative bench that will absolutely do everything in their right to reverse ANY rights queer and trans people have fought for for decades. THAT is what she should be talking about. the fact that project 2025 is dangerous to society. not trying to point out other things that don't have to do with her main issue. That being said, saying and recognizing this does NOT negate said problems with the left or with kamala's policies. no candidate is perfect and the left is obviously far from that, and i never said anything different.

 

the issue here is that any criticism of Chappell is immediately taken as upholding a political system when the reality is, shes rich and famous and most of these things will never affect her daily life. she has the privilege to use the other problems in the party as a comparison as though what the right wants to do and what the left wants to do are the same. me and my BLACK queer friends do not have that privilege. we have to vote for literal survival. it's really not hard to comprehend.

 

and you literally were shaming me and telling me that i was wrong. but ok. you have a nice day.

It's strange because we both want the same thing, but you can't see through your own hot reaction to identify that.

 

Considering most of the laws and bans on trans people that have come out over the past 4 years have been:

 

a) on a state level

b) under a democratic presidency

 

Chappell highlighting the importance of voting LOCALLY instead of just focusing on the president is actually more beneficial for the trans community at large.

 

Collective liberation relies on intersectionality - no experience is the same, and privilege is a very real thing, but when someone is offering to fight for you it's in your best interest to skip the race resume scanning and realize we're all humans looking for peace and acceptance. Chappell being white and cis doesn't negate that she's a lesbian and providing so much visibility for her community.

 

She's also been famous for like... 6 months. Trust me when I tell you the riches and privilege aren't quite there for her yet. She's likely leading the same normal life as before but with the whole world now picking at her and misconstruing her words every time she opens her mouth.

 

You seem like you just want to be angry and correct instead of having a real conversation and maybe learning something new.

[khalyan]

I’m so sorry but she’s such a dumb person and I need her to hire a PR team and hand her socials over because she’s ruining her reputation every time she talks 

[ImpressMeMuch]

 

[ZeroSuitBritney]

She released two videos explaining the situation and even said she's voting for Kamala and some of y'all are still in here attacking her because she's not outright endorsing her after she clearly stated facts as to why she's not. 
 

Blue MAGA brain rot, folks 

[ImpressMeMuch]

9 minutes ago, ImpressMeMuch said:

 

@Parallel this is commentary on the twitter pop pages making bullsh* headlines out of all of her videos + interviews, not her lol

Edited September 25 by ImpressMeMuch

[Ms. Togekiss]

What I've learned about her is she's not only incredibly annoying but unbelievably stupid as well. She should just stay quiet or hire a publicist to edit her ramblings 

[CottageHore]

17 minutes ago, khalyan said:

I'm so sorry but she's such a dumb person and I need her to hire a PR team and hand her socials over because she's ruining her reputation every time she talks 

She's only "ruining reputation" with those who don't care about humanity that extends beyond the United States. It's refreshing for most of us to see a celebrity who isn't yet jaded and just saying what the virtue signaling GP wants to hear. She's real, y'all just hate to see it!

[khalyan]

1 minute ago, CottageHore said:

She's only "ruining reputation" with those who don't care about humanity that extends beyond the United States. It's refreshing for most of us to see a celebrity who isn't yet jaded and just saying what the virtue signaling GP wants to hear. She's real, y'all just hate to see it!

She has good intentions, but her messaging is possibly the most horrendous messaging I’ve ever seen on progressive issues. Either she needs to work on how she wants to articulate her views if she continues to give these interviews and clarifications, or she needs to be quiet. 

[AvadaKedavra]

Americans are really in a tough spot-dead end street:

1. Not supporting Kamala, which could result in the nightmare of Trump taking over the U.S. again and the end of everything
2. Supporting Kamala, who's complicit in a worsening genocide (check the news) and doing nothing to stop it or push for a ceasefire.
    

Now I get where Chappell is coming from, and I feel bad about her.
She's a new artist, vulnerable to all this hate and criticism she's been gettin lately (Cause looks like everyone hates her now)
She's just trying to do what's right but is caught in a very difficult situation.

I judged her too quickly, and I'd suggest others here not to rush to judgment either. 

 

Edited September 25 by AvadaKedavra

[James_Dean]

Need her to shut up. She has become such an annoyance on the timeline 

[nadiamendell]

Genuinely curious what anti-trans views from the left she is referring to in her latest TikTok?

 

Edited September 25 by nadiamendell

[Gui Blackout]

I'm sorry but why are we even talking about her "endorsement" like it's even remotely relevant? She ain't Taylor Swift. She's not an A-list celebrity. What she says or does is not important outside of stan twitter. She's just a new artist having a breakthrough this year. I'm not even shading her, it's just a fact.

 

If she becomes a household name in the future (and especially if she manages to speak more intelligently than she currently does) then we can have all this discourse, but until then please stop wasting everyone's time.

[Afterglow]

13 hours ago, Thesedays said:

Insane word salad where you try to obfuscate the Palestinean genocide the candidate you're voting for is responsible for and make clear you don't care about the genocide at all.

That's all you could muster out of that? 

 

Whew! When I say you genocide peddlars will absolutely win the Olympic Gold for "TUNNEL VISION". 

 

[Vegvisir]

9 minutes ago, nadiamendell said:

Genuinely curious what anti-trans views from the left she is referring to in her latest TikTok?

 

There are PLENTY of TERFs on the left.

There are PLENTY of people spreading misinformation about trans health care on the left.

There are PLENTY of people that want to limit gender affirming care for trans youth on the left.

[Afterglow]

27 minutes ago, AvadaKedavra said:

Americans are really in a tough spot-dead end street:

1. Not supporting Kamala, which could result in the nightmare of Trump taking over the U.S. again
2. Supporting Kamala, who's complicit in a worsening genocide (check the news) and doing nothing to stop it or push for a ceasefire.

Its not tough at all. Vote for the person who is for the American people and will help our countries minorities and groups that deal with discrimination on the SYSTEMIC level. Vote for the person who isn't going to bring American womens rights back into the 1940's. Vote for the person who was not able and would not orchestrate a racially fueled insurrection on their own land. Vote for someone who quite literally is not a federal criminal.

 

If you can't decide if you want to be complicit in destroying the livelihoods and safety of the Black, Asian, Hispanic, Jewish populations, LGBT and women of all groups in the United States (and abroad) then I could see where youre in a tough spot/dead end street. 

Edited September 25 by Afterglow

[Afterglow]

6 minutes ago, Vegvisir said:

There are PLENTY of TERFs on the left.

There are PLENTY of people spreading misinformation about trans health care on the left.

There are PLENTY of people that want to limit gender affirming care for trans youth on the left.

Is Kamala one of them?