kellebrity98 Posted July 12 Posted July 12 Just now, Johnny Jacobs said: Kesha couldn't what makes you think she could? kesha's last three albums were made under kemosbe yet there's no Luke songs.
Illuminati Posted July 12 Posted July 12 It's been explained so many times. Katy and Kesha have known each other since Katy's debut single, she's been a witness to Kesha's situation, her abuse, her trials for the past decade, literally and figuratively. It's more than just her being trapped in some contract like Doja (who vowed to not work with Dr Luke again), it's personal. 11
Illuminati Posted July 12 Posted July 12 (edited) 9 minutes ago, kellebrity98 said: so? she can reject working with him but she didn't. She did, her last album had no Dr Luke songs Katy's court deposition revealed she had a 3 album contract with Dr Luke, it seems that Doja had that too, since she changed producers the moment she started working on her fourth one. Edited July 12 by Illuminati
Vixen Eyes Posted July 12 Posted July 12 (edited) 5 minutes ago, kellebrity98 said: kesha's last three albums were made under kemosbe yet there's no Luke songs. because the label stepped in when Kesha released the Zedd song and forced luke to let her work with other producers without him @TomTom can explain it best Edited July 12 by Vixen Eyes 2
ATRL Moderator Ampersand13 Posted July 12 ATRL Moderator Posted July 12 3 minutes ago, kellebrity98 said: kesha's last three albums were made under kemosbe yet there's no Luke songs. I could be wrong but I believe Doja has alluded to not wanting to work with him and having a strict contract that demanded she did. Also, Kelly Clarkson literally begged her label to work with anyone aside from Dr Luke for MLWSWY and yet they forced her to anyway. It's been proven that there are numerous instances in which artists do not have the liberty to work with whomever they like. In any case I don't think these cases are the same. Gaga, P!nk, Kelly, Miranda Cosgrove, Becky G, Bebe etc. they've come out to support Kesha and many have publicly stated what an awful person Dr. Luke is. Point being, regardless how you feel about Kesha and Dr. Luke's situation, when that many artists with personal ties come to someone's defense, it's clear to me that Dr. Luke is, at the very least, a vile human being. In Katy's case, she has no obligation to continue working with him. She's choosing to do so willingly in spite of many many women sharing their horrific experiences with Dr. Luke. Personally, that's the biggest difference and what warrants criticism. 1 7
Itz_Dani! Posted July 12 Author Posted July 12 17 minutes ago, Johnny Jacobs said: Doja is signed to his label. Katy wasn't. Makes sense enough for you? So she can't just quit the label? If she was so truly against working with him she could find another one easily, so this argument is invalid. 5
Illuminati Posted July 12 Posted July 12 4 minutes ago, Itz_Dani! said: So she can't just quit the label? If she was so truly against working with him she could find another one easily, so this argument is invalid. She LITERALLY can't, that's what got your fave into court when Kesha tried to leave Sony
punisher Posted July 12 Posted July 12 4 minutes ago, Itz_Dani! said: So she can't just quit the label? If she was so truly against working with him she could find another one easily, so this argument is invalid. you think one of the most successful artists in the world right now could just… leave?
TomTom Posted July 12 Posted July 12 17 minutes ago, kellebrity98 said: kesha's last three albums were made under kemosbe yet there's no Luke songs. Kesha was able to work without Dr. Luke after two years of litigation and having to file a motion for a preliminary injunction against Dr. Luke. Dr. Luke reluctantly accepted to let Kesha record music without him thanks to massive public pressure from the #FreeKesha movement after Kesha had lost her motion for a preliminary injunction, forcing Sony executives to convince Dr. Luke to stop enforcing his right to record at least six songs on every Kesha album. Rather than agreeing to let Kesha go, Dr. Luke kept fighting aggressively to not let Kesha out of her contract despite not working with him and opted to sue Kesha for damages for every album she did not work with him. The lengths Kesha had to go to be able to record music without Dr. Luke are a deterring example for everyone who is in a similar situation. 2 4
vale9001 Posted July 12 Posted July 12 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Illuminati said: It's been explained so many times. Katy and Kesha have known each other since Katy's debut single, she's been a witness to Kesha's situation, her abuse, her trials for the past decade, literally and figuratively. It's more than just her being trapped in some contract like Doja (who vowed to not work with Dr Luke again), it's personal. And this Is still doesn't explain your personal hypocrisy of streaming dr. Luke stuff depends on the artist. You explained Katy hypocrisy. What about yours? Edited July 12 by vale9001 1
professor2000 Posted July 12 Posted July 12 24 minutes ago, kellebrity98 said: so? she can reject working with him but she didn't. She did on Scarlet… ? lol 1
Janet Posted July 12 Posted July 12 But he didn't touch her latest album at all? So why are you making this pointless thread 1
Rino Posted July 12 Posted July 12 I don't believe that a person with 1.6K posts geniunely doesn't know the answer to this question. stop acting obtuse and wake the hell up - Katy Perry in 2024 is not a hill worth dying on. 2
perfect blue Posted July 12 Posted July 12 4 minutes ago, vale9001 said: And this Is still doesn't explain your personal hypocrisy of streaming dr. Luke stuff depends on the artist. You explained Katy hypocrisy. What about yours? This is what we should be discussing. 1
Illuminati Posted July 12 Posted July 12 (edited) 6 minutes ago, vale9001 said: And this Is still doesn't explain your personal hypocrisy of streaming dr. Luke stuff depends on the artist. You explained Katy hypocrisy. What about yours? What about mine? I don't listen to these people. The fact that Doja is on the side of Kesha, Marina, Pink, Kelly and all the other women who had negative experiences with Dr Luke is enough for me to at least back her up with facts. I don't even stream Kesha's old music, but if I did it wouldn't change my stance in her fight for what's right Edited July 12 by Illuminati
Headlock Posted July 12 Posted July 12 18 minutes ago, Itz_Dani! said: So she can't just quit the label? If she was so truly against working with him she could find another one easily, so this argument is invalid. Literally no, you have been on this site for almost a decade and don't know how music labels work? 1
40_L3VE Posted July 12 Posted July 12 41 minutes ago, kellebrity98 said: so? she can reject working with him but she didn't. No, Doja couldn't if she wanted music out. And I think she didn't even work with him on some (most?) of the songs he's credited on. He just slapped his name on the credits because it's his label. Katy Perry could have chosen any producer she wanted and she chose Dr. Luke.
Pheromosa Posted July 12 Posted July 12 Some of you spend all ******* day on this site and still don't understand basic music business rules
Delirious Posted July 12 Posted July 12 1 hour ago, perfect blue said: Deluded stans suffering from cognitive dissonance self-soothe by telling themselves that Doja was contractually obligated to work with Luke. In their mind this is a valid excuse to stream Dr. Luke's music. Despite the fact that, at the end of the day, every stream they give to Doja Cat or Ethel Cain pads Dr. Luke's wallet. The outcome is the same. I totally forgot that ethel cain is with dr luke. so much for being woke lol
shimind Posted July 12 Posted July 12 Doja is benefiting from her skin colour and race she belongs to. They know that a black woman cant be dragged else the one dragging her will be called racist etc so its easy to pick on katy because she's a white woman. Poor her. I feel so bad for her. 1 4
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