charts discussion Katy Perry - 143 | Spotify Global: N/A, Day 6: 3.47M

[Sannie]

She spent the last few years telling us to "get ready" and that she was "going to slay" or "unstan herself if she flops" or "if you can't accept me at my whatever then you don't deserve me at my KP6 or whatever album this is"... She so very clearly thought this album and its music were going to demolish the charts and put her back on top.

 

And to me, that is the biggest issue. How do you spend years on this music and think, "yes, this will be what people want"? That level of poor taste and decision making is unfixable. It's a sign that you have zero artistic juice left, if you even had any to begin with. It's a sign that you've failed to keep up with anything during your off years. 

[Funnyfatty]

1 minute ago, Sannie said:

She spent the last few years telling us to "get ready" and that she was "going to slay" or "unstan herself if she flops" or "if you can't accept me at my whatever then you don't deserve me at my KP6 or whatever album this is"... She so very clearly thought this album and its music were going to demolish the charts and put her back on top.

 

And to me, that is the biggest issue. How do you spend years on this music and think, "yes, this will be what people want"? That level of poor taste and decision making is unfixable. It's a sign that you have zero artistic juice left, if you even had any to begin with. It's a sign that you've failed to keep up with anything during your off years. 

I remember reading something like "The Emancipation Of Mimi"  

 

GIRL. That comeback happens one in a million. 

[Truth Teller]

1 minute ago, Funnyfatty said:

I remember reading something like "The Emancipation Of Mimi"  

 

GIRL. That comeback happens one in a million. 

The thing is, you need to have a huge fanbase that is willing to pull you up and out of the trenches. That's why Mariah was able to survive Glitter, why Madonna came back from Erotica, why Gaga's career didn't completely end with ARTPOP, why even Miley sustained herself after Dead Petz - Younger Now. Katy does not have a fanbase

 

I actually think her ridiculous 2017 floppery and the damage control she's been trying to do since (and of course the shameless pandering to us) kind of created a tiny bit of a casual fanbase. Like, sis sold those vinyls somehow. I don't think those are the people who downloaded Roar and Part of Me on iTunes 12 years ago. I think it's the f*gs she snatched along the way, past her prime. But they're not a big enough crowd to help her out, especially when she does everything wrong 

[Bends]

It seems to me that she has some kind of fan base at the guilty pleasure level. My friend and I have known each other for 12 years, and we used to discuss it often.

 

Now we are listening to alternative music and electronics, and we are happy to discuss her old songs and flop novelties.

[Hot Volcano]

NRO was her last good song that had smash potential but her and her label never really milked it

[Cheetos]

[Truth Teller]

22 minutes ago, Bends said:

It seems to me that she has some kind of fan base at the guilty pleasure level.

Wait... what if that's her actual core audience and she keeps making a fool of herself on purpose to entertain them

 

 

[Bey_Rihstan]

3 hours ago, nadiamendell said:

There is absolutely no way Capitol will allow her to release another album after this. 
 

Katy the indie artiste coming soon! 

sdjljl

 

There's literally nobody on Capitol for them to completely shut her out but I doubt if she ever gets a budget again 

[TaylorsSquad]

Here for Katy to say she was in a bad place when she recorded 143 for her next album campaign 

[Doctor Dick]

All this wouldn't have been so brutal had the Kats not attacked and humiliated Gaga and the Little Monsters for years post-Roar vs. Applause. At least Gaga still has fans and demand. 

 

And we know how into charts Katy is. So this must hurt. 

[Bends]

10 minutes ago, Truth Teller said:

Wait... what if that's her actual core audience and she keeps making a fool of herself on purpose to entertain them

 

 

I seriously think she has a lot of fans who are interested in her music at the level of "I like rap, and Katy Perry is cool from pop music." But this proportion of people will not delve into any scandals and details, as practice shows. They won't buy the album either.

Edited September 21 by Bends

[Doctor Dick]

1 hour ago, Funnyfatty said:

The most streamed song of the album did less than JUDAS  

 

The whole albums total is lower than Dawn Of Chromatica  

 

Oh Katy, you LOST but you also lost your DIGNITY. At least you could have flopped with class but NO. You collabed with a RAPIST and NO ONE wants you back again. Over and GONE. Bye BI TCH

Gaga may have lost the Roar vs. Applause battle but Katy lost the applauses while Gaga is still roaring (pun intended). 

 

1 hour ago, Truth Teller said:

The thing is, you need to have a huge fanbase that is willing to pull you up and out of the trenches. That's why Mariah was able to survive Glitter, why Madonna came back from Erotica, why Gaga's career didn't completely end with ARTPOP, why even Miley sustained herself after Dead Petz - Younger Now. Katy does not have a fanbase

 

I actually think her ridiculous 2017 floppery and the damage control she's been trying to do since (and of course the shameless pandering to us) kind of created a tiny bit of a casual fanbase. Like, sis sold those vinyls somehow. I don't think those are the people who downloaded Roar and Part of Me on iTunes 12 years ago. I think it's the f*gs she snatched along the way, past her prime. But they're not a big enough crowd to help her out, especially when she does everything wrong 

She had fans/stans from the get-go, especially after TD. But she didn't have a strong enough bond to them and lost them underway. The ones buying the vinyl are the ones that are left. 

[Venice B]

This is better than I expected tbh  

[If U Seek Amy]

I don't think the album is as bad as people make it seem and there is definitely excessive hate against her (especially the only follows successful people group), but the numbers absolutely do not lie. This is not a situation where you can just claim Twitter users are out of touch with reality sadly for her. I understand not everything is about success and numbers, but it's obvious that is what Katy wants so that can't be ignored. 
 

If she ever wants to have a shot in her life again at success she needs a new label, new team, needs to not disappear for years at a time constantly, work with modern producers, have a proper PR team, genuinely work on her song writing, etc. One thing Katy still hasn't grasped is when she got big that vapid sounding superficial pop and personality were big, that is no longer the case. People crave authenticity (even if that authenticity is fake but portrayed in a believable way). 

 

I love Katy but even if you take the "it's not that serious it's a fun album" route that isn't helping her success. Many albums are brainless fun albums and don't do this poorly. I understand her priority is likely her family, not social media and trends and such. But you can't ignore the world but then want to profit off of it successfully while being so out of touch. As a long time Katy fan post Prism it has long annoyed me how lazy she is in terms of her music and career. As much as it would make me sad if this is the extent of what she is willing to do she should absolutely just retire and stick to little gigs here and there. Maybe a legacy tour later in life if she wants. I'm still gonna enjoy the album here and there, but again, she clearly aimed for success and failed and it's very obvious why from the start and it's annoying her and her team are somehow surprised by this

[wastedpotential]

2 minutes ago, If U Seek Amy said:

I don't think the album is as bad as people make it seem and there is definitely excessive hate against her (especially the only follows successful people group), but the numbers absolutely do not lie. This is not a situation where you can just claim Twitter users are out of touch with reality sadly for her. I understand not everything is about success and numbers, but it's obvious that is what Katy wants so that can't be ignored. 
 

 

I can't speak for the others here, but I'm choosing to enjoy her continued downfall because of this 

 

 

She's earned every single lick she's getting, and I'm glad to see it 

 

Time, the ultimate truth teller 

 

 

[Dual Lips]

Time, the ultimate truth teller.

 

[Doctor Dick]

Funfact: Even if Gaga was only responsible for 10 percent of DWAS' daily streams it would still be more than the most-streamed Katy song from her new album 

[Trash]

Her biggest talent is the consistency of this era

 

[Orsay]

Honestly, reminiscing on Katy in her peak, this just makes me sad :/

 

I do hope the floppage isn't getting to her, but I also hope she gets the message that this kind of pop music is no longer her place. She should retire from it and maybe do some acoustic, pop rock Warped tour kind of stuff that she started out with if she wants to continue making music for the love of it. She'll always be rich, she has a gorgeous husband and family, she'll be ok but mainstream pop music just isn't her game anymore and she's doing herself a disservice by continuing to try to make it happen

[Iaintsorry]

28 minutes ago, If U Seek Amy said:

I don't think the album is as bad as people make it seem and there is definitely excessive hate against her (especially the only follows successful people group), but the numbers absolutely do not lie. This is not a situation where you can just claim Twitter users are out of touch with reality sadly for her. I understand not everything is about success and numbers, but it's obvious that is what Katy wants so that can't be ignored. 
 

If she ever wants to have a shot in her life again at success she needs a new label, new team, needs to not disappear for years at a time constantly, work with modern producers, have a proper PR team, genuinely work on her song writing, etc. One thing Katy still hasn't grasped is when she got big that vapid sounding superficial pop and personality were big, that is no longer the case. People crave authenticity (even if that authenticity is fake but portrayed in a believable way). 

 

I love Katy but even if you take the "it's not that serious it's a fun album" route that isn't helping her success. Many albums are brainless fun albums and don't do this poorly. I understand her priority is likely her family, not social media and trends and such. But you can't ignore the world but then want to profit off of it successfully while being so out of touch. As a long time Katy fan post Prism it has long annoyed me how lazy she is in terms of her music and career. As much as it would make me sad if this is the extent of what she is willing to do she should absolutely just retire and stick to little gigs here and there. Maybe a legacy tour later in life if she wants. I'm still gonna enjoy the album here and there, but again, she clearly aimed for success and failed and it's very obvious why from the start and it's annoying her and her team are somehow surprised by this

There's so many things you can criticize Katy for, but being lazy is not one of them. She still promotes in this current digital age and does so more than any other pop girl. 
 

She did a ton of promo for this cycle, almost to the point it ended up being worse for the album than good. 
 

 

[4th Time Around]

She can't even manage better debut streaming numbers than Charli XCX or a Gaga remix album

 

This has got to be one of the most horrific flop eras from a big name artist I have ever seen

[_Fey]

Yeah, I feel like lazy is the wrong term to describe Katy. DUMB is more accurate. Katy and her team seem to be unable to grasp what made her popular in the first place, and keep trying to court the wrong demographics.

 

The more I think about, the more I'm stunned they thought a vapid eurodance album with Y2K aesthetics is how Katy will win her audience back.

[frankgutz]

8 hours ago, Blackout2006 said:

Wait, so you're telling me Katy is going to perform worse than Xtina? Girl, how do you out-flop the STANDARD? 

[kellebrity98]

the 30ish Metacritic score is accurate saddly. only truth, all the love had replay value to me.

[josesuxx]

JOYRIDE outstreamed 7/11 songs let's make it 11/11 by Monday!