news Iraq plans to introduce Sharia law, legalize marrying off 9-year old girls + polygamy

[SmittenCake]

They criminalized lgbt 1 month ago. Now they're doing this. I'm so sick. 

[A.R.L]

7 hours ago, TouchinFree said:

Quraan is very much against this above law and pedo. If that's the case then being a 9 year old and marrying would be the actual norm in these countries which really isn't the case. Because a girl becomes a woman based on when she starts her period and even then she isnt tied to marriage solely on her becoming a "woman". Marriage needs consent and acceptance and choice as written in quraan. The quran doesn't state that you marry at certain age.

But anyways, this could take forever. 

The quran ain't against it and you know what, since there's no minimum age for marriage in quran neither, that approves this horrible act and confirms what albukhari said, which is widely accepted by most muslims, so this is the norm even for muslims who don't apply this, but they believe that it happened.
 

Also, quran clearly considers any girl who begins her period is fully consent and can get married, and as you know, there have been cases of girls having their period at the age of 8 and 9 years old, which was most likely the case of Aisha knowing that she got married at 6 years old, but she did not go to live with muhamed alone until she turned 9 years old.

 

You know that it's a problem when the quran does NOT state a specific minimum age for marriage, as long as any individual reaches the age of puberty, is forced to apply islamic rules such as fasting, so for islam they are adult enough to marry, regardless of their age and mental abilities.
 

Acceptance and choice are not always a thing in marriage in islam, there are examples of forced marriages from the quran where only one side decides and were mostly men.

Edited August 9 by A.R.L

[Embustera]

On 8/8/2024 at 10:42 AM, truthteller said:

not them legalising pedophilia wtf

A white man's dream. 

[Sugden]

Islam being vile what else is new, but then again muslims in the west will do anything but condemn this. It's always someone elses fault never the religion.

Edited August 9 by Sugden

[Zaram]

9 minutes ago, Embustera said:

A white man's dream. 

Sources say otherwise

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_marriage#Prevalence_data

[Embustera]

1 minute ago, Zaram said:

Sources say otherwise

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_marriage#Prevalence_data

You sure? Pedophilia has simply become normalized in the West. A few years ago, there was even a pedophile party in the Netherlands. In addition, child *****graphy is the most viewed in Europe. Having sex with a child is also punished very lightly in Europe. 
 

You seem triggered. Do you feel addressed? Am I hitting a nerve?

[Zaram]

5 minutes ago, Embustera said:

You sure? Pedophilia has simply become normalized in the West. A few years ago, there was even a pedophile party in the Netherlands. In addition, child *****graphy is the most viewed in Europe. Having sex with a child is also punished very lightly in Europe. 
 

You seem triggered. Do you feel addressed? Am I hitting a nerve?

I seem triggered by including sources while you are writing a sole incident in the netherlands - a kii

Doesn't there exist a term in Afghanistan called Bacha Bazi which involves the rape and slavery of underaged boys? And again it is a systematic and widespread problematic.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bacha_bazi

 

Also every crime is lightly punished in Europe. Even murderer get away with a few years of prison. This is because Europe believes in rehabilation. This can be good or not good (not really good in most cases).

 

The fact still stands: The marriage of underaged kids is mostly happening in the middle east and africa.

 

But you always had the worst takes, so arguing with you is a waste of time anyway

 

 

[BabyBenzz]

imagine living there.. i feel for the people, it's like the ******* Handmaids Tail type of thing but in real life

[FOCK]

6 hours ago, A.R.L said:

The quran ain't against it and you know what, since there's no minimum age for marriage in quran neither, that approves this horrible act and confirms what albukhari said, which is widely accepted by most muslims, so this is the norm even for muslims who don't apply this, but they believe that it happened.
 

Also, quran clearly considers any girl who begins her period is fully consent and can get married, and as you know, there have been cases of girls having their period at the age of 8 and 9 years old, which was most likely the case of Aisha knowing that she got married at 6 years old, but she did not go to live with muhamed alone until she turned 9 years old.

 

You know that it's a problem when the quran does NOT state a specific minimum age for marriage, as long as any individual reaches the age of puberty, is forced to apply islamic rules such as fasting, so for islam they are adult enough to marry, regardless of their age and mental abilities.
 

Acceptance and choice are not always a thing in marriage in islam, there are examples of forced marriages from the quran where only one side decides and were mostly men.

There is no minimum marriage age stipulated in any of the Abrahamic scriptures. Neither the Bible nor the Torah mention guidelines for the appropriate consideration of maturity or age for marriage. 

 

The Quran at the very least attempts to establish guidelines & outlines the following as prerequisites for marriage:

 

- Physical maturity

- Sound judgement 

- Capability of managing your own affairs

- Agreement 

 

And all must be met. 

 

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the definition of physically mature and sound judgement are subjective. What we thought of as being physically mature and having sound judgement back then is different from what it we define it today. The Quran did not put a specified age for marriage and rather gave a subjective guideline for marriage because it was meant for all times and places. 

 

Cultural norms & practices in 570 BC, are radically different than today's - younger marriage was a reality across all cultures & religions and not exclusive to one - for various reasons, including wealth sharing among families, continuation of hierarchical lineage, or just the mere fact that people didn't live as long prior to medical advancement.
 

Of course, society has progressed significantly in their understanding of psychological maturity since then, & laws have been put in place to further clarify any grey areas. Even so, the age of consent still varies radically around the globe & across cultures, including western ones. In Columbia, I believe the legal catholic age for marriage is 14 & in Rabbinic Judaism it's 12.
 

The part in the OP about a husband being able to divorce their wife for "withholding sex" is a bit disingenuous. Sexual fulfilment is a right granted to both women and men in Islam & it works both ways. A woman has just as much grounds for a divorce if she does not feel sexually fulfilled in a marriage.

 

"Hadith" & "Shariah" are sources that are flexible & open to interpretation & their reliability may be debated & contested - they are credited to man, not "god" & their application varies significantly across cultures, regions & religious sects, unlike the actual religious text. 

To ascribe them as representative of the entire Islamic populace is like suggesting the Talmud is representative of Judaism & the majority of Jewish people, which is false - & we don't need to get into the paedophilic mess that the Talmud is. 
 

The legal marriage age in Iraq is still currently 18 and this proposed bill has not passed & is unlikely to. 

[ugo]

6 hours ago, Embustera said:

A white man's dream. 

We can see that it's not a white man doing it 

[A.R.L]

2 hours ago, FOCK said:

There is no minimum marriage age stipulated in any of the Abrahamic scriptures.

No one said otherwise.

 

2 hours ago, FOCK said:

The Quran at the very least attempts to establish guidelines & outlines the following as prerequisites for marriage:

 

- Physical maturity

- Sound judgement 

- Capability of managing your own affairs

- Agreement 

 

And all must be met. 

 

 

Cultural norms & practices in 570 BC, are radically different than today's - younger marriage was a reality across all cultures & religions and not exclusive to one - for various reasons, including wealth sharing among families, continuation of hierarchical lineage, or just the mere fact that people didn't live as long prior to medical advancement.

The first part is not true, where's the physical maturity, sound judgment and self-independence in a 9-year-old girl? Aisha, just like any other victim nowadays, was playing on a swing playing like an innocent girl when she was handed over to live with muhamad, she didn't even understand what was happening, but as I said before here, this marriage didn't look bad at that time because it's true that it was the norm at that time, in different cultures and religions because nothing was/or is extraordinary in this world to predict the future.

 

As for the agreement or being involved, according to the albukhari and the sahih muslim, aisha as a kid, had no words on this, and then we have zainab, an adult woman, was forced to marry muhamad's adopted son and then was forced again when muhamad wanted to marry her, which led his adopted son to divorce her. There is no agreement from zainab in both marriages and in the divorce itself.

 

3 hours ago, FOCK said:

A woman has just as much grounds for a divorce if she does not feel sexually fulfilled in a marriage.

 

Not really, according to islam women are not allowed to divorce easily, instead there is something called Khula in islam which allows women to divorce with the exception that she must give back anything that her husband has brought to her, meanwhile a man is only allowed to verbally give 3 talaks which means repeat the word divorce 3 times verbally and then he is divorced no matter what his wife financially provided to him. If there are children and the mother wants to keep them, the mother loses custody once she marries another man but not the other way around, this is extremely another topic tho. I really don't know why we should talk about it in this post.

 

3 hours ago, FOCK said:

"Hadith" & "Shariah" are sources that are flexible & open to interpretation & their reliability may be debated & contested - they are credited to man, not "god" & their application varies significantly across cultures, regions & religious sects, unlike the actual religious text. 

To ascribe them as representative of the entire Islamic populace is like suggesting the Talmud is representative of Judaism & the majority of Jewish people, which is false - & we don't need to get into the paedophilic mess that the Talmud is. 

These are two different scenarios, muslims are about 2 billion people, most of them are sunnis who take most of the hadiths from bukhari and sahih muslim as reliable and alternative sources of the quran, otherwise, they aren't considered muslims by consensus from islamic scholars, and although many muslims don't apply sharia law 100% due to the influence of modern civil rights, they believe that it's the way of islamic rule, and some even want to bring it back.  
 

I do noooot care about all that, but of course when the number of muslims who believe in such hadiths is more than 1.7 billions out of 1.9 billions, then we will certainly get more victims in the issue of early marriage.

 

On the other hand, the jews also have their female victims due to religious rules, but being only 15 million people, they cannot have the same influence on this issue as another group of about 2 billion people.

 

4 hours ago, FOCK said:

 

The legal marriage age in Iraq is still currently 18 and this proposed bill has not passed & is unlikely to. 

I fear that this will no longer be the case, and that muslim sheikhs will legalised this crime so that they won't need to do it secretly within themselves only. 

[Shelter]

On 8/8/2024 at 7:15 PM, Communion said:

There are people who want any ideology anywhere. Again, you're not addressong.the fundamental reality that it makes no sense for people to congregate en masses in a society that's not like one they want. Thus the "coming to a town near you" remark is baseless.

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At least 46% of foreign-born Muslims in France want to adopt Sharia law into the country's legal system, reveals a poll conducted by IFOP (French Institute for Public Opinions) for Le Point magazine. 
 

 

Well I don't expect anyone that wants sharia law to make sense, do you? 

[Communion]

1 hour ago, Shelter said:

Well I don't expect anyone that wants sharia law to make sense, do you? 

This is the kind of inflammatory nonsense that reveals someone is acting in bad faith and from a far-right perspective.

 

Sharia is the principles of the Islamic faith, no different than how Halakha is the principles of the Jewish faith. 

The majority of people who practice a faith will say they follow its laws. 

 

This is why "look!! I found a poll!!!" doesn't mean anything because "incorporating Sharia law" could mean anything from accommodating Muslim prayer schedules into public space infrastructure to allowing religious marriages to be handled by religious courts (something many secular nations already do for many religious minorities). 

 

But because you are a racist, you want people to associate "implementing Sharia Law" to somehow always mean "child marriages and public hangings" and demonizing all Muslims, even those who have left conservative societies, by conflating them with the most conservative Muslims in the world.

 

Genuinely odd someone will risk losing an account on a pop forum that they've had for 14 years with nearly 20,000 posts by an innate hunger and hunger to peddle racist nonsense and stereotyping, let alone liking horrifically racist nonsense posts *have not* gone unnoticed. 

Edited August 9 by Communion

[Hikki]

I'm so scared of the rise of Islam in Europe. And the government doesn't give af because they want votes from muslim community

[FlyOnTheWall]

As much as I despise the concept of all abrahamic religions period, I'll always be relieved being born into an area that, while secular now, is culturally mostly influenced by Christianity ngl 

[Bubble Tea]

Unforgivably disgusting. Those poor innocent girls. God save this planet.  People have barbaric, despicable and evil ideas.

[family.guy123]

5 hours ago, Hikki said:

I'm so scared of the rise of Islam in Europe. And the government doesn't give af because they want votes from muslim community

All religion is right wing full stop. It's scary 

[Smilers]

Islam is the worst thing to ever happen to humanity

[LegaMyth]

The amount of hate I have in my soul for these animals cannot be explained. 

[NausAllien]

DISGUSTING

 

And yet you'll see a lot of gays and women siding with these countries and pretending the West is the true villain in the story!

 

Say what you want about the mistakes Western countries made (slavery, colonization, child labor, etc) but at least they are trying to do better.

 

Middle Eastern countries are stuck in the Middle Ages!!!

 

[NausAllien]

12 hours ago, Smilers said:

Islam is the worst thing to ever happen to humanity

RELIGIOUS FUNDAMENTALISM is the worst thing to happen to humanity. It doesn't matter if it's Islam or Christianity.

 

The problem is that most Middle Eastern countries are THEOCRACIES. They base their laws around what an ancient book says.

 

Most Western countries are SECULAR. That's the saving grace of the West.

 

The Middle East we'll be stuck in the Middle Ages if they don't become secular countries.

[Funnyfatty]

Those are the people who openly hate us and call us evil and disgusting. 

[Illyboy]

On 8/8/2024 at 6:53 PM, Shelter said:

There are people in Europe who want sharia law there. 

are "people in Europe who want sharia law there" in the room with us?

[Bosque]

1 hour ago, Illyboy said:

are "people in Europe who want sharia law there" in the room with us?

https://www.politico.eu/newsletter/berlin-bulletin/dawn-of-the-caliphate/
 

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Other figures showed that 42% of French Muslims place respect for Islamic Sharia law above respect for the laws of the French republic (the percentage rises to 57% among Muslims aged 18 to 25).

https://www.lejdd.fr/societe/sondage-dans-la-tete-des-musulmans-de-france-141612

[Alaska.]

11 hours ago, Bosque said:

https://www.politico.eu/newsletter/berlin-bulletin/dawn-of-the-caliphate/
 

https://www.lejdd.fr/societe/sondage-dans-la-tete-des-musulmans-de-france-141612

Yikes. Religious ideologies should never be inserted in politics