celeb news Chappell Roan on not endorsing Kamala Harris: "There's problems on both sides"

[Thesedays]

2 hours ago, XDNA said:

Do you and the people co-signing know how the Supreme Court works? Maybe try some of those "critical thinking" skills.

I do know. Did Ruth Bader Ginsburg know when she refused to step down despite being old and sick? Did Obama know when he refused to codify abortion rights even though he had a majority and that was a campaign promise?

[Communion]

5 minutes ago, More Than A Melody said:

My point is that Trump is WORSE.

And the point that's being presented to you is that you can scream this until you're blue in the face but you won't convince anyone of it as long as Harris veers right.

 

How can Trump be worse than Harris if Harris is copying his immigration plans? That's the logic of most voters. The point you're making is undercut by your very candidate.

 

When Democrats copy Republican policy and rhetoric, they endorse and give credence to it. 

 

You have to be able to explain how Trump is worse. You have to be able to show the actual, material harm. No one's arguing with you. I agree far-right immigration policies at awful and Trump is a threat. The only person who seemingly is not agreeing with you that Trump's policies are worse and a danger is... Kamala Harris.

 

The issue is not voters understanding or not understanding who is worse. It's Harris not understanding what she stands for or whose vote she actually needs to win.

Edited September 25 by Communion

[Rep2000]

1 hour ago, State of Grace. said:

And she already does. I've already read enough nonsense from yall in the other thread about her "not condemning Trump" (looool). Keep going. Blue MAGA wins!

Comparing to yall saying Trump is the "lesser evil" to Kamala "far right"?!? Did you hear it right?

 

Also, for people who *love* to criticise, suddenly yall can't be bother to condemn someone who's planning on stealing the election and inciting violence (again).

 

OT: Chappell needs a press break. She should take the Beyonce route and stop taking interviews while focusing purely on her music.

[ebaby]

she shouldn't have had to clarify

 

+ she shouldn't feel pressured to endorse anyone

 

free palestine  

[Lyrical.]

Just say "I'm voting for Kamala" & shut up.  Saying a bunch of nothing.

[piotrert]

She sounds like a person who hadn't known where Palestine is on a map before October last year

[GhostBox]

If she ain't voting Trump just say "yea I'm voting for Kamala. I don't agree with her on everything but she's the best choice we have" simple and done. 
 

she just keeps digging a hole 💀

[ImpressMeMuch]

2 hours ago, Slap said:

I really get her feelings about fame and totally support her in that and think she's clearly very talented but now that I've actually heard her speak, she sounds so dumb and all she's doing is throwing a bunch of meaningless sentences around and sounding like an influencer. Everything she said meant absolutely nothing and she says there's nuance in what she says? Please. 
 

I am still so shook she's 26

 

like this video reeks of freshman year college student who just discovered politics attitude and vibe lol 

[RobynYoBank]

Every time this girl opens her mouth I feel less desire to listen to her music 

[ImpressMeMuch]

2 hours ago, yonsé said:

seeing as she is still a white cisgendered woman and trans people of color created drag culture yeah i'm gonna say something about her. and i'm allowed to. 

 

y'all love to hide behind her gayness like that gives her a pass. this has nothing to do with her being a woman and EVERYTHING to do with her being cisgendered and white.

 

Gottmik, TS Madison, GiGi Gorgeous, **** even Michelle Visage used to walk the balls....the list goes on and on of women who embrace the culture while paying respect to what came before her. This gentrification of drag that she does that erases all and any political stance from the culture THAT IS INHERENTLY POLITICAL while trying to sit on a fence is STUPID and im allowed to say so.

Thank you! 
 

so sorry to see your words taken so deeply out of context 

[Acuminatus]

I thought she would use this Tiktok to talk about her concerns regarding the Israel conflict and redirect the conversation away from both siding trans rights, but she spent the whole time saying nothing useful  I still love her music and I know she is mentally struggling, but she desperately needs to learn the PR game and maybe step away from social media.

[ImpressMeMuch]

5 minutes ago, Acuminatus said:

I thought she would use this Tiktok to talk about her concerns regarding the Israel conflict and redirect the conversation away from both siding trans rights, but she spent the whole time saying nothing useful  I still love her music and I know she is mentally struggling, but she desperately needs to learn the PR game and maybe step away from social media.

Yeah this is a basic ass take and anyone, on either side of this dumb argument, acting like it's any big significant good or bad have lost the plot lol

[Raichu]

2 hours ago, JoJo said:

I find it annoying that liberals expect people to fawn over Kamala just because she's objectively better than Trump. I mean, yes, I'm still voting for Kamala, but I don't have to be enthusiastic about it. Chappell has been very vocal about her support for Palestine, so of course she isn't going to suddenly endorse someone who says Israel has the right to defend itself by slaughtering the people of Gaza  

Very much this.

 

Don't really see why what she's saying is wrong, it is true to say that there are problems on both sides. You don't have to be a moderate to see that this is correct - while its also clear that one side is exponentially worse. That still doesn't mean she needs to endorse and fawn over Kamala. At the end of the day politicians are public servants who are supposed to do their job. We shouldn't be treating them as celebrity in the first place!

 

Side note, her base very much knows she is left on the political spectrum. Anyone who interpreted this as if shes in the middle is an idiot.

[bad guy]

2 hours ago, yonsé said:

no.

 

but NOT condemning the right by "both-sides"-ing the argument is stupid.

 

she takes her whole aesthetic from drag queens. the right wants to OUTLAW drag. why is it so hard to condemn trump? 

 

she just wants to be self-righteous and its very off-putting.

I don't follow her so I don't know all of what she has or hasn't said unless I stumble across a thread on here but from the stuff I've seen from her live shows she has been very vocal against the right-wing. Are people that upset that she also rightfully called out the Biden administration on Israel as well?

 

Her delivery may be a little juvenile but I don't equate calling out the ills of our current administration to not condemning Trump. Her place as an artist is already the antithesis of right-wing ideology.

 

Also back in 2009 Lady Gaga literally went to Capitol Hill and gave a speech demanding Obama to uphold LGBT rights while the alternative to Obama was a Republican Party that was actively trying to outlaw gay marriage completely. Was she also "both sides-ing" or was she, and others within the party, simply holding their representative accountable? If there's always going to be this "shut up and endorse because the other option is worse" rhetoric how will any iota of change ever occur? 

[ebaby]

1 hour ago, Lyrical. said:

Just say "I'm voting for Kamala" & shut up.  Saying a bunch of nothing.

why does she have to say who she is voting for ??? an endorsement shouldn't be forced onto her to make.

 

sounding crazy. 

[Lagerfeld]

Not supporting Kamala IS supporting Trump, right now.

Edited September 25 by Lagerfeld

[Velvet Night]

I get her disillusionment and cynicism with politics and her own fame for that matter. But I feel like celebrities weighing into politics can be pretty fraught especially at such a serious election and whatever they say regarding political, social and economic issues will be (rightfully imo, despite my own ambivalence about celebrity endorsements) scrutinised.

If it were a conversation between friends about her concerns or disillusionment on the political state and future of the US then sure, but talking to millions of followers isn't a conversation or a debate, it's a statement.

I think she needs a publicist or a PR person imo - someone who's job it is to make sure what you're saying will actually translate to the audience you're speaking to. 

[Bosque]

She didn't clarify anything at all? She basically just repeated her previous statement. Not that there's anything wrong with what she said per se.

[Elusive Chanteuse]

Please go away. Everyday it's something else stupid she says lol 

[Thesedays]

7 hours ago, More Than A Melody said:

I'm only gonna reply to you once, so read carefully.

 

One of the largest economies in the world, which owns most of the nuclear weapons in the world, and most of the military bases in the world, is in danger of falling under the dictatorship of a right wing lunatic with no qualms for any sort of human life other than his own, with the IQ of a small ant, and an army of sycophants cheering on anything he says.

 

Because of his rule, a pandemic was made infinitely more deadly, there was a first attempt to end democracy, there's now a severe right leaning on one of the three branches of government (which will probably stay the same for decades to come), children were kept in cages, separated from their parents, women across the board lost a right they'd had for decades, which caused multiple women to die or suffer tremendous pain and life-altering conditions.

 

There's now an explicit plan to end America as you know it, backed up by his team and himself, as much as he tries to deny it. If Donald Trump wins, the world as we know it ends. This isn't me being hyperbolic or exaggerating. It is a fact. The man has already said that "you will only need to vote this once."

 

You running up and down this thread trying to strawman argue the very valid points being brought to you, under the guise of some sort of misguided moral justice, is simply put, ridiculous. Not a single politician on the face of the planet will ever meet the standard you're setting, because the second they get a whiff of power they lose all humanity. You're trying to fine tooth comb your way out of "both sides are bad," and it's just eyeroll inducing to witness.

 

I don't think anyone here is a Kamala Harris stan. They just recognize that one is a flawed politician who will most likely disappoint and the other one is the spawn of Satan, and quite frankly, I much rather not live in actual hell. Thank you.

Concerning that you'd think I would seriously consider the opinion of someone who think "not directly financing genocide and giving a genocidaire country carte blanche" is some impossible standard and a flaw, and that genocide is something that will "disappoint me".

[Thesedays]

6 hours ago, Afterglow said:

Sis yes, wtf are you talking about? Every American administration has contributed directly. Tax payers contribute directly. We have been since the 1940's! Worldwide in fact. It doesn't matter if you live in the USA, China, Isreal, Australia, Pakistan, India, the UK, Palestine. You have contributed to the genocide of millions of black Africans and their enslavement to produce televisions, cell phones, tablets, computers, data center materials, for the WORLD. 

 

Whats your basis for classifying these as "so-called, hypothetical Genocides"? You can't give that your energy becuase you don't give a ****. 

 

You genocide peddlars are literally plants. And literally only care about yourselves. Be quiet! 

 

And idc about a thumbs down. This is facts. 

Insane word salad where you try to obfuscate the Palestinean genocide the candidate you're voting for is responsible for and make clear you don't care about the genocide at all.

[DemDam92]

Lmao she literally said nothing in these 2 min

[Komet]

She'd be better off if she just recreated this tbh

 

 

[Braz]

She wants to be this super smart voice of gen z but she says nothing of importance, can barely formulate a thought and end up standing for nothing. 

[blondeskinnyrich]

some of the responses here are crazy. You clearly still can't follow her advice and use critical thinking.