base talk Why is ATRL obsessed with hating on Katy Perry?

[Infernal Paradise]

Not only has this entire era been catastrophic from the jump, what's even funnier is that the second Kats realized things were going south quick after the confirmation of Luke's involvement, they lost the plot so hard and immediately started attacking and misplacing their anger on other female artists when their own fave dug her own grave of her career with that so-called "risk". 

 

And you think we're supposed to sit back quietly as we watch this panned bomb of epic proportions unfold? Nope. Every single lashing is warranted. And keep the meltdowns coming, they're very entertaining!

 

[Riverbank]

The rapist sympathizer Olympics going on here

[BrokenMachine]

By this point I'm pretty sure that certain user is an OGH rather than a Katycat. Like why bring Gaga from all the people ?

Edited August 10 by BrokenMachine

[Tylerbv]

Can a single Katy Cat come up with a rebuttal to "she willingly worked with a rapist for subpar music" that isn't a downvote or "other people also do bad things!!"

 

[ugo]

Ozempic body, big budget, her favourite rapist producer, hype, radio deal and she still flopped 

[narid]

I'm not a Katy stan, but there's a clear case of double standards applied to Katy.

 

The main argument presented by haters why she deserves the hate is because she has collaborated with an abuser. Well, others have too and members don't take the same approach.

 

Using Gaga as an example, she collaborated with a number of well know abusers, and has gone into great lengths to defend them.

 

When she collaborated with R. Kelly, his history of abuse was well know and evidenced for all to see. She went on to strongly defend him and claim "R. Kelly and I have sometimes very untrue things written about us, so in a way this was a bond between us." This is an abhorrent thing to say in the face of all the victims, and something she clearly believed in.

 

Yes, she then went on to remove the song, but that was only as a result of the backlash, so her defence of him during a time when everybody knew what and who he was remains unacceptable. 

 

She has then had many other collaborators, including her lead coreographer Richie Jackson, accused of bullying, harrassesment, and abuse, and she has done nothing. Will she only do something if things become bigger in the media and she is likely to be harmed as a result? That seems to be her approach, and just take action as damage control to her brand. 

 

So the question is: why is Katy the only getting this hate, and not others who have been and continue to be equally wrong in their actions and collaborations with abusers? 

 

(LMs won't like this, and feel free to mass thumbs down this post, but all I have written are facts.)

 

 

[OmegaRidley]

Just now, BrokenMachine said:

By this point I'm pretty sure that certain user is am OGH rather than a Katycat. Like why bring Gaga from all the people ?

Cause most people coming for her in here are liddos, and I love to point out hypocrites when I see them, is that easier to understand babe? 

[BrokenMachine]

6 minutes ago, ugo said:

Gaga is not my fave and I did criticize it as it happened

I'm not a Gaga stan either and that user keeps responding with Gaga stuff as if it was some kind of 'gotcha' moment lmfao 

Edited August 10 by BrokenMachine

[SmittenCake]

8 minutes ago, Infernal Paradise said:

Not only has this entire era been catastrophic from the jump, what's even funnier is that the second Kats realized things were going south quick after the confirmation of Luke's involvement, they lost the plot so hard and immediately started attacking and misplacing their anger on other female artists when their own fave dug her own grave of her career with that so-called "risk". 

 

And you think we're supposed to sit back quietly as we watch this panned bomb of epic proportions unfold? Nope. Every single lashing is warranted. And keep the meltdowns coming, they're very entertaining!

 

Them spending months spewing vitriol towards Gaga and Kesha now coming to bite back is most pleasing to me. Katy herself thought this comeback would be major and it all fell flat. The KatyKats got too cocky for their own good and witnessing themselves breakdown genuinely gives me that buzz.

 

Take a look at the Lifetimes thread  they still can't understand that Luke ruined Katys most anticipated comeback 

 

 

Not even a katy hater. The snippets from her new album sound like bops to me. The singles just aren't it but we'll see how things go. The Kats brought this on themselves tho

Edited August 10 by SmittenCake

[BrokenMachine]

4 minutes ago, narid said:

The main argument presented by haters why she deserves the hate is because she has collaborated with an abuser.

Actually the main argument is 'she collaborated with an abuser just to give subpar music'. Had the music be decent like Unholy, Super Freaky Girl or the Doja hits, the lashings would have been there anyways, but at least the music would have been a guilty pleasure, unlike Katy's recent output

[Smarticle]

I see the same users bringing up Gaga constantly but none of the same energy denouncing Katy but wanna talk about hypocrisy and double standards ijbol

 

[aotwbys]

7 minutes ago, BrokenMachine said:

Actually the main argument is 'she collaborated with an abuser just to give subpar music'. Had the music be decent like Unholy, Super Freaky Girl or the Doja hits, the lashings would have been there anyways, but at least the music would have been a guilty pleasure, unlike Katy's recent output

He wasn't part of Unholy!  but yes, Sam and Kim totally killed it on that one

 

On topic - the Katy Perry hate is way overblown

[lelewlovebird]

I haven't really commented on any of this before, but to me Katy seems to have misled herself or something. Rather poor decisions aside, I think she got it into her head too much that "the people want more TD" and thus ended up kind of chasing ghosts of past success. The new material may be "risky" in the fact that she worked with who she did, but the material is not risky at all imo and there isn't much progression of her as an artist evident in them. The songs she's released aren't what a lot of people hoped for and thus they really have nothing to defend, especially considering the circumstances. The "risk" here simply didn't pay off and instead backfired.

[FailSafe]

At least Lifetimes outstreamed  CHROMATICA I 

 

 

 

[Erreur2 La Nature]

Katy definitely deserves some lashing for working with Dr. Luke in my opinion but it's true that it's trendy to hate on her as she's also an easy target, releasing some disappointing music and flopping hard.

Edited August 10 by Erreur2 La Nature

[Lüwís]

Not this one, again.

 

Some people on the internet just can't help embarrassing themselves and bringing shame to their bloodlines.

 

[Hexchromatica]

1 hour ago, Kukai said:

 And the material not being good is subjective.

It's overwhelmingly negative reception and one look at the comments/charts/views would tell you that

[zoldyck]

1 hour ago, OmegaRidley said:

What about her choreographer? Her makeup artist? 
 

let's also not forget that not only she vocally supported him, but also made a video where he violates her while she's seemingly under drugs on a surgical table. To top it all, she only removed the song for an oscar campaign about sexual assualt 6 YEARS later 

Are we spreading misinformation to justify Katy's actions?

 

Neither her Choreographer nor her makeup artist has any rape case filed again them.

 

His Choreographer has been called out for toxic behavior, but again that's no where near appalling things Dr.Luke has done.   

[ImpressMeMuch]

1 hour ago, OmegaRidley said:

What about her choreographer? Her makeup artist? 
 

let's also not forget that not only she vocally supported him, but also made a video where he violates her while she's seemingly under drugs on a surgical table. To top it all, she only removed the song for an oscar campaign about sexual assualt 6 YEARS later 

You can't be serious with this argument

[TipToe]

It's partly Katy fault for having an obnoxious personality and turning people off and partly internalized gay-like sexism - aka people thinking these female popstars owe something to them and having joy watching them falling apart since they don't correspond to their desires anymore.

[applestar]

I understand the Kesha fans but everyone else is bored, unemployed, and has nothing better to do because Lifetimes and Woman's World are more listenable than many songs their faves have released recently

[Hexchromatica]

8 minutes ago, applestar said:

Lifetimes and Woman's World are more listenable than many songs their faves have released recently

 

[The_Bling]

1 hour ago, OmegaRidley said:

Cause most people coming for her in here are liddos, and I love to point out hypocrites when I see them, is that easier to understand babe? 

You're such a good person, calling out hypocrisy while being a rape apologist  

[OmegaRidley]

48 minutes ago, The_Bling said:

You're such a good person, calling out hypocrisy while being a rape apologist  

I never defended Katy working with Luke 

[WhateverYouWant]

F off and read the damn room