tiagol88 Posted August 2 Posted August 2 Celine was definitely bigger than Mariah on a WW scale back in the 90's. Celine: Chartmasters I mean these were her 90's releases pure sales: 1990 Unison – 3,400,000 1991 Dion Chante Plamandon – 1,500,000 1992 Celine Dion – 5,700,000 1993 The Colour Of My Love – 16,600,000 1995 D'Eux – 7,200,000 - Biggest French album in history 1996 Falling Into You – 28,100,000 1997 Let's Talk About Love – 29,800,000 1998 S'Il Suffisait D'Aimer – 3,900,000 1998 These Are Special Times – 11,900,000 1999 All the way...A Decade of Songs - 22,900,000 Total: 131 000 000 Mariah: Chartmasters 1990 Mariah Carey - 14,395,000 1991 Emotions - 8,575,000 1993 Music Box - 26,745,000 1994 Merry Christmas - 14,350,000 1995 Daydream - 20,545,000 1997 Butterfly - 10,900,000 1998 #1s - 16,525,000 1999 Rainbow - 7,535,000 Total: 119 570 000 There's also the case for Titanic's soundtrack that plenty of outlets count as Celine's sales...which would add 30M copies as well. But even without it, the results are clear.
Baegalme Posted August 2 Posted August 2 (edited) 12 hours ago, Dante Silva said: Re: 1980's Michael Jackson over Madonna? (No absolutely not). (My homosexual brain says no). It's actually pretty accurate though. Madonna was very successful with multiple hit singles and albums but Michael was objectively more commercially successful with only 2 albums with one of them being the biggest album in history and the second one being one of the biggest ones. He debuted the moonwalk on tv which is still regarded as one of the most iconic moment in music history. The thriller music video etc… Madonna would definitely be second to him though she was huge Edited August 2 by Baegalme 1
Arrows Posted August 2 Posted August 2 2 hours ago, suburbannature said: This site is so musically-illiterate sometimes. Imagine saying the artist nearly solely responsible for redefining genres and genre crossovers in the 90s didn't embody the decade. Don't get me wrong, Mariah absolutely defines the 90's, just not as much as Elvis defined the 50's, The Beatles the 60's and MJ the 80's.
Badgalbriel Posted August 2 Posted August 2 12 hours ago, Dante Silva said: It doesn't. And before you think you are being smart, there has always been a separate list of era defining artists for gays (than straights). Yet here we are with an ignorant (probably) Gen Z gay dethroning the gay communities all time era defining icons with the straight communities equivalents (on a site that is mostly populated by gays). WHAT? 1 1
Badgalbriel Posted August 2 Posted August 2 2 hours ago, Hot Volcano said: Yup this is pretty accurate. Had Adele released another smash album in the 2010s, would've been her for sure. 2010s 1. Drake 2. Adele 3. Rihanna 4. Taylor There's no way Rihanna or Adele were even remotely above Taylor last decade. Red and 1989 are bigger than any Rihanna album last decade. Not only that, but Rihanna retired 4 years before the decade ended. And Adele only released 2 albums. 3 6
stevyy Posted August 2 Posted August 2 5 minutes ago, tiagol88 said: Celine was definitely bigger than Mariah on a WW scale back in the 90's. Celine: Chartmasters I mean these were her 90's releases pure sales: 1990 Unison – 3,400,000 1991 Dion Chante Plamandon – 1,500,000 1992 Celine Dion – 5,700,000 1993 The Colour Of My Love – 16,600,000 1995 D'Eux – 7,200,000 - Biggest French album in history 1996 Falling Into You – 28,100,000 1997 Let's Talk About Love – 29,800,000 1998 S'Il Suffisait D'Aimer – 3,900,000 1998 These Are Special Times – 11,900,000 1999 All the way...A Decade of Songs - 22,900,000 Total: 131 000 000 Mariah: Chartmasters 1990 Mariah Carey - 14,395,000 1991 Emotions - 8,575,000 1993 Music Box - 26,745,000 1994 Merry Christmas - 14,350,000 1995 Daydream - 20,545,000 1997 Butterfly - 10,900,000 1998 #1s - 16,525,000 1999 Rainbow - 7,535,000 Total: 119 570 000 There's also the case for Titanic's soundtrack that plenty of outlets count as Celine's sales...which would add 30M copies as well. But even without it, the results are clear. All The Way which was released on November 12th 1999 did not sell 22,9 million copies in 6 weeks. It sold 2,9 million in the US in 1999. How convenient for you that you didn't even scroll down on the chartsmasters page to find MTV Unplugged. lol. An artist of the decade is determined by how much that artist sold in that decade and not by how much the albums which were released in that decade sold decades on. All The Way probably sold 9 million copies in 1999 worldwide (in 6 weeks) and 15 million since 2000 (the majority of its sales in 2000). Keep in mind that it sold 2,9 million in 1999 in the US. The same is true for Merry Christmas and These are Special times. Both had strong catalogue sales in the 2000s. Merry Christmas even topped the catalogue charts in the 2000s. Merry Christmas sold 11 million copies in the 1990s according to SONY. These are special times probably sold 7m+ in that decade and the rest is coming from the 2000 specifically. Your take, therefore, would distort achievements in a decade.
Baegalme Posted August 2 Posted August 2 10 hours ago, UseYourIllusion2002 said: MTV and Billboard named Madonna Artist of the Decade for the 80s so i'll go with her. I think in Billboard chart points they were literally neck to neck as well, according to that one Twitter chart stan. Michael Jackson literally cried to MTV over the fact that they named Madonna AOTD, and basically begged them to rename the Vanguard Award to his name. Which speaking of that award, Madonna also won that before him, just four years into her career in 1986. I mean Madonna being bigger on the billboard charts would make sense since she had released more albums than him. MJ had only released two and they were bigger than any Madonna release to this day. He was objectively bigger even in other aspects
Baegalme Posted August 2 Posted August 2 I would argue Taylor would be the artist of the decade in 2010 instead of drake
Hot Volcano Posted August 2 Posted August 2 1 hour ago, Badgalbriel said: There's no way Rihanna or Adele were even remotely above Taylor last decade. Red and 1989 are bigger than any Rihanna album last decade. Not only that, but Rihanna retired 4 years before the decade ended. And Adele only released 2 albums. Gurl, 21 and 25 were easily bigger than any Taylor album in the US and outside of it + Adele had a much bigger cultural impact. Its a no brainer. Rihanna is indeed arguable. She had a lot more hits than Taylor but then again, Anti was her only big album
Badgalbriel Posted August 2 Posted August 2 13 minutes ago, Hot Volcano said: Gurl, 21 and 25 were easily bigger than any Taylor album in the US and outside of it + Adele had a much bigger cultural impact. Its a no brainer. Rihanna is indeed arguable. She had a lot more hits than Taylor but then again, Anti was her only big album Yep, 21 and 25 were bigger than any Taylor album. But Taylor released 5 albums last decade that were all huge against Adele's 2 albums. 1
UseYourIllusion2002 Posted August 2 Posted August 2 5 hours ago, Baegalme said: I mean Madonna being bigger on the billboard charts would make sense since she had released more albums than him. MJ had only released two and they were bigger than any Madonna release to this day. He was objectively bigger even in other aspects Well yeah but at the same time she didn't have her first #1 until December 1984. Billboard even wrote an article in 1987 about how impressive it was that she racked up the most #1 hits for an artist that decade in such a short time frame. Michael had been big since the beginning of the decade. He also had the advantage of literally having the biggest album of all time lol.
suburbannature Posted August 2 Posted August 2 5 hours ago, tiagol88 said: Celine was definitely bigger than Mariah on a WW scale back in the 90's. Celine: Chartmasters I mean these were her 90's releases pure sales: 1990 Unison – 3,400,000 1991 Dion Chante Plamandon – 1,500,000 1992 Celine Dion – 5,700,000 1993 The Colour Of My Love – 16,600,000 1995 D'Eux – 7,200,000 - Biggest French album in history 1996 Falling Into You – 28,100,000 1997 Let's Talk About Love – 29,800,000 1998 S'Il Suffisait D'Aimer – 3,900,000 1998 These Are Special Times – 11,900,000 1999 All the way...A Decade of Songs - 22,900,000 Total: 131 000 000 Mariah: Chartmasters 1990 Mariah Carey - 14,395,000 1991 Emotions - 8,575,000 1993 Music Box - 26,745,000 1994 Merry Christmas - 14,350,000 1995 Daydream - 20,545,000 1997 Butterfly - 10,900,000 1998 #1s - 16,525,000 1999 Rainbow - 7,535,000 Total: 119 570 000 There's also the case for Titanic's soundtrack that plenty of outlets count as Celine's sales...which would add 30M copies as well. But even without it, the results are clear. The is factually-incorrect. Mariah sold more WW within the 90s and Chartmasters' formula is 1) highly-inaccurate with regard to pure sales and 2) their unique "formula" includes greatest hit sales and other non-album units. Not to mention the actual musical impact being worlds apart.
shyboi Posted August 2 Posted August 2 Mmm, I might have to agree, idk about the 90s tho, was Mariah really the queen? 1
shyboi Posted August 2 Posted August 2 Mmm, I might have to agree, idk about the 90s tho, was Mariah really the queen? 1
Loca Posted August 2 Posted August 2 (edited) Elvis Beatles Idk Madonna Celine Eminem Adele TBD Edited August 2 by Loca
Loca Posted August 2 Posted August 2 Taylor was a non-entity around the globe for the first half of the 2010s. Adele cleared. 2
Badgalbriel Posted August 2 Posted August 2 25 minutes ago, Loca said: Taylor was a non-entity around the globe for the first half of the 2010s. Adele cleared. And Adele was a non-entity around the globe in the second half of the 2010s as well. After 25 she laid low for the next 5 years.
Loca Posted August 2 Posted August 2 3 minutes ago, Badgalbriel said: And Adele was a non-entity around the globe in the second half of the 2010s as well. After 25 she laid low for the next 5 years. Did you fail at math in school? 25 came out in 2015 and smashed throughout 2016 as well, that leaves her inactive for the last three years of the decade only. And bombarding the general public with constant releases is not much of a metric to determine the definite artist of the decade, but swifties wouldnt understand that.
Badgalbriel Posted August 2 Posted August 2 Just now, Loca said: Did you fail at math in school? 25 came out in 2015 and smashed throughout 2016 as well, that leaves her inactive for the last three years of the decade only. And bombarding the general public with constant releases is not much of a metric to determine the definite artist of the decade, but swifties wouldnt understand that. And releasing music 2 time during 10 years is also not really an indicative of an artist that dominated the decade. She dominated the years she released. But not the decade.
Loca Posted August 2 Posted August 2 18 minutes ago, Badgalbriel said: And releasing music 2 time during 10 years is also not really an indicative of an artist that dominated the decade. She dominated the years she released. But not the decade. Oh but it is when those albums kept on dominating the charts beyond their release years. Nothing Taylor released in the 2010s comes close to 21 or 25 and you can't change that
Badgalbriel Posted August 2 Posted August 2 1 hour ago, Loca said: Oh but it is when those albums kept on dominating the charts beyond their release years. Nothing Taylor released in the 2010s comes close to 21 or 25 and you can't change that That's true. But Taylor dominated many more years because she releases more frequently. Which means she dominated the decade.
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