base talk did Madonna outlast all her peers?

[Blackout2006]

In the explosive pop scene of the 1980s, MTV, the Sony Walkman, and the growing fan fellowship of music celebrities made pop acts into pop stars whose personas were so enamouring and attractive. Many such artists, such as Michael Jackson, Madonna, Prince, Cyndi Lauper, and George Michael, came out at this time and changed the pop landscape but the 1990s proved to be a more unstable decade for them.

MJ remained a cherished icon but he was embroiled in multiple scandals and controversies that marred the flawless name he held at the peak of his career (Thriller). Prince retreated from the mainstream and had lots of label struggles. After 1991, none of his releases made a strong foothold in pop culture like Purple Rain or Batman.

After her second album, Cyndi Lauper also had no interest in keeping her name under the limelight, going on to pave her path of following her artistry over the charts. George Michael enjoyed lots of success in the late 1990s but also became very controversial at this time, and his record label disputes put a harsh halt to his commercial power in the late 1980s. 

After the 1990s, these artists dipped into preserving their legacies and did make music but they did not dominate the youth's interest.

Like her peers, the 1990s was also a walk of hot coal Madonna had to walk through but she came out of the decade with her biggest album since 1989, which was Ray of Light. The album revitalized her image in front of the media, and 'Frozen' ingrained her artistry into the legacy of her career as the Queen of Pop. She shattered all jokes of her being a washed-up pop star, with the album selling over 17 million copies WW and earning her three Grammy awards, putting her only behind HIStory by Michael Jackson as the best-selling album amongst her peers in the latter portion of the decade (1995-2000). However, the reign of her comeback would not end. At the turn of the millennium, she released her album Music which housed the massive title track hit, which went #1 in 25 countries and was one of the biggest hits that year. Don't Tell Me was released as a follow-up success and did not fail to smash, making Madonna tie with the Beatles for the most number of top ten hit singles on the Billboard Hot 100. The album itself was a massive commercial success, selling over 4 million copies WW in its first 10 days. She was doing this 20 years into her career btw. American Life may have been a dip in success but she immediately returned with Confessions on a Dancefloor which does not need any explanation, her parents 'Hung Up' is one of her biggest hits of all time, let alone the 2000s. 28 years later, she'd embark on the highest-grossing female tour of all time, and bag another hit with 4 Minutes.

 

While the 2010s were a bit harsh on her sales, her 2011 album opened with sales that paralleled the contemporary artists of that period, and her Superbowl kept her name in discussions. Fast forward 14 years later, she collaborated with Playboi Carti and The Weeknd, two of some of Gen Z's biggest artists on the song 'Popular' which became yet another massive hit for her.  

My point is while her peers may have enjoyed commercial success after the 1980s, it wasn't to the extent of being neck to neck with the young artists who were joining the music scene every year (except MJ). Meanwhile, Madonna was still considered "competition" for all the new artists coming out in the late 90s and early 00s such as Britney Spears, who was the top popstar of the period even if she debuted one or two generations apart. 43 years later, she earned herself yet another hit, and her concert in Brazil amassed over 1.6 million attendees

Can it be concluded that she truly outlasted all of her peers? DISCUSS

[KKCuteCat]

the post is too long.

 

 

But yeah, Maddie is more successful than her peers for sure but Celine Dion is still a touring force and her albums are still successful in some countries such ash France. 

[tost1]

1 minute ago, KKCuteCat said:

the post is too long.

It's longer than Madonna's career

Edited Sunday at 09:42 AM by tost1

[4th Time Around]

Madonna did not just outlast her peers, you could even argue she outlasted some of the second wave popstars. Of course eventually her days of having big eras came to an end because even a pop artist of Madonna's caliber has a limit in terms of mainstream commercial success

 

There is absolutely no denying the incredible scale of her achievements, especially considering the fact that she first exploded in a time when the industry was even more ageist than it is today. There are very few artists who I respect more than Madonna, both in terms of her massive influence on the future trajectory of pop culture and the fact that she remained commercially relevant long past the shelf life of a popstar 

Edited Sunday at 09:46 AM by 4th Time Around

[Démodé]

She has outlasted 90s and early 00s pop stars. She is the blueprint, no-one else has reached her yet.

[mike_int]

[ChooseyLover]

Her name alone is engraved in everyone's minds. She's the legitimate Queen of Pop forever and it shows when she visits every country on tour, sells out and local news all around the world talk about it.

 

However, I wish there was quality or any redeeming quality in her recent music. If it was up to what she's putting out these past few years, she would be done.

[HardBambi]

8 minutes ago, ChooseyLover said:

Her name alone is engraved in everyone's minds. She's the legitimate Queen of Pop forever and it shows when she visits every country on tour, sells out and local news all around the world talk about it.

 

However, I wish there was quality or any redeeming quality in her recent music. If it was up to what she's putting out these past few years, she would be done.

Unfortunately you're spot on

 

However I still hope she has one more good album in her

[LittleStarmen]

All her peers are not even alive anymore...

[Charmed Life]

4 minutes ago, LittleStarmen said:

All her peers are not even alive anymore...

Janet Jackson, Cyndi Lauper and Celine Dion are all still very much alive.

 

[Badgalbriel]

Sis. This is a simple yes question. You didn't need to put all that effort into that essay that we won't read 

[Cain]

Well yes!

[Bloodflowers.]

Yes!

 

She outlasted 80s fads such as Stacey Q, Debbie Gibson, Paula Abdul and Tiffany

 

90s fads such as Spice Girls, Jessica Simpson, Mandy Moore and Lisa Loeb

 

2000s fads such as Stacie Orrico, Christina Milian, Michelle Branch and Natasha Bedingfield 

 

Her longevity and changing different peers is incredible 

 

[mons†er]

 

39 minutes ago, Charmed Life said:

Janet Jackson, Cyndi Lauper and Celine Dion are all still very much alive.

 

this.  Sade as well. 

[Princess Aurora]

Well she once said that

 

[Neyde]

yes

[holyground13]

Yes, but I think that Kylie's longevity rivals her, however Kylie doesn't quite have the worldwide impact Madonna has had.

[LittleStarmen]

2 hours ago, Charmed Life said:

Janet Jackson, Cyndi Lauper and Celine Dion are all still very much alive.

 

Janet and Celine are not her peers they are a generation 90s after and 10 years younger.

Cindy was only her peer during the Virgin era

 

53 minutes ago, holyground13 said:

Yes, but I think that Kylie's longevity rivals her, however Kylie doesn't quite have the worldwide impact Madonna has had.

Kylie only got notoriety as an artist in 2000 beforehand she was a Aussie act. And she years 10 or plus years youngers.

[MP3]

While some younger artists are way more popular than her nowadays, Madonna is still at the top of the pyramid, being the central figure of pop music since more than 40 years. I can't name a person lasting that long while staying on top. For sure she's not selling albums, singles and tickets as much as she used to, but her star power never faded and she's still regarded as the highest achiever among her peers. Madonna did really paved the way to any pop artists alive today and their works are in a way a continuation of what Madonna set in place

 

As other said I really think Céline is the next one in the chain in therm of success level and longevity, her star power never faded since the very early 90's and apart Madonna, Dion is for sure the most talked and relevant veteran out there

[holyground13]

6 minutes ago, LittleStarmen said:

Janet and Celine are not her peers they are a generation 90s after and 10 years younger.

Cindy was only her peer during the Virgin era

 

Kylie only got notoriety as an artist in 2000 beforehand she was a Aussie act. And she years 10 or plus years youngers.

Kylie had hits in the UK from 87 though. Only in the US was she not super famous. And it's true that Kylie and Madonna are almost ten years apart in age but in regard to their debuts as musicians it's only 5 years. So it's a bit of a difference but you could compare 2019 Madonna to 2024 Kylie for example.

[mons†er]

8 minutes ago, LittleStarmen said:

Janet and Celine are not her peers they are a generation 90s after and 10 years younger.

Cindy was only her peer during the Virgin era

 

Kylie only got notoriety as an artist in 2000 beforehand she was a Aussie act. And she years 10 or plus years youngers.

- Janet and Madonna have both been active in music since 1982.

- Celine came out in 1981. 

-Cindy fizzled out.

- Kylie was huge it's 'The Locomotion' in 1987. She had a resurgence in the 2000's with 'Fever'. 

[John Slayne]

yes and she outlasted the 90s girls as well

[LittleStarmen]

22 minutes ago, mons†er said:

- Janet and Madonna have both been active in music since 1982.

- Celine came out in 1981. 

-Cindy fizzled out.

- Kylie was huge it's 'The Locomotion' in 1987. She had a resurgence in the 2000's with 'Fever'. 

Still everyone associates Janet and Celine with 90s and not 80s....Kylie was a local act. She was just not a peer

[mons†er]

2 minutes ago, LittleStarmen said:

Still everyone associates Janet and Celine with 90s and not 80s....Kylie was a local act. She was just not a peer

Everyone associates Madonna with the 90's as well. Erotica, Bedtime Stories hell even Like A Prayer carried into the 90's. And the reason for that is is because those women were at their peak of artistic expression as well as visually and sonically being innovators. Kylie was local but she was able to carve a fan base out and secure a top 3 hit. Stop it, you're trying too hard to prop Madonna up. 

 

Madonna doesn't care about any other artist and what they think of her. She's never been in competition with anyone but herself. Those women are her peers and there's nothing you can do to change it babe. 

[Chris]

Is this thread really necessary?