celeb news Chappell Roan on not endorsing Kamala Harris: "There's problems on both sides"

[surprisecentres]

4 minutes ago, State of Grace. said:

Not your zionist dupe ass again  

Can you please stay on topic? You were asked what Trump would do, something on topic, and instead decided to deflect with these falsehoods.

 

what does not voting for Kamala - a vote for Trump in effect - achieve for Palestinians? He's already supported blowing Gaza off the map

[AvadaKedavra]

I was reading some comments about this backlash online, and this is a bit how I feel about it, as a Latino, and someone with a brother living in the southern USA and highly worried about him and how bad things can get with a trump presidency specially cause he's not american born. He's an inmigrant  



Of course this is  not fully accurate cause white lgbti hennies will suffer, white women and white people from lower income brackets too 
So basically the only ones who will win will be rich-upper class white straight men with his presidency   the rest will suffer

 

Edited September 22 by AvadaKedavra

[Thesedays]

54 minutes ago, surprisecentres said:

Why is whether or not someone is good for Palestinians a conversation for a US general election lol?

Because the US finances their genocide.

 

The fact you even need to ask that shows the problem in US democracy goes much much deeper than Trump.

[Thesedays]

49 minutes ago, mons†er said:

Everytime this individual opens their mouth recently, it has been nothing but fodder and bulls***. I sincerely wish this girl would close her mouth and just sing. 

 

Politics has always been choosing the lesser of 2 evils. Who said either side was a saint?  No politician will ever be for you and what you exclusively stand for 100%. They're all corrupted and have done some really awful things to get to that position. Never thought I would be on the same page with Pharrell but yeah musicians need to quit speaking on politics. 

I love that "no one is a saint" and "no one is perfect" is now used to trivialize a GENOCIDE.

[Wicked]

18 hours ago, réveuse said:

I feel like there is a misunderstanding. Criticism of the Democrats is not a celebration of the Republicans. Also, if she were a centrist, she wouldn't be making this statement; she'd be a Blue MAGA shill for the Democrats. Kamala Harris will not save you. 

This whole thread is full of actual centrists calling her one for being to the left of them. Comical.

[mons†er]

12 minutes ago, Thesedays said:

I love that "no one is a saint" and "no one is perfect" is now used to trivialize a GENOCIDE.

I never trivialized Genocide so please do not project onto me or my response and learn reading comprehension. I clearly stated BOTH sides are awful and I have been against Israel since this whole war. Please find someone else to bore with your inability to comprehend what's being stated.

[Communion]

4 hours ago, Princess Aurora said:

I think you made a point. 67% of the US population supports a ceasefire in Gaza. Why hasn't Kamala's campaign picked it up yet?

 

4 hours ago, Jay07 said:

Kamala literally asked for a ceasefire during the debate.

 

4 hours ago, Princess Aurora said:

So why are they saying she didn't? I remember she mentioned something about a two-state solution

The Biden-Harris admin do not support a ceasefire, have been criticized for trying in the past to change the definition of what a ceasefire is when arguing it could negotiate only a temporary pause in fighting, and have recently as this week admitted they are no longer pursuing one due to the refusal to pressure Israel:

The US is the main financier of the Israeli state and thus one of the main negotiators involved in ceasefire discussions. This means:

1) The US has been vetoing and blocking the UN Security Council from passing ceasefire resolutions

2) The US actually helped to write a UN Security Counsel resolution that passed, that it claimed Israel supported, and which Hamas agreed to

 

 Netanyahu has come out and changed his mind, now rejecting the UN written ceasefire deal, claiming he will not agree to any ceasefire that requires ceasing military operations...

 

So basically Israel does not want a ceasefire. And instead of using the leverage at hand - that US weapons account for almost all deaths in Gaza - Biden+Harris refuse to either install an arms embargo via executive order (what Biden can do right now) or commit to doing so once in office (what Harris could do).

 

 

2 hours ago, Sugar-Rush said:

Kamala is only the VP. Why do y'all act as if she has the power to overrule Biden, the POTUS?

This is a tangible and sad display of ignorance to American history. A VP is not tied to the political aims of their POTUS.

Hubert Humphrey's loss is often attributed to his refusal to break with LBJ until the very last minute on Johnson's deeply unpopular support for bombing Vietnam.

 

 

[Communion]

13 hours ago, ImpressMeMuch said:

instead of saying "there's problems on both sides" maybe she could have said "both sides have the same problem, supporting genocide." 

This is now a different argument than what was first stated. It's shifted from claiming she has one view to now arguing she simply poorly articulated her view.

 

And I would even agree it's better when people are more explicit and clear in what they're talking about, but it also feels disingenuous of a criticism given this thread shows many liberals clearly actually know she's not centrist and resent her for criticizing their candidate from the left on the genocide in Gaza.

 

I mean, you literally have liberals now yelling at anti-war and anti-genocide activists to "shut up and sing":

1 hour ago, mons†er said:

I sincerely wish this girl would close her mouth and just sing.

There's no fundamental difference between the attitude like in the quoted text and this:

[mons†er]

4 minutes ago, Communion said:

This is now a different argument than what was first stated. It's shifted from claiming she has one view to now arguing she simply poorly articulated her view.

 

And I would even agree it's better when people are more explicit and clear in what they're talking about, but it also feels disingenuous of a criticism given this thread shows many liberals clearly actually know she's not centrist and resent her for criticizing their candidate from the left on the genocide in Gaza.

 

I mean, you literally have liberals now yelling at anti-war and anti-genocide activists to "shut up and sing":

There's no fundamental difference between the attitude like in the quoted text and this:

There is a difference, especially when you decided to quote only one part of my response to fit your narrative. 

[Superbitch]

This ***** is ******* weird 

[KOMH]

She's so painfully out of touch. Embarrassing. 

[Princess Aurora]

55 minutes ago, Communion said:

 

 

The Biden-Harris admin do not support a ceasefire, have been criticized for trying in the past to change the definition of what a ceasefire is when arguing it could negotiate only a temporary pause in fighting, and have recently as this week admitted they are no longer pursuing one due to the refusal to pressure Israel:

The US is the main financier of the Israeli state and thus one of the main negotiators involved in ceasefire discussions. This means:

1) The US has been vetoing and blocking the UN Security Council from passing ceasefire resolutions

2) The US actually helped to write a UN Security Counsel resolution that passed, that it claimed Israel supported, and which Hamas agreed to

 

 Netanyahu has come out and changed his mind, now rejecting the UN written ceasefire deal, claiming he will not agree to any ceasefire that requires ceasing military operations...

 

So basically Israel does not want a ceasefire. And instead of using the leverage at hand - that US weapons account for almost all deaths in Gaza - Biden+Harris refuse to either install an arms embargo via executive order (what Biden can do right now) or commit to doing so once in office (what Harris could do).

 

 

This is a tangible and sad display of ignorance to American history. A VP is not tied to the political aims of their POTUS.

Hubert Humphrey's loss is often attributed to his refusal to break with LBJ until the very last minute on Johnson's deeply unpopular support for bombing Vietnam.

 

 

Oh I see. Well, I think the situation between the two countries is a very delicate one which mirrors South Africa or even Ireland in the past, it's nice people are aware of it I believe the Democratic Party could come up with some better solutions instead of doing nothing. However, the problem lies in the Israeli government at this point. The only way to start fixing this would be for Netanyahu to retire or for the US to have some courage and say 'That's it' The Labour government in the UK announced they cut finance to the Israeli government or even Ireland, Spain, Norway that recognized Palestine as a state. Also, how on earth did he get back If they voted him out years ago? 

Edited September 22 by Princess Aurora

[Patient Zero]

Ugh at the people siding with Roan because of the Palestine situation. Wake the fukin up or take your MAGA hat down.

 

What's the better choice:

- Voting for a candidate that supports Israel, is pro women rights, is pro LGBTQ rights, wants to defend minorities
- Voting for a candidate that supports Israel, is anti women , is anti LGBTQ and anti minorities
- not voting and giving the canditate that supports Israel, hates women, hates LGBTQ and minorities the chance to become the president

 

Both are pro-Israel, but one wants to take us back to the middle-ages. What's so hard to understand, stupid fukkers??

 

 

Edited September 22 by Patient Zero

[Aden]

I was initially so excited for Chappell's rise given her artistry and music but the more I learn about her as a person (between this assinine political view in 2024 and how she's generally navigated fame) has completely turned me off from her work.  

[Aden]

2 hours ago, mons†er said:

Everytime this individual opens their mouth recently, it has been nothing but fodder and bulls***. I sincerely wish this girl would close her mouth and just sing. 

 

Politics has always been choosing the lesser of 2 evils. Who said either side was a saint?  No politician will ever be for you and what you exclusively stand for 100%. They're all corrupted and have done some really awful things to get to that position. Never thought I would be on the same page with Pharrell but yeah musicians need to quit speaking on politics. 

We seriously need public figures to go back to speaking on their domains of expertise, in this case Chappel sticking to music. Fans and their parasocial relationships in combination with the proliferation of social media has them thinking their faves gotta use their platforms and speak out on everything when that is simply not always as productive as one would think.

 

The fact that they need to get geopolitical and sociopolitical takes from the likes of Dua Lipa and Selena Gomez is just

[XAMJ]

Oh she's voting Trump 

[Aria0327]

she needs to get some media training cause why is she sabotaging her career in every interview 

[Barovi]

This is what people say when a) they're uneducated or b)secretly support the right 

[MattieB]

LMAO spoken like a true white woman

[HANZ94]

She is stupid 

[ImpressMeMuch]

1 hour ago, Communion said:

This is now a different argument than what was first stated. It's shifted from claiming she has one view to now arguing she simply poorly articulated her view.

 

No, it is not. My original issue was about her not expressing clear intent to vote in the defense of a group her career is built off of (drag & queer). I did later misspeak when I said "not voting", that wasn't intended to be a claim she is not, but rather one COULD draw that assumption from her statement - hence a need for a more clear statement. 
 

I am (obviously) not in support of anything saying anything near what you go on to discuss. 

[Maroonx]

lol, what a waste of a vote x

[AlbumOfTheYear]

How nice of her to be able to "both sides" the issue. Smells of white priviledge

[Communion]

1 hour ago, mons†er said:

There is a difference, especially when you decided to quote only one part of my response to fit your narrative. 

"No, you see, it's progressive when I as a liberal tell anti-war activists to shut up and sing when criticizing the politician I support who slaughters Muslim children"

 

?

 

Surely it's easy to see your words are being taken at face value when you're liking posts like this:

59 minutes ago, Patient Zero said:

Ugh at the people siding with Roan because of the Palestine situation. Wake the fukin up or take your MAGA hat down.

 

What's the better choice:

- Voting for a candidate that supports Israel, is pro women rights, is pro LGBTQ rights, wants to defend minorities
- Voting for a candidate that supports Israel, is anti women , is anti LGBTQ and anti minorities
- not voting and giving the canditate that supports Israel, hates women, hates LGBTQ and minorities the chance to become the president

 

Both are pro-Israel, but one wants to take us back to the middle-ages. What's so hard to understand, stupid fukkers??

It's fine to vote for Kamala, but liberals find themselves unable to actually articulate what material harm and ignorant to the material harm Kamala advocates for.

 

Why is Kamala Harris promoting a far-right immigration bill that even immigration rights advocates call a Republican bill?

I just think it's insane to argue people are in the wrong for asking Harris to stop advocating for things like family separations and mass expulsions of undocumented immigrants.

[Relampago.]

Chappell has her heart in the right place, I know that's hard for people to grasp but supporting genocide is a line that some people draw in spite of the effects that not voting for Harris might have. It falls upon the Harris campaign to do better to earn people like Chappell's votes, and if they feel they do not need them to win then that is their plan and Chappell and others do not owe anyone a vote.

 

That being said, she's also just a nightmare of a person when it comes to answering questions. This really does come across as a privileged white, queer woman throwing people under the bus. It would have been sufficient to say her music speaks for itself and she believes in her fans and the country to make the right choice for themselves and others without her injecting her opinion into it all. 

 

But no, much like her comment about people "on the coast" not understanding what it's like to experience having conservative family and friends (genuinely such an ignorant comment that reeks of self-righteousness and martyrdom) she decided to put her foot in her mouth again and hold back the movement she wants to be supporting. No strategy or gain here, just self-righteousness and it's pretty clear that's all she'll ever offer until she learns better.