celeb news Chappell Roan on not endorsing Kamala Harris: "There's problems on both sides"

[Communion]

6 minutes ago, RoughOperator said:

Not at all. Politics is compromise and choices have been made during this campaign. You can express dissense but it's a thing doing it while the best party is in power, it's another when you're risking basically a friggin dictatorship man.

 

I've seen this way of thinking lead to the win of the (basically fascist) far right in my country, which is still currently in power right now. I don't want story to repeat itself in the US as well.

It's funny you should mention the Italian far-right...

 

 

18-year-old TikTok lesbians are not voting for Donald Trump. 

 

Even Joe Biden beat Donald Trump by rallying youth support. Kamala Harris rejecting progressive young people and courting middle aged Never Trump Republicans is her choice. She has chosen what path she thinks she'll most easily defeat Trump with. Harris has decided she doesn't need or want the votes of young progressives.

 

Let her cook if you have so much faith in her!

Edited September 23 by Communion

[Xavi]

She's right not endorsing a genocide politician

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11 hours ago, Slap said:

When you're so left wing you trip over and fall into the hands of the alt right. My god. We need to do whatever we can not to let a fascist government take over. I get it, politics is way too right leaning and the democrats are centrist at best but people need to hang up their political illiteracy and realize if they want even a fraction of their world view to be represented or queer/female/poc rights to be protected they need to be pragmatic about the democratic system and how it works. 
 

So many people who keep talking about genocide have no knowledge of the history of global conflict or even the last 100 years of Israel/Palestine and have just been brainwashed by social media. There's absolutely no depth to their perspective and they are the equivalent of the people posting black squares on Instagram in 2020 because they were bored during the pandemic and really thought they were doing something for BLM.
 

More importantly the US is never going to change its close allyship with Israel for its own selfish and deeply entrenched geopolitical reasons and a bunch of progressives abstaining from voting will not only not change that, but end up opening the floodgates for a right wing dictatorship to come in, take an even more extreme stance against Palestinian people, trans people, women, people of color and so many other marginalized groups.

 

Social media is rotting the discourse on both sides of politics and it is genuinely so scary to watch, progressives are not immune to this and if anything I think are so distracted by the obvious stupidity and heinous discourse amongst the alt right that they don't see how they themselves are quickly descending into an echo chamber full of the same shallow black and white thinking, just with a progressive twist. 
 

For the record she can say whatever she wants and I kind of hate the celebrity endorsement culture in the US but I'm just sharing my opinion on the kind of stance she has. 

I've been saying for over a year now. The far left is indistinguishable from the far right now. Well some word choice may differ, they've become the same bottom feeders of politics.

[Jay07]

1 hour ago, réveuse said:

Kamala Harris is far-right.

Jesus. 

[RoughOperator]

26 minutes ago, Communion said:

It's funny you should mention the Italian far-right...

 

 

18-year-old TikTok lesbians are not voting for Donald Trump. 

 

Even Joe Biden beat Donald Trump by rallying youth support. Kamala Harris rejecting progressive young people and courting middle aged Never Trump Republicans is her choice. She has chosen what path she thinks she'll most easily defeat Trump with. Harris has decided she doesn't need or want the votes of young progressives.

 

Let her cook if you have so much faith in her!

Meloni strategically abided to the US policies of the president in charge (as she would've done whoever it would've been), just like she lowered her tones with the EU. Doesn't make her less of a fascist, and viceversa with Biden it doesn't make him one. I also never said it's a fight between "the perfect progressive ideal force" against the far right, just that they ARE infinitely better and they should win for the sake of the country. If catering to the middle aged is a weapon then yeah, I'll let her cook. That has already happened in other countries and it has helped the left stay afloat in those cases. I wouldn't say it's ideal for sure, but we don't live in an ideal world.

[Jay07]

I mean, if the progressives in question are the same people I see here that have never had a single positive thing to say about Democrats and in fact have spent hundreds of thousands of posts obsessively attacking them and trying to sway people away from voting for them then yes, maybe she's better off catering to someone else since they were never going to vote for her anyway.

Edited September 23 by Jay07

[Rep2000]

1 hour ago, réveuse said:

Kamala Harris is far-right.

 

1 hour ago, réveuse said:

When will it take you to realise that Donald Trump is the lesser evil, not Kamala Harris (hard pill to swallow)?

You have officially completed the Horseshoe Theory thought process. Congratulation. 

 

Holy ****, how dumb can you get? 

[formlessminutiae]

Is she gonna endorse Marianne Williamson next? 

[ZeroSuitBritney]

Some of y'all are SO content with the status quo  Clearly she isn't. Both parties are terrible. Move on.

[Marianah Adkins]

She's a citizen entitled to her vote and its secrecy. No biggie. 

 

My take tho is that the Dems/centrists/liberals should self reflect as to why the Left has always been reluctant allies.

The Dems have done nothing but kick out and kill any momentum for progressive causes and politicians. They have allowed the wholesale destruction of Palestine while preaching liberal BS to the choir. Their actions have shown disdain for the Left and yet now they act entitled to their votes. And please spare the rhetoric about Trump being dangerous, the Left is already in the wilderness anyway being electorally hollowed out while hounded by Mainstream dems for alot of reasons (eg. Israel). They pretty much have nothing to gain nor lose hence they are not as obliged to vote. This also explains why certain users here, annoying and contrarian as they are, have baggages against the Dems. 

 

Kamala must win yes but in order for her to win the Dems need to persuade harder and  (and they are on the right track). If they can persuade neocons like Cheney and Bush, they can persuade the Left to join them against Trump as well (just like in 2020). Treating them like **** and throwing them in the side would only cause loss and no gain for the Dems. 

[aotearoa]

trumplet 

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53 minutes ago, Marianah Adkins said:

She's a citizen entitled to her vote and its secrecy. No biggie. 

 

My take tho is that the Dems/centrists/liberals should self reflect as to why the Left has always been reluctant allies.

The Dems have done nothing but kick out and kill any momentum for progressive causes and politicians. They have allowed the wholesale destruction of Palestine while preaching liberal BS to the choir. Their actions have shown disdain for the Left and yet now they act entitled to their votes. And please spare the rhetoric about Trump being dangerous, the Left is already in the wilderness anyway being electorally hollowed out while hounded by Mainstream dems for alot of reasons (eg. Israel). They pretty much have nothing to gain nor lose hence they are not as obliged to vote. This also explains why certain users here, annoying and contrarian as they are, have baggages against the Dems. 

 

 

Pretty sure they're all gays too, so, yes, they have plenty to lose. They think they're privileged enough to not have anything to lose, but they are wrong. 

[Marianah Adkins]

12 minutes ago, on the line said:

Pretty sure they're all gays too, so, yes, they have plenty to lose. They think they're privileged enough to not have anything to lose, but they are wrong. 

Um I dont think the Left is composed primarily of gays? Gay friendly yes but I dont think that is really their main priority (it varies from LGBT to the economy to Palestine to abortion aka the defining election issue, etc). 

 

Even then, the reluctance of the Left really stems from their dissatisfaction with the Dems' failure to bring home the bacon, the same way that Repugs have done for evangelical KKKristians and fascists. They have constantly voted Blue with diminishing returns on their part (and this is constantly stressed by our favorite contrarians here).

 

It is understandable that Kamala could not concede certain positions for the Left (like the Israel one) due to geopolitical realities but this is a problem that the Dems must resolve without shifting the burden to the voters, particularly the left leaning ones. At the end of the day, a politician is not entitled to anyone's vote. 

 

[Tylerbv]

Both of them suck, but calling Kamala far right is just insane. I don't think she's going to save the country or anything, but as someone who's LGBT or who doesn't hate women, you should clearly be able to see she is the better option. A 0/10 vs. a 2/10 still is a victory for the 2/10. There is no third viable option.

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19 minutes ago, Marianah Adkins said:

Um I dont think the Left is composed primarily of gays? Gay friendly yes but I dont think that is really their main priority (it varies from LGBT to the economy to Palestine to abortion aka the defining election issue, etc). 

 

Even then, the reluctance of the Left really stems from their dissatisfaction with the Dems' failure to bring home the bacon, the same way that Repugs have done for evangelical KKKristians and fascists. They have constantly voted Blue with diminishing returns on their part (and this is constantly stressed by our favorite contrarians here).

 

It is understandable that Kamala could not concede certain positions for the Left (like the Israel one) due to geopolitical realities but this is a problem that the Dems must resolve without shifting the burden to the voters, particularly the left leaning ones. At the end of the day, a politician is not entitled to anyone's vote. 

 

I was referring to the users here as they are primarily gays who have a lot to lose if Trump wins again. I thoughts that what you meant too.

[on the line]

22 minutes ago, Tylerbv said:

Both of them suck, but calling Kamala far right is just insane. I don't think she's going to save the country or anything, but as someone who's LGBT or who doesn't hate women, you should clearly be able to see she is the better option. A 0/10 vs. a 2/10 still is a victory for the 2/10. There is no third viable option.

Agreed. You're either coming from a very privileged or misinformed position if you think otherwise. 

[Marianah Adkins]

4 minutes ago, on the line said:

I was referring to the users here as they are primarily gays who have a lot to lose if Trump wins again. I thoughts that what you meant too.

Ahh I see, well point taken.

 

I do think that most of the users you're pertaining will likely vote for Kamala in the end as they did in the past elections for obvious reasons but they do have valid concerns which is not wrong to point out esp in the civic/politics threads. If they dont want to vote, thats also their choice. 

Anything but them voting for Trump really. Way better scenario now than back in 2016 when you have Trump supporters battling it out in the election threads in this forum 

[Superbitch]

 

 

 

 

 

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[Virgos Groove]

On 9/21/2024 at 8:22 PM, AvadaKedavra said:

But I guess Chappelle's pro-Putin, pro-China authoritarism extremist friends have brainwashed her fully.

"Everyone who is against US foreign policy is a Putin shill."

 

 

Trying to paint a lesbian Midwestern pop star as a China simp is SO funny, I'm sorry.  Can't wait for her next smash singles, My Kink is Democratic Centralism and Good Luck, Xi!

 

On 9/21/2024 at 8:22 PM, AvadaKedavra said:

She'll regret it when she sees the horrible conditions the U.S. will face under Trump. The dictatorship and violence he will bring to the United States.

You mean like... the violence and dictatorship Kamala is helping bring to Gazans, which is very clearly what she's referring to? No Palestinian ever voted to be bombed, occupied and starved.

 

You can't bring up the (very real) threat Trump poses to Americans and ignore the threat the Dems currently pose to millions around the world. Kamala and her supporters are not entitled to blind praise.

Edited September 23 by Virgos Groove

[ForgottenSoul]

One side is clearly worse as someone who claims to be a LGBTQ ally.. so stupid. 

[Virgos Groove]

8 minutes ago, Superbitch said:

 

 

 

 

 

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People keep trying to use this as proof that she's some secret Republican who doesn't add Real Women Vote for Trump to the setlist of her tours only out of fear of backlash, and it's just... not true.

 

Many queer people have conservative families. Those political differences are hard to overcome and can lead to real friction, but they are still family at the end of the day. Her mother and father are not some Tinder date she can ghost after 5 minutes of conversation. Between not speaking to their family again or having some sort of relationship, even if fraught, many queer people choose the latter. And that's their right.

[Superbitch]

8 minutes ago, Virgos Groove said:

People keep trying to use this as proof that she's some secret Republican who doesn't add Real Women Vote for Trump to the setlist of her tours only out of fear of backlash, and it's just... not true.

 

Many queer people have conservative families. Those political differences are hard to overcome and can lead to real friction, but they are still family at the end of the day. Her mother and father are not some Tinder date she can ghost after 5 minutes of conversation. Between not speaking to their family again or having some sort of relationship, even if fraught, many queer people choose the latter. And that's their right.

Yes. But she should STOP talking about politics. She's a queer woman whose aesthetic is that of a drag queen. She's in the spotlight… there's no both sides are the same when it comes to LGBT+ issues. She's been heard and seen. And I'm sure she's aware of that. If she's not gonna vote then just keep it to yourself. At the end of the day she's a white woman after all. 

Edited September 23 by Superbitch

[Virgos Groove]

7 minutes ago, Superbitch said:

She's been heard and seen. And I'm sure she's aware of that. If she's not gonna vote then just keep it to yourself.

Okay, but it's not about being "seen". It's about enacting change.

 

The genocide is still hapenning. Palestinians are still being bombed. The Biden administration is still funding an ethnostate. And Kamala is still refusing to endorse an arms embargo.

 

Sorry if the screams of dying Palestinians are interrupting Kamala's golden path to the White House, but people will continue to protest until she puts a stop to the genocide. End of.

[Communion]

20 minutes ago, Superbitch said:

And I'm sure she's aware of that. If she's not gonna vote then just keep it to yourself

Liberals are so inarticulate that their entire ideology falls apart when pressed with minor criticisms and they end up saying nonsense like this. 

 

Genuinely I can't imagine typing the above and not feeling a sense of guilt and embarrassment at how lacking ability it comes across. 

[AvadaKedavra]

1 hour ago, Virgos Groove said:

"Everyone who is against US foreign policy is a Putin shill."

 

 

 

You can't bring up the (very real) threat Trump poses to Americans and ignore the threat the Dems currently pose to millions around the world. Kamala and her supporters are not entitled to blind praise.

Its time for Jill stein then. Vote jill. She will save us from kamala

Edited September 23 by AvadaKedavra