Vegvisir Posted June 20 Posted June 20 1 minute ago, Taylor fanboy said: See when you question the culture, the culture doesn't question you back. Tough love. Tough respect. This, 1000%.
halcyonday Posted June 20 Author Posted June 20 5 minutes ago, Vegvisir said: It has nothing to do with acclaim, and has everything to do with artistic integrity. Lana working with Quavo isn't about the controversy, or endorsing anything he's done or said in the past - it's about tuning into a specific artistic frequency and engaging with it. Literally EVERYTHING she's done in her career is based around that. She's not endorsing or advocating a moral stance, she's making art with everything around her, and not limiting herself out of fear of how others will react. Katy is working with her ex-friend's rapist in a desperate attempt to revitalize her fossilized career. There is a very huge, VERY clear difference. You clearly don't understand the topic. It's not about Katy and Luke vs Lana and Quave. It's about both working with Quave, but according to you Lana's artistic integrity allows her to work with a homophobe but Katy's doesn't. 1
BrokenMachine Posted June 20 Posted June 20 Lana gets a pass because she has been getting backlash and lashings since 2011, the GP and stan twitter are just tired at this point 1 3
halcyonday Posted June 20 Author Posted June 20 the fact that someone says that Lana working with a homophobe is fine cuz "Literally EVERYTHING she's done in her career is based around that." :toofunny: 1
Vegvisir Posted June 20 Posted June 20 2 minutes ago, halcyonday said: You clearly don't understand the topic. It's not about Katy and Luke vs Lana and Quave. It's about both working with Quave, but according to you Lana's artistic integrity allows her to work with a homophobe but Katy's doesn't. Girl bye, I've answered your question multiple times now and given you specific reasons why Lana will not receive backlash for this collab. You brought Katy up. You compared Lana's collab to Katy working with Dr Luke on a song about WOMANHOOD. I dissected your comparisons and gave you my opinion on the matter. I know this L is probably the hardest for your base to take considering this was Katy's last real shot at a hit, but you're just setting yourself up now with these threads. 1 4
Vegvisir Posted June 20 Posted June 20 Just now, halcyonday said: the fact that someone says that Lana working with a homophobe is fine cuz "Literally EVERYTHING she's done in her career is based around that." :toofunny:
halcyonday Posted June 20 Author Posted June 20 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Vegvisir said: Girl bye, I've answered your question multiple times now and given you specific reasons why Lana will not receive backlash for this collab. You brought Katy up. You compared Lana's collab to Katy working with Dr Luke on a song about WOMANHOOD. I dissected your comparisons and gave you my opinion on the matter. I know this L is probably the hardest for your base to take considering this was Katy's last real shot at a hit, but you're just setting yourself up now with these threads. I know the picture you wanna paint here like I'm defending Katy everywhere for the Puke thing, but that's not even the case? I dragged here myself and created the thread myself I brought Katy up, because she also worked with Quavo - which is the point of the thread, not Luke. I didn't compare Lana and Quavo to Katy and Luke, not even once. Read again. The entire thread is based on Katy and Quavo's collab "Bon Appetit". Where did you take the fake info from? I know as a Monster yourself who's still traumatized by 2013 as you admitted yourself, you wanna go all out, but you're just making **** up. The entire thread is all about Quavo, you compared it to Katy and Luke yourself. Glad to know that Lana working with homophobes is "Literally EVERYTHING she's done in her career is based around that." according to you tho. Edited June 20 by halcyonday 3
halcyonday Posted June 20 Author Posted June 20 25 minutes ago, Venice B said: Depends. Sincere or not, Quavo issued an apology after his comments. Also, do you really want to compare him with Dr. Puke? Quavo's comments didn't phisically harm anyone unlike your fave's collaborator who literally abused women phisically and mentally. And yes, if Katy released a good song at least her lack of morals would pay off. But she's currently not capable of releasing a good song to save her life. So yeah, go stream that woman anthem produced by an abuser and keep talking about how Lana releasing a song with Quavo is "just as bad" No, I don't compare him to dr Luke. Read again. I'm talking about his Katy collab and now his Lana collab. If I remember correctly Camila also apologized for her racist remarks yet this forum still brings that up to call her a racist so I guess apology statements shouldn't matter to ATRL users? 1
NOW Posted June 20 Posted June 20 Tbh Lana always faces backlash to the extent that this collab is not even worth sweating over at this point 1
Darius Posted June 20 Posted June 20 lol the more likely thing is that she'll make a backlash-worthy IG post
Villas Posted June 20 Posted June 20 it was years ago and general public didn't cancelled him after that so yes she'll get a pass. your fave is dumb and out of reality to keep repeating same mistake. At least, if she were capable to release a good song but that's also something which we don't hear from such longtime 1
Jay07 Posted June 20 Posted June 20 Lana managed to move past her own Question for the Culture which was extremely problematic frankly so I don't think she will have any issues for someone else. Having a loyal fanbase and consistently delivering quality works. Also when is the last time Quavo said something homophobic? This feels like very very old news.
Joesuxx Posted June 20 Posted June 20 7 hours ago, halcyonday said: Worse, it was produced by jack antanoff btw i didnt know lana worked with quavo on her 5x grammy nominated album oh oh No but ya shady ass knew she worked with Judah
Ghost Posted June 21 Posted June 21 Katy and Lana are clearly held to different standards by the internet public because of the way their career are shaped and the way they've made themselves be perceived. I'm not talking about the general public because they don't give a ****. So this means that working with two despicable people will lead one to be criticzed and mocked, and one to get a pass, which is wrong. But sadly it is what it is. They should both be equally be questioned and condemned for such a choice but they won't. And it's super sad to see people claiming that being critically acclaimed and seen as a great musician gives you an excuse for these kinds of collabs it shows that some of you only care about the status and the cool factor of the artists you like, not the actual moral implications that their choices bear.
bielneira Posted June 23 Posted June 23 On 6/20/2024 at 1:34 PM, Jay07 said: Also when is the last time Quavo said something homophobic? This feels like very very old news. So just because Dr. Piece of **** r-word Kesha a decade ago and never again, he's forgiven? LOL Your argument stinks fr 2
modeblock Posted June 23 Posted June 23 ZERO, because she doesn't pretend to be some beacon of morality like certain artists, including ms. Perry since woke pop era, etc.
modeblock Posted June 23 Posted June 23 Oh, and she consistently delivers excellent, influential work - who is going to turn their back on that? Katy on the other hand....well...she's been rihleasing mostly shite for about 8 years now. 1
Marianah Adkins Posted June 23 Posted June 23 Lana has always been polarizing since her debut, whether for her music or for her questionable views. And yet she stood the test of time. Katy was never as polarizing (aside from her whipped cone bras and her generally shitty musical output).
suburbannature Posted June 23 Posted June 23 On 6/20/2024 at 12:46 PM, halcyonday said: the fact that someone says that Lana working with a homophobe is fine cuz "Literally EVERYTHING she's done in her career is based around that." :toofunny: I don't even understand that - she loves the gayz
Jay07 Posted June 23 Posted June 23 3 hours ago, bielneira said: So just because Dr. Piece of **** r-word Kesha a decade ago and never again, he's forgiven? LOL Your argument stinks fr A. Luke has a long long history of abuse and harassment towards multiple women in the industry, not just Kesha. Also Pink, Kelly Clarkson etc. B. Quavo apologized and has taken steps to make amends. Bringing it back up 8 years later to attack Lana and defend Luke is what stinks fr 1
ChooseyLover Posted June 23 Posted June 23 4 hours ago, Jay07 said: A. Luke has a long long history of abuse and harassment towards multiple women in the industry, not just Kesha. Also Pink, Kelly Clarkson etc. B. Quavo apologized and has taken steps to make amends. Bringing it back up 8 years later to attack Lana and defend Luke is what stinks fr Quavo is a woman beater. I wouldn't want to die on that hill. 2
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