YourFavoriteWeapon Posted September 15 Posted September 15 (edited) I want to preface this by saying that I'm not an ORH in the slightest. I went to the Last Girl on Earth Tour, have over 6k plays for the good sis, own a few of her albums of vinyl, and always used my Sephora employee discount on Fenty Skin. However, her decision to invite Johnny Depp to model for her Fenty show months after the courtroom debacle he had with Amber Heard showcased his abusive tendencies always rubbed me the wrong way. There is a dark irony to Rihanna unabashedly and proudly associating with someone like Johnny and you'd think she would have more sympathy and solidarity with Amber, someone went through the same stuff she went through with Chris (but worse given that it was for a prolonged period versus a one-off-incident and included sexual and financial abuse). Even Olly Alexander of Years & Years publicly lambasted Rihanna after her association with Depp made the headlines and caused many people to point out her hypocrisy for working with a court-certified wife beater despite being a victim of physical abuse herself. Do you think Miss Fenty deserved more flack for knowingly showing support to a man with a history of being physically, verbally, mentally, and financially abusive to women? I personally do and find it a bit puzzling that a lot of the members here (rightfully) dragging Katy for working with Dr. Luke are donning Rihanna avatars when both men are equally as terrible and abusive to women. Edited September 15 by YourFavoriteWeapon 1
Doctor Dick Posted September 15 Posted September 15 (edited) If you were being harassed and abused by someone and you met up in a room with them and they were saying you were abusing them you would not hesitate too long before proclaiming "but you are abusing me too". If an abuser who physically harmed you accuses you of physically harming him/her you accuse them back. Well, when Amber and Depp were in that same situation and Depp was accusing Amber of physically harming him and hitting him not once in that loooooong recording did Amber ever once proclaim he was hitting her as well. Instead she opted to call him a cry-baby and a weak man because he was running away from her. And that is where I draw the line. So while Johnny is an abuser, Amber was as well and therefore do NOT use Rihanna as an example because she never did anything to Chris. She was a victim of abuse not a abuser as well the way Amber clearly is. Edited September 15 by Doctor Dick 1
glitch Posted September 15 Posted September 15 (edited) Yes but so did every celeb who supported him or made fun of Amber Heard. Rita Ora and Perrie from Little Mix spring to mind Edited September 15 by glitch 2
YourFavoriteWeapon Posted September 15 Author Posted September 15 3 minutes ago, Doctor Dick said: Well, when Amber and Depp were in that same situation and Depp was accusing Amber of physically harming him and hitting him not once in that loooooong recording did Amber ever once proclaim he was hitting her as well. Instead she opted to call him a cry-baby and a weak man because he was running away from her. And that is where I draw the line. So while Johnny is an abuser, Amber was as well and therefore do NOT use Rihanna as an example because she never did anything to Chris. She was a victim of abuse not a abuser as well the way Amber clearly is. Amber was reacting to the abuse that Johnny was inflicting on her and releasing pent up rage after being raped and beaten for years. No credible domestic violence organization deems "mutual abuse" to be a real thing.
Doctor Dick Posted September 15 Posted September 15 1 minute ago, glitch said: Yes but so did every celeb who supported him or made fun of Amber Heard. Rita Ora and Perrie from Little Mix spring to mind They mocked her because she's an abuser as well and there are recordings of her admitting to that. Not court documents, not hear-say. A recording of her admitting to hitting Johnny. 1 1
GoodGuyGoneGhetto Posted September 15 Posted September 15 (edited) Well, Rihanna, as a cultural icon, is in completely different territory to Katy Perry. Anyway, Rihanna was praised by many people for supporting Johnny Depp (Depp supporters), and she was disliked by others for supporting him (Herd supporters). All in all, who cares? She clearly saw him as a victim and that's that. We all have our own opinions. Edited September 15 by GoodGuyGoneGhetto 2 2
Doctor Dick Posted September 15 Posted September 15 Just now, YourFavoriteWeapon said: Amber was reacting to the abuse that Johnny was inflicting on her and releasing pent up rage after being raped and beaten for years. No credible domestic violence organization deems "mutual abuse" to be a real thing. In that aforementioned recording she never once mentions he's abusing her, instead she mocks him from running away from her when she's hitting HIM. Why?
Relampago. Posted September 15 Posted September 15 Absolutely. She gets away with a lot of things other pop stars would never get away with, from racist remarks about Asian women to defending abusers. I don't care if Amber was an abuser too, that doesn't make picking a side any better. I also don't care if Rih was once a victim herself in this instance cause it doesn't justify showing such open support for an abusive man, especially when he basically got off free and Amber was being crucified in the way Johnny should have been as well. Rih will always be my #1 all-time fave, but she's not perfect. It's actually very disappointing that she gets a pass for so many things. I know she's a sweet girl at heart, but that doesn't excuse her from criticisms and critiques. 3
YourFavoriteWeapon Posted September 15 Author Posted September 15 (edited) 16 minutes ago, GoodGuyGoneGhetto said: Well, Rihanna, as a cultural icon, is in completely different territory to Katy Perry. Anyway, Rihanna was praised by many people for supporting Johnny Depp (Depp supporters), and she was disliked by others for supporting him (Herd supporters). All in all, who cares? She clearly saw him as a victim and that's that. We all have our own opinions. We should? She's one of the biggest stars who decided to show support for a man who we know enacted physical, sexual, mental, verbal, and financial abuse against a woman for years and was responsible for ruining her life and putting both her and her child in danger by dragging her to court instead of leaving her the **** alone. I can't believe being so nonchalant about one of the biggest stars making a statement showcasing that she's okay with men who do THIS: Edited September 15 by YourFavoriteWeapon 2
GoodGuyGoneGhetto Posted September 15 Posted September 15 (edited) 34 minutes ago, Relampago. said: I don't care if Amber was an abuser too, that doesn't make picking a side any better. This makes no damn sense because in situations like these, a side will ALWAYS be chosen. In this circumstance, she chose to support Depp. Also, the fact that you're completely dismissing the fact that she, herself, was a victim of abuse and yet to decided to pick the side of whom she believed the victim is completely paradoxical. By that logic, those who have clearly shown love and support to Chris Brown all these years are completely justified too because, let's face it, according to them, Rihanna was the abuser and instigator and he was and remains the victim (despite his history and present behaviours). Please spare me. Also, what "asian woman" was Rihanna making fun of? Karrueche Tran, the same woman who 1) xenephobically mocked her natural Bajan accent, 2) made fun of her natural afro hair and features and 3) was once liking fake articles on IG about her having given "multiple men" in the industry STD's as well as posts about her coming to the states on a coconut boat? Thank God both women have grown up, forgiven each-other and moved on. Edited September 15 by GoodGuyGoneGhetto 1 1
Blue Monday Posted September 15 Posted September 15 She absolutely did, it was a nasty move on her part and honestly really disappointed me as a fan.
Relampago. Posted September 15 Posted September 15 1 minute ago, GoodGuyGoneGhetto said: This makes no damn sense because in situations like these, a side will ALWAYS be chosen. In this circumstance, she chose to support Depp. Also, the fact that you're completely dismissing the fact that she, herself, was a victim of abuse and yet to decided to pick the side of whom she believed the victim is completely paradoxical. By that logic, those who have clearly shown love and support to Chris Brown all these years are completely justified too because, let's face it, according to them, Rihanna was the abuser and instigator and he was and remains the victim (despite his history and present behaviours). Please spare me. Also, what "asian woman" was Rihanna making fun of? Karrueche Chan, the same woman who 1) xenephobically mocked her natural Bajan accent, 2) made fun of her natural hair and 3) was once liking fake articles on IG about her having given "multiple men" in the industry STD's as well as posts about her coming to the states on a coconut boat? Thank God both women have grown up, forgiven each-other and moved on. What the— You do not HAVE to pick a side No one FORCED anyone, especially not Rih, to invite an abuser to her event and I'd have the same reaction if she invited Amber. She could have minded her own business and remained neutral like a regular person. That third paragraph just might be the most Post I've ever seen on this site Rih being a victim doesn't mean she gets to determine who's right and wrong without criticisms, especially when she herself was not present in the room with any of these events and the court case pretty much showed both of them were awful. No one gets special access to making a call on events that don't involve them at all, she should have sat down and ate her food. If she wants to stand up for domestic violence victims in general, then sure, but showing support to a very rich, white man who is also an abuser is not some act of heroism and generosity. I don't even know what you're trying to say with the Chris Brown thing, people who support him are nasty and trashy too. And again, I didn't defend Karrueche, I only called out Rih, the topic of this thread. Doesn't make what either of them did right. It's pretty clear you see things in black and white and feel the need to choose sides rather than look at the nuances of a situation and make the call that, perhaps, there are no innocent parties in this situation and no one should be praised but instead should be criticized, including Rih. Once you're able to approach serious topics such as domestic violence and support for those who commit it, then perhaps we can have a discussion about why Rih chose to support an abuser despite being a victim of DV herself. But this is not a stanning topic for me, this is expressing my disappointment with my otherwise wholesome fave when she has failed to make a good decision on a very important subject. 3
patchwerk Posted September 15 Posted September 15 1 hour ago, YourFavoriteWeapon said: you'd think she would have more sympathy and solidarity with Amber, someone went through the same stuff she went through with Chris (but worse given that it was for a prolonged period versus a one-off-incident and included sexual and financial abuse). Using the extent of someone's abuse to invalidate another's? This look isn't as cute as you think it is, delete mama.
patchwerk Posted September 15 Posted September 15 1 hour ago, YourFavoriteWeapon said: Even this Khia of Flop City publicly lambasted Rihanna Fixed 4 u
Pepo Posted September 15 Posted September 15 She's not the brightest when it comes to this. Remember Birthday Cake remix and the Unapologetic era? A mess.
YourFavoriteWeapon Posted September 15 Author Posted September 15 3 minutes ago, patchwerk said: Using the extent of someone's abuse to invalidate another's? This look isn't as cute as you think it is, delete mama. Where did I "invalidate" hers? I just said you'd think Rihanna would find some sympathy for Amber given that she was not only beaten by Johnny MULTIPLE times but also raped, drugged, mentally abused, verbally abused, financially abused, and out through a court case with the intent to ruin and humiliate her. 1
anastaciabby Posted September 16 Posted September 16 (edited) all these essays, love rih but the hypocrisy with her here is crazy, especially for the stans that still run to any thread to call it dumb when it relates to her. being a billionaire is still being a billionaire, and she hops on any endorsement for cash, which she seems to be the only one who doesn't get called out for all that here, her wearing shirts of r Kelly and other abusers, having Depp in her show and various other things. as a DV victim myself and her being one as well, I don't get how she is like this with these abusers Edited September 16 by anastaciabby
anastaciabby Posted September 16 Posted September 16 (edited) 2 hours ago, AvadaKedavra said: Yes. And dont forget: Gaga : Worked with nicola formichetti in chromatica (sexual assualt allegations) and didnt care about the abuses of her dancer richy jackson to the rest of her dancer crew Taylor : worked with david o rusell (very problematic), is still friends with lena dunham (There's a pic of both havin dinner in 2022) (she's a pervert) and Beyonce-Jay z were good friends with The Dream-Diddy So basically katy is not the only problematic one but people are selective about their outrage this is so vapid but can't say I'm shocked having seen some of the other posts you've written also nice way to try to sneak in Katy for no reason as if she isn't still actively supporting and platforming that rapist Edited September 16 by anastaciabby
AvadaKedavra Posted September 16 Posted September 16 (edited) 27 minutes ago, anastaciabby said: this is so vapid but can't say I'm shocked having seen some of the other posts you've written also nice way to try to sneak in Katy for no reason as if she isn't still actively supporting and platforming that rapist You're right, this is a Rihanna thread, not Katy. I Just Deleted my comment. There's no need for more conversations about Katy cause she's her own worst enemy. If she keeps working and defending luke her career will never recover. I think you've got me mixed up with someone else. My posts barely get any attention here. Nobody knows me; I'm just another random, unknown member. One of the least recognized members here Even my username isn't memorable. God bless on your journey, baby boy-girl. ---------------------------------------- As for the OP, I think all the pop girls should get called out more when they mess up. They get entitled with all their power-wealth and need to be more humble and human Edited September 16 by AvadaKedavra
xxxlamb Posted September 16 Posted September 16 to this day i don't understand how anyone is on Amber's side 2
dumbsparce Posted September 16 Posted September 16 No one cares who was the biggest abuser out of the 2 of them. I never followed the case too closely but that's the general consensus from what I'm seeing. Rih just wanted to support her friend.
YourFavoriteWeapon Posted September 16 Author Posted September 16 6 minutes ago, xxxlamb said: to this day i don't understand how anyone is on Amber's side Because the UK trial proved that Johnny abused her on multiple occasions and every women and domestic abuse organization supported Amber. Johnny was the real abuser, it was never only Amber and the only "abuse" she enacted was reactive abusive after getting beaten and raped for years.
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