KKCuteCat Posted August 20 Posted August 20 I feel like recently people care more about Spotify chart than Billboard Hot 100. Probably because BB Hot 100 include the metrics such as radio and digital sales which are way too outdated while streaming is the way most people consume music nowsaday. What do you think? 2
Big Bad Wolf Posted August 20 Posted August 20 It appears so. I see way more posts about Spotify charts than usual these days. I guess people got tired of it after Taylor's payola clogged it. 3 2 2
Lasso Posted August 20 Posted August 20 the spotify charts are too volatile — they capture market dynamics, but are somewhat hard to keep up with, and there are so many concerns around data manipulation, autoplay payola, bots, etc... a healthy mix of its day-to-day nature and billboard's more grounded approach is ideal to fully grasp the picture imo 6
cartierdelrey Posted August 20 Posted August 20 Spotify is more popular because the data is accessible, transparent, and far more easier to gauge. Billboard lacks transparency aggregating all the data to produce its chart lists, so I understand why many people are somewhat turned off despite its prestige. 6
Jacobdaniel Posted August 20 Posted August 20 streams are more reflective of how most people listen to music. plus the billboard charts have gotten so boring and are too easily to manipulate (see: ttpd) 5 5
Wicked Posted August 20 Posted August 20 Why do y'all have a problem with sales? lmfao, yes it's not the dominant form but someone buying a song > streaming it and should still count. Radio tho... In the US Spotify does not have such a crippling share of the pie, the compromise would probably be looking at the streaming songs chart. 2 1 1
Shinkirou Posted August 20 Posted August 20 For me the ideal is the Global Billboard chart and I wish more people paid attention to it instead of the hot 100 and Spotify. Yes, streaming is very dominant but Spotify is one single app, and the fact that the streaming numbers are still growing exponentially is a sign that we're still very much in a transition phase. 2 1
Domination Posted August 20 Posted August 20 People care more about Spotify because it updates daily. It makes up only like half of total consumption though. 1
bielneira Posted August 20 Posted August 20 38 minutes ago, cartierdelrey said: Spotify is more popular because the data is accessible, transparent, and far more easier to gauge. Billboard lacks transparency aggregating all the data to produce its chart lists, so I understand why many people are somewhat turned off despite its prestige. 1
suburbannature Posted August 20 Posted August 20 BB100 is literally just a measurement that includes Spotify are y'all ok 2 2
Joey307 Posted August 20 Posted August 20 (edited) 8 minutes ago, suburbannature said: BB100 is literally just a measurement that includes Spotify are y'all ok IIRC BB100 places most of it "points" or whatever on radio play instead of sales or streaming, like how Lovin' On Me is big on Hot 100 but its streaming is underwhelming Edited August 20 by Joey307
KKCuteCat Posted August 20 Author Posted August 20 1 hour ago, Wicked said: Why do y'all have a problem with sales? lmfao, yes it's not the dominant form but someone buying a song > streaming it and should still count. Radio tho... In the US Spotify does not have such a crippling share of the pie, the compromise would probably be looking at the streaming songs chart. Nothing wrong with sales but it's the easiest to be manipulated. Tons of artists used sales to get the #1 spot on charts and that counts on BB which does not reflect the popularity of the song. Just one person buying 10 versions of their fav artists to get them to #1. They should have a way to control it. Otherwise, the reliability of the chart will be affected.
Rihinvention Posted August 20 Posted August 20 Honestly, no, because they change every 24 hours and the data is often front-loaded by hype. If everyone is checking out a song because a major artist just dropped it, then it doesn't reflect the quality or impact of the song itself. How could it? It's brand new and people don't know it yet. That's just curiosity based on artist hype.
Wicked Posted August 20 Posted August 20 18 minutes ago, KKCuteCat said: Nothing wrong with sales but it's the easiest to be manipulated. Tons of artists used sales to get the #1 spot on charts and that counts on BB which does not reflect the popularity of the song. Just one person buying 10 versions of their fav artists to get them to #1. They should have a way to control it. Otherwise, the reliability of the chart will be affected. Streams are just as manipulated. lol. I can create some bots right now and run up streams if I wanted to or do coordinated streaming sessions on several streaming platforms at the same time. 1
bad guy Posted August 20 Posted August 20 Nobody but people on music forums like this, labels, artists, or stan twitter have ever even seen or looked at the Billboard Hot 100. Billboard as a whole is a completely irrelevant metric to 99% of people. Spotify at least has numbers you can see so I guess it's slightly more relevant but again most people just listen to whatever they want and don't ever look at the chart section to begin with. 3
aotwbys Posted August 20 Posted August 20 Neither Spotify nor the Billboard 100 have much relevance outside of chart-watchers. Good luck trying to find someone who can identify the #1 song on either without looking it up 3
KillingYourCareer Posted August 20 Posted August 20 Billboard should just follow the example of literally every other official national chart in the world and just count streams and sales. 1
Dialamba Posted August 20 Posted August 20 4 hours ago, suburbannature said: BB100 is literally just a measurement that includes Spotify are y'all ok Most song are carried by radio please. Birth of feather would've gone number one easily without radio.
Bosque Posted August 20 Posted August 20 I always look at Spotify charts and never at Billboard because personally I don't care about radio points (which are driven by radio deals and corporate decisions) or iTunes sales (which are completely irrelevant today, except for the purposes of chart manipulation by stans)
Bosque Posted August 20 Posted August 20 3 hours ago, Rihinvention said: Honestly, no, because they change every 24 hours and the data is often front-loaded by hype. If everyone is checking out a song because a major artist just dropped it, then it doesn't reflect the quality or impact of the song itself. How could it? It's brand new and people don't know it yet. That's just curiosity based on artist hype. I agree but that in itself is interesting data. For example, a song might go #1 on Spotify on the first day and then drop to #15 by the end of the week. If you look at Billboard you will only see that it debuted at #10 or something, which doesn't show you the trajectory of the song. Spotify shows you whether it was a big debut with hype or a song people discovered over time
KKCuteCat Posted August 20 Author Posted August 20 6 hours ago, Wicked said: Streams are just as manipulated. lol. I can create some bots right now and run up streams if I wanted to or do coordinated streaming sessions on several streaming platforms at the same time. It's just harder to manipulate than sales. BTS fans made Butter #1 on BB Hot 100 for 11 weeks while it isn't the case for WHO
Pheromosa Posted August 20 Posted August 20 Billboard will never not be the bigger deal in the US. It's based on tradition/history and is a display of the political scene of the industry.
QuanticXplosion Posted August 20 Posted August 20 If anything, it's billboard's fault. They were the ones that gave streaming too much weight on their formula which resulted in people checking out on streaming stats regularly and stream their faves to help them chart with dignity.
Digitalism Posted August 20 Posted August 20 8 hours ago, Lasso said: the spotify charts are too volatile — they capture market dynamics, but are somewhat hard to keep up with, and there are so many concerns around data manipulation, autoplay payola, bots, etc... a healthy mix of its day-to-day nature and billboard's more grounded approach is ideal to fully grasp the picture imo And Billboard changing the rules every few months isn't volatile? 1
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