base talk Why doesn't Carly have Charli's success?

[Cain]

37 minutes ago, Squall said:

How is a 77 « poptimism »? This score is particularly good because it happened BEFORE poptimism  

Emotion was definitely the first pure pop album experiencing the effects poptimism from usually critical outlets such as Pitchfork and Fantano

 

and back then music scores were WAY lower than they are now, not everyone was just getting 80s and 90s left and right, 77 is a good score for 2015

[kexin]

not to say that every artist needs to have a cultural zeitgeist era but Carly's happened in 2012 with Call Me Maybe and even that was a lightning in a bottle opportunity. She's cultivated a loyal fanbase that'll listen and support her albums like Tove Lo, not everyone has that. 

 

On 8/3/2024 at 5:07 PM, Popboi. said:

No one is denying EMOTION isn't great, but can you honestly tell anyone there's any potential for everything released after to blow up?  she doesn't have the personality to captivate a big audience and her online presence gives mom on Facebook. Pair that with 0 drive and a long string of bad decisions (EMOTION released months early in Japan, IRLY being the start and end of the era's promo, Party for One being the lead of Dedicated only to end up becoming a bonus track, Beach House seeing the light of day etc).

BE QUIET HIPPO

[Squall]

1 hour ago, Cain said:

Emotion was definitely the first pure pop album experiencing the effects poptimism from usually critical outlets such as Pitchfork and Fantano

 

and back then music scores were WAY lower than they are now, not everyone was just getting 80s and 90s left and right, 77 is a good score for 2015

That's my point, it would have a 85-90 today, it didn't benefit from poptimism that started years later; you are acting like bringing up a 77 score in a thread would be a brag when you know everyone would throw their faves' recent 90 as a response  

[Cain]

2 minutes ago, Squall said:

That's my point, it would have a 85-90 today, it didn't benefit from poptimism that started years later; you are acting like bringing up a 77 score in a thread would be a brag when you know everyone would throw their faves' recent 90 as a response  

? Poptimism isn't just the phenomenon of overall music scores being higher for albums

 

It's the fact that pure pop albums actually get favorable reviews and are taken seriously, which Emotion very much was. It was already feeling the effects of poptimism (set by 1989) while also spearheading it further

[Squall]

24 minutes ago, Cain said:

? Poptimism isn't just the phenomenon of overall music scores being higher for albums

 

It's the fact that pure pop albums actually get favorable reviews and are taken seriously, which Emotion very much was. It was already feeling the effects of poptimism (set by 1989) while also spearheading it further

Positive scores were also given to other pop albums before that.

[JoeAg]

I love Carly and she's got some amazing songs but if she wanted that she'd have to capitalize on memes/tiktok presence a bit more. she's seen as a one hit wonder (unfairly, of course) in the US, while even when Charli was flopping in the US from 2015ish-2023, no one wrote her off as a one hit wonder. she had Fancy, I Love It, Boom Clap, and some viral hits, but there was always that sturdy foundation for another successful era. Carly doesn't quite have the foundation. yknow it's funny cause she's never even been a one hit wonder, Good Time was a HUGE hit and I Really Like You had its moment too. I just think Charli's strategizing has had more effort and method to its madness than Carly's historically has 

[dopamina]

On 8/3/2024 at 5:53 PM, PoisonedIvy said:

Carly is a little "corny" she doesn't have a cool factor

On 8/3/2024 at 5:53 PM, RideOrDie said:

no 'cool' personality

On 8/3/2024 at 6:01 PM, tost1 said:

I like some of Carly's music but she's kinda boring, like a female Shawn Mendes

[Dante Silva]

Charli's brand is being on the cutting edge of the musical and technological zeitgeist and being at the forefront of fashion. She will go down in the history books as a generation defining artist. In contrast Carly's brand is to be a more generic type of mainstream pop artist. That is not a negative, it's simply where Carly's brand sits.

[Big Bad Wolf]

The difference is Charli has a cultural significance and impact, where Carly is just somewhat respected among the community for delivering nice pop songs.

 

But she hasn't reinvented the wheel or carved out a lane of her own, like Charli has. 

[Big Bad Wolf]

4 hours ago, Dante Silva said:

Charli's brand is being on the cutting edge of the musical and technological zeitgeist and being at the forefront of fashion. She will go down in the history books as a generation defining artist. In contrast Carly's brand is to be a more generic type of mainstream pop artist. That is not a negative, it's simply where Carly's brand sits.

Being at the forefront of fashion?

 

She's hardly a fashion girl and only got her fashion game up with Crash. Brat is really her most fashionable era thus far, but I would not say she's known for her fashion whatsoever. More so her overall aesthetic.

Edited August 9 by Big Bad Wolf

[Dante Silva]

17 minutes ago, Big Bad Wolf said:

Being at the forefront of fashion?

 

She's hardly a fashion girl and only got her fashion game up with Crash. Brat is really her most fashionable era thus far, but I would not say she's known for her fashion whatsoever. More so her overall aesthetic.

I wasn't talking about clothing.

[Daft Dweeb]

RAWM, CTTF, Loneliest Time all had their moments and were shaping up to go viral at some point in time but I think Carly (or her team) genuinely doesn't give a f*ck about the business side of it. She also seems very happy and grateful for the niche fanbase she's found who will ride or die for her.  She just wants to make music and then dip  A win-win for both her and the true raesins. 

Plus, Carly minding her own business and not squandering her time away on social media is such a slay tbh    Unproblematic queen! 

[Minto]

charli has always had a solid uk fanbase and her american one was growing with every release i think crash really helped with that too and then everything just aligned with brat. 

 

carly is just too niche and she has the social media presence of a cabbage, she never captured gen-z like charli did and never built a fanbase outside the US and maybe japan i guess.

[Raphy23]

On 8/3/2024 at 5:01 PM, tost1 said:

I like some of Carly's music but she's kinda boring, like a female Shawn Mendes

Delete this! 

[CroNich]

Charli has her finger on the pulse with her marketing and the current and up and coming trends in the pop culture zeitgeist in a way that Carly doesn't. 
 

Her music is more club and tik tok friendly, which definitely helps right now too. 

[AshleyLovescats887]

Carly just doesn't really care about getting a hit. I think she just releases whatever she wants and honestly good for her! I'd rather be an artist with moderate success yet no constant pressure from the GP than an artist who constantly has to appease everyone (not saying this is about Charli btw)

[GraceRandolph]

On 8/3/2024 at 4:02 PM, mons†er said:

2016 had way more competition. Adele, Tame Impala, Grimes and Florence + The Machine. Carly wasn't seeing 'brat' success with Adele releasing an album in the same year. 

Adele didn't release an album in 2016

[mons†er]

17 minutes ago, GraceRandolph said:

Adele didn't release an album in 2016

I know but 25 was still smashing. 

[SpaceOddity]

The absolutely shitty takes in here, Carly is an excellent songwriter. She legits reads pop music like no one else, she brilliantly balances sweetness and vulnerability without it translating into corny or overly mellow. There's a genuiness in the way she writes about her feelings, she convinces you. As for her not experimenting, all her albums post Emotion have weird/experimental moments so most of you are talking out of your ass.

[Bubble Tea]

3 hours ago, SpaceOddity said:

The absolutely shitty takes in here, Carly is an excellent songwriter. She legits reads pop music like no one else, she brilliantly balances sweetness and vulnerability without it translating into corny or overly mellow. There's a genuiness in the way she writes about her feelings, she convinces you. As for her not experimenting, all her albums post Emotion have weird/experimental moments so most of you are talking out of your ass.

Tell them. There's a reason why the Charli x Carly collab is so legendary on Charli's magnum opus and it's certainly in part thanks to Carly's incredible voice and pen game.

 

 

[goverm3nth0ker]

carly is great but her personality is so forgettable

[BTS]

Carly doesn't know how to network and it's holding her back. 

 

 

[Topaz]

I love Carly's music, but I truly think she isnt hungry anymore. She makes great money, gets to release the music she wants, tours and meets her fans and lives a simple life. She's even found a man and they been together for a bit now. I'd say shes happy going into her 40's

[DemiRexha]

She showers - jk I think it's just cause Charli takes more risks