discussion Biden and Harris visions about foreign policies are the same right?

[vale9001]

I'm seeing all the world of influencers and celebrities are already salivating for the upcoming candidacy of Kamala Harris. Which is ok but in the last months they were really cold to Biden cause their PR team knew Biden reputation was damaged online especially after the situation in the Middle East, now Kamala Harris seems to be like the new savior for the hollywood elite will love like anything before because the narrative from a national point of view is of course very palatable.

But there will be any difference between the two candidates policies when it's about foreign and military policies?  Really not and everyone knows that. Will Hollywood  and most democrats suddenly act like they don't care about it anymore?. 

[The7thStranger]

I think we have too many serious threats in our own backyard to have the vote hinge exclusively on foreign policy, and I wouldn't expect any other country to react any differently.

Edited July 22 by The7thStranger

[Lose My Breath]

Y'all are never happy. 
 

Just vote for Trump then. 

[no_better]

5 minutes ago, Lose My Breath said:

Y'all are never happy. 
 

Just vote for Trump then. 

Come on, how can anyone be happy about US politics approach to Israel/Palestine?

 

Obviously nobody (on atrl) wants to vote for Trump but I don't think people want to vote for funding of a genocide either, and I guess Biden stepping down can somewhat feel like now they don't have to

[Virgos Groove]

Obviouly, Kamala is no anti-Zionist, but if rumours are to be believed, there were disagreements between Kamala and Biden's camps on the issue of a ceasefire (Kamala was in favour, Biden was against).

 

She also said she empathized with pro-Palestine protesters, which is something Biden, a staunch Zionist, would never say.

 

No one is expecting major differences on foreign policy issues (Palestine, NATO, etc.), but Kamala seems to be more pragmatic than Biden and progressives feel they can pressure her on the issue more easily than they did Biden.

Edited July 22 by Virgos Groove

[Both Sides Now]

I'm sure they are virtually identical but at least Kamala doesn't as much baggage of Biden (the Zionist lapdog since the 1970s and butcher of Gaza). 
 

Something that sticks in my mind is that Kamala announced their support of a (temporary) ceasefire and also stated she understood why young people were so passionate. Considering 99.99% of US politicians are bought by AIPAC, she is probably one of the more sympathetic ones. Pure speculation… but while Biden was probably exactly the same as Trump on Palestine, there is a chance that Kamala is more favourable. 

[XDNA]

They're not the same, but I don't have time for this. 

 

The choice is Kamala or Trump. 

[Bloodflowers.]

1 hour ago, The7thStranger said:

I think we have too many serious threats in our own backyard to have the vote hinge exclusively on foreign policy, and I wouldn't expect any other country to react any differently.

 

That's true but you also have to be in consideration that we are closer to World War 3 than ever before and Kamala will be a huge factor in how things escalate further 

 

[The7thStranger]

22 minutes ago, Bloodflowers. said:

 

That's true but you also have to be in consideration that we are closer to World War 3 than ever before and Kamala will be a huge factor in how things escalate further 

 

That is true. But Trump is a known factor that will accelerate World War 3 in a way that Kamala likely will not.

[Letemtalk]

I think the Democrat plan seems to be to let Biden continue with the genocide while allowing Kamala to distance herself from the decisions made.

 

I'm going to wait and see, but Kamala needs to do somewhat better than what she has done so far.

 

Thread of Kamala Harris and her support for Israel, including 2020 when most Democrat candidates skipped the AIPAC speech, but Kamala attended an off-the-record address to AIPAC.

 

[Bosque]

Biden officials have already confirmed that her Israel policy will not deviate from Biden's: 

https://www.timesofisrael.com/not-the-bad-cop-biden-officials-say-harris-wont-shift-course-on-supporting-israel/

 

it stands to reason that she will be in line with Biden on most or all major foreign policy decisions 

 

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"The side that leaks the most, and the side that has the most hyperbolic comments on background is the side that's losing the policy debate," they added, referring to the minority camp in the administration upset over Biden's support for Israel. The senior administration official expressed his dismay that this group includes those willing to "risk prison time to leak classified information to win a messaging war."

Moreover, the senior administration official argued that "those disappointed with President Joe Biden's policies in the Middle East will be similarly disappointed with the policies of a President Kamala Harris."

 

Edited July 22 by Bosque

[Cheers]

Every presidential candidate will support Israel. There is no candidate that will stop that. 
 

America is not currently set up for a 3rd party candidate to win. Not only will they not win, you think they're going to be able to influence the senate, house, etc. ? We need to be so fr rn and stop making it easy for the Republicans. They will do more damage to our backyard.

[TeemoR]

It's not even up to them, and I am including Trump, Biden, Kamala. It's beyond their power. They have to support Israel.

[Mezik]

I think the protection of safety of women, minorities, and the LGBTQ+ population in the U.S. should take priority over anything right now, considering Trump and project 2025 want to set America back to the Stone Age. People aren't being cute with their think pieces on how they won't vote for the Democrats and would rather their nation turn to Gilead.

[Miracle]

1 hour ago, Bosque said:

Biden officials have already confirmed that her Israel policy will not deviate from Biden's: 

https://www.timesofisrael.com/not-the-bad-cop-biden-officials-say-harris-wont-shift-course-on-supporting-israel/

 

it stands to reason that she will be in line with Biden on most or all major foreign policy decisions 

 

 

She really needs to stay away from getting that pro Israel conservatie jewish man as VP...yeah it will definitely make her a big contender for Pennsylvanis but at what price?

 

She needs to find a VP that's a white man but it's less pro Israel...Gavin basically. Or someone with a different profile that always wins in their swing srare

Edited July 22 by Miracle

[Armani?]

Very similar and she obviously supports Israel. It may be more pushback or different optics though than Biden who just didn't give a ****.

[Massive_Teardrop]

I am not voting for kamala expecting a new Israel policy. I am voting for kamala because trump's domestic and international policy package will be far more detrimental to the future of this country 

[ICLDXU4HS]

Very disturbed by the stanning and memes for this evil monster.

[liquiddiamonds]

The US is an imperialist country. There won't ever have a president with a benign foreign policy

[BrokenMachine]

Kamala is more of the same. She's just not senile. Still trash tho

 

[Richie]

As far as I know she is our only option against Donald Trump.. it is what it is. I stand with her. 

[Communion]

The mems are fun - see myself participating - but she will be expected to offer something Biden could not. Whether she chooses domestic or foreign policy is to be seen. 

 

The main difference is that she doesn't seem to be an ideologue, for better or worse. It's hard to imagine her having fully committed beliefs in some vision of American foreign policy in the way Biden, Clinton, etc did and what someone like Buttigieg terrifyingly does. 

 

Now, maybe that means she just needs a little more cash to be bought. But hopefully her vibes approach to politics means she is always guaging the barometer of where the party is at and sees that there is no appetite amongst key voting blocs for full-fledged adventurism and foreign interventionist politics. One has to wonder why her team felt important to try and frame her as upset with how harsh and unsympathetic Biden was to the suffering of Palestinians. 

 

Maybe that can manifest in at least the Overton window moving from the head of the party openly criticizing student protests as antisemites and openly identifying as a Zionist back to where Obama was claiming Israel is sabotaging a two state solution. 

 

And maybe those changes will be too marginal for those directly impacted by genocide. And I think that's okay. If Kamala takes her new chance to pitch her vision of America to the nation and tells people it includes the continued slaughtering of Palestinian children, you simply can't expect people affected by that reality to vote for her. You just simply can't. So hope and pray she does not come to that view. 

Edited July 22 by Communion

[DAP]

She's a run-of-the-mill idiot flunky for the obscenely wealthy. 

[bunnyeyes]

She's more likely to be pressured and influenced by the progressive wing which is what we're hoping for, with the tiny hope from of all the stories that have leaked on Kamala fighting Biden on Palestine privately that she wasn't able to publicly. If she wins I think eventually she'll do what she can to separate herself from Biden-world, though obviously right now she has to kiss up.

[Horizon Flame]

Trump will have Palestinians blown off the face of the Earth. He cheerleaded the moving of the Israeli embassy. You think Palestinians have it tough now. Trump will eradicate them over night. 
 

The Western world is pro-Israel. It's an ally. That's never going to change. It's foreign policy. No president or prime minister can turn their back on them. Basically you're voting for who will do less damage.