ThePopStop Posted July 12 Posted July 12 43 minutes ago, M!X said: the problem is not this song. The problem is that Katy Perry is the pop girl equivalent of Nickelback,Maroon 5, LMFAO she is everything that people dislike about pop music - vapid, generic, no sense of style or any sort of substance, the lyrics are always A grade awful that they are borderline offensive, creepy sexual image combined with kindergarten aesthetic (stolen from those comic books) and awful vocals on top of all of it. I will not even mention Dr. Luke I used to be able to listen to her music like a decade ago, but now as I am older it's obvious how bad and cringe everything she released is bar maybe few songs, I am actually shocked that in the era where we had Rihanna, Gaga and Beyonce at their peaks, Katy Perry was considered their peer and had similar success vise. It's obvious people share this sentiment and finally saw her for what she was during Witness era I would say that even Selena Gomez who is always called the most talentless and worst MPG here has much better, more mature and interesting pop catalogue than Katy if you compare her to all the other MPGs, all of them have some sort of edge, dash of personalty, some sort of interesting quirks in their music, they act and look like adults Katy Perry on the other end is the actual Mc Donalds of pop music, or she used to be when she was successful, now she's just that trashy local bodega you go to after a drunk night out This is wonderfully written and hilariously true. But I will say this: Katy gave us dance bops with silly lyrics at a time when the other pop girls were all busy trying to be fine art. What's interesting though is that Rihanna was never musically respected at her peak either, yet she still managed to grow one of the largest and most loyal fanbases. And I think that's why we wear rose colored glasses at Rihanna's peak vs Katy. I can think of all these stories I've read about wonderful fan interactions with Gaga, Taylor, Rihanna, etc. but with Katy I don't ever remember reading a single one. We all love Katy's brand of music but not necessarily her as a person. So we're all much quicker to judge and shade her. 1
Bimbo Posted July 12 Posted July 12 29 minutes ago, Marry Illusion Glory said: YOUR corny trolling ass was busy instigating, antagonizing, stirring **** between fanbases and in this entire process, setting her up for WEEKS. OT: All the lashings are 100% DESERVED. She brought this entire thing upon herself. Nobody else. CLOCK the weirdo 1 1
Kern Posted July 12 Posted July 12 1 hour ago, ImsoLOUD said: Stan culture has ruined pop. No, Katy Perry did with that horrible garbage song produced by rapist 1
stevyy Posted July 12 Posted July 12 11 minutes ago, HappierJealousy said: The hate is simply because the song is awful, so she deserves. I see people hyping her up everyday on TikTok and it turns out to be a song like this I disagree... nobody deserves HATE. HATE is such a cruel emotion to feel and should be reserved for monstrous people who committed horrible crimes, not pop stars who released a song you may not like.
stevyy Posted July 12 Posted July 12 4 minutes ago, Kern said: No, Katy Perry did with that horrible garbage song produced by rapist This one song has certainly not had any impact and therefore couldn't have been responsible for ruining pop music or the way people behave in public spaces such as this forum. Stan culture and the way people lost any and all inhibitions is truly a mental condition. People should think and then type and beware that their attitude could be a part of the problem - not the solution. 1
M!X Posted July 12 Posted July 12 3 minutes ago, ThePopStop said: This is wonderfully written and hilariously true. But I will say this: Katy gave us dance bops with silly lyrics at a time when the other pop girls were all busy trying to be fine art. What's interesting though is that Rihanna was never musically respected at her peak either, yet she still managed to grow one of the largest and most loyal fanbases. And I think that's why we wear rose colored glasses at Rihanna's peak vs Katy. I can think of all these stories I've read about wonderful fan interactions with Gaga, Taylor, Rihanna, etc. but with Katy I don't ever remember reading a single one. We all love Katy's brand of music but not necessarily her as a person. So we're all much quicker to judge and shade her. Now that you mentioned Rihanna - yes Rih can be dragged for not writing her music, having some terrible performance, being label puppet, but on the other hand, just take a look at her discography, her videography, her lyrics, the production, the overall nerve Rihanna had in her output just on top of my head lead single Russian Roulette, actual dub step production by actual dub step producers like Wait Your Turn, Man Down video/song, We Found Love song/video, the entire ANTI album... There's actually edge and personality to what she did Katy on the other hand built her career on Dr. Luke songs that sound like other songs and worse-than-AI-generated lyrics like Firework, Roar - her videography is hilariously awful since Prism. Everything about her is so calculated, predictable, PR'd and lacking any sort of self-awarness. Her peak ''pop classic album'' has a line that says you make me feel like I am losing my virginity lol 2
ugo Posted July 12 Posted July 12 1 hour ago, Kukai said: Y'all seem to forget Katy created One of the Boys and Teenage Dream. Two albums that will live in the annals of pop music history They will truly live in the ANAL of pop music 1
ugo Posted July 12 Posted July 12 12 minutes ago, stevyy said: I disagree... nobody deserves HATE. HATE is such a cruel emotion to feel and should be reserved for monstrous people who committed horrible crimes, not pop stars who released a song you may not like. Anyone deserves hate for working with a Rapist and making it a winky moment at their victim 5
ThePopStop Posted July 12 Posted July 12 4 minutes ago, M!X said: Now that you mentioned Rihanna - yes Rih can be dragged for not writing her music, having some terrible performance, being label puppet, but on the other hand, just take a look at her discography, her videography, her lyrics, the production, the overall nerve Rihanna had in her output just on top of my head lead single Russian Roulette, actual dub step production by actual dub step producers like Wait Your Turn, Man Down video/song, We Found Love song/video, the entire ANTI album... There's actually edge and personality to what she did All that tells me is that Rihanna had an amazing team with great taste that aligned with what she wanted to do. Until ANTI, I haven't heard any stories of Rihanna's creative input being critical to any of her successful work. The most she's been credited with is having good taste at picking which demos to record and release. I think that's why she's the most disconnected from her own work and success, and currently has no motivation to return to music. Her own work isn't meaningful to her beyond the memories of performing and being a celebrity.
M!X Posted July 12 Posted July 12 8 minutes ago, ThePopStop said: All that tells me is that Rihanna had an amazing team with great taste that aligned with what she wanted to do. Until ANTI, I haven't heard any stories of Rihanna's creative input being critical to any of her successful work. The most she's been credited with is having good taste at picking which demos to record and release. I think that's why she's the most disconnected from her own work and success, and currently has no motivation to return to music. Her own work isn't meaningful to her beyond the memories of performing and being a celebrity. but she as a pop brand still left some sort of memorable mark on the entire pop landscape - that was my point - people would genuinely be excited for the prospect of new Rihanna music based on what she brought to the table in the past... with Katy on the other hand - people have moved on - Woman World is on the same level as Roar - but it's just - no one cares anymore, because it's so redundant like I honestly do not have a problem with the song itself (if we ingore the entire theme and the fact Dr Luke is inovled)- it's a standard Katy song - terrible cringe lyrics with a colorful dumbed down generic video....the same thing she has been doing for her entire career 1
ThePopStop Posted July 12 Posted July 12 2 minutes ago, M!X said: but she as a pop brand still left some sort of memorable mark on the entire pop landscape - that was my point - people would genuinely be excited for the prospect of new Rihanna music based on what she brought to the table in the past... with Katy on the other hand - people have moved on - Woman World is on the same level as Roar - but it's just - no one cares anymore, because it's so redundant like I honestly do not have a problem with the song itself (if we ingore the entire theme and the fact Dr Luke is inovled)- it's a standard Katy song - terrible cringe lyrics with a colorful dumbed down generic video....the same thing she has been doing for her entire career True! I was actually just thinking about how Roar was equally boring in terms of production and equally cheesy with lyrics, yet it was still a massive success. I do think payola at the time played a big role because it was all over the radio and I did start to like it after hearing it many, many times. But even to this day I will enjoy it if it's playing on the radio or playlist but I'll never pick to hear the song myself.
Dad Posted July 12 Posted July 12 She has been through a lot, she hasn't had a hit in a decade, leave her alone! There are bigger targets people can hate on, why katy? She gave us lots of bops and has her place in pop history. Attack some of the new girls who are bland and boring, katy has made a lot of bad decisions, mainly going back to dr luke. But can you blame her, she has been flopping ever since she left him, she probably thought it was the only way she could have a hit. I love a good drag as much as the next gay but katy perry is not deserving of all this hate and faux outrage she gets. She is one of the OG pop girlies, put some respect on her name. Katherine hudson will always be famous, stop being so negative all the time , imagine if something happened to her, you girls would be singing her praises. As a Gaga fan i can admit it was funny dragging her, maybe a decade ago, but it is 2024, she is harmless, leave her alone! Nothing she has done warrants the kind of hate she is getting right now 3 17
Lagerfeld Posted July 12 Posted July 12 We need to defend Katy. Let's make sure we watch over Katy. We'll have Katy's back. 3
M!X Posted July 12 Posted July 12 2 minutes ago, Dad said: Attack some of the new girls who are bland and boring, can you give examples? I hope you certainly do not mean actual talented interesting artists like Billie or Olivia who are like...superior to Katy in every way 6 1 1
iHype. Posted July 12 Posted July 12 I think she has good intentions she's just very tone deaf and unaware. People really do too much with her. She clearly is someone who tries to do good while the hate she gets is if she's the one who's committed horrible crimes herself. The song being critiqued is deserved (weak song) as well as people questioning the Dr. Luke assistance but the whole boycotting and legitimately trying to tear her apart is doing too much and isn't done with purpose of trying to help someone correct a mistake made with good intention. 6
mrpartyrocker Posted July 12 Posted July 12 Girl there's no need to write a whole essay. It's her own doing. It's not like we obligated everyone and the biggest critics in the world to hate katy perry's new single. People clearly don't agree with her choice of working with dr luke and the song is just bad (although katy kats refuse to see it)! she could've had the biggest comeback since adele's 30, but she chose to recreate a worse version of stupid love (and stupid love is BAD) with dr luke. What did she expect? With all the money she has she could've worked with the current hottest producers and recreate teenage dream!! It's her own doing, stop making it seem like people are hating for no reason 2 1
popstyle Posted July 12 Posted July 12 Im at the point where im just gonna enjoy the music and not read into the hate. The era is going to be panned regardless because of who she worked with. We all know who started this smear campaign. 8 1 4
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