Princess Aurora Posted June 18 Posted June 18 Katy's decision of having Dr Luke as her producer again but not Benny Blanco and Max Martin is disappointing tbh
Peak Now Posted June 18 Posted June 18 Let's be honest it's mainly because Katy doesn't make what yall consider good music Btw the correct "solution" to this IMO is that they should all be dragged for working with Lukas (unless they were forced to via contract) so don't get it twisted
glitch Posted June 18 Posted June 18 6 hours ago, fever2288 said: Outside of ATRL and few twitter users, no one really cares if Katy is working with him. And if she served the bop not even them would care That's because outside of music fans, most people aren't looking at production credits on a song and don't even know the names of producers. I remember back when the Kesha/Dr Luke thing all kicked off in 2016, it was the first time I'd even heard of him. 1
glitch Posted June 18 Posted June 18 1 hour ago, alexrex said: Because that shows her true colors and how her morals are pretty weak. Basically this too. Kim and Doja have been dragged for working with him (as have Nicki, Saweetie and Latto) but I think the most egregious thing about Katy is that she stopped working with him for a period. It was clearly never about doing the right thing and just about trying to keep her image clean. Now that it's "acceptable" to work with him again, she's gone running back. Shout out to Pink and Kelly Clarkson who actually have the guts to call out this disgusting man. 4
Navyofbadgals Posted June 18 Posted June 18 I mean for what it's worth Doja's collaborations with Luke seemed purely contractual, and his contributions on PH have been contested by Doja herself. Kim gets dragged and should be dragged more because just like Katy no contract is forcing her to work with Luke 2
K$Ellie Posted June 18 Posted June 18 there's something to be said about ditching dr luke when it wasn't socially acceptable to work with him and then running back to him when your career is falling apart 3
Navyofbadgals Posted June 18 Posted June 18 Also.. releasing a female empowerment anthem produced by him makes a bad situation worse 1
ATRL Moderator supaspaz Posted June 18 ATRL Moderator Posted June 18 They all suck. I hope that clears it up. 1 5
Relampago. Posted June 18 Posted June 18 2 hours ago, Navyofbadgals said: I mean for what it's worth Doja's collaborations with Luke seemed purely contractual, and his contributions on PH have been contested by Doja herself. Kim gets dragged and should be dragged more because just like Katy no contract is forcing her to work with Luke Literally this, pretty sure Doja denounced his work with her, and Kim IS lashed for this on the daily so
taylor__fan Posted June 18 Posted June 18 They have been criticized as they should. But I guess the case with katy is different because she was actually mentioned and part of the legal case between Kesha and Luke.
Jay07 Posted June 18 Posted June 18 Kim Petras was always criticized for working with him and Doja was locked in a contract with him, she did everything she could not to have him on Scarlet. Katy made a conscious decision to go back to him after everything.
Alex Posted June 18 Posted June 18 Just to clear this up for Doja, who is in a completely different situation than the rest of the mainstream artists who are not contractually bound to his record label and willingly work with him, Doja signed her contract with Kemosabe at 17 prior to Luke vs. Kesha lawsuit dropping. As soon as it did, her career was basically shelved as his label basically crumbled once Luke was axed from Sony and simply turned into a vanity label for Luke's publishing and the remaining artists that were signed to the label. The only artists who are still releasing music (aka are still under contract) under Kemosabe are Doja Cat and Becky G, which again is merely a financial benefit and technicality for Luke despite both of their parent labels (RCA/Sony) doing the heavy lifting as they are the actual functioning labels. Luke only started conveniently paying attention to Doja again after A. completely ignoring and having 0 involvement in her debut album's release and B. once Doja went viral on her own with Moo!, which eventually lead to sessions for Hot Pink and Planet Her. Despite this, Doja actively decided to make sure he wasn't involved in any of Scarlet, which in turn saw Luke add himself onto more songwriting credits from Planet Her tracks such as Been Like This and Ain't **** (despite him being nowhere on the CD liner credits for those...) TLDR: Doja doesn't even work with him anymore, publicly denounced needing him to produce her future songs AND implied that certain songwriting credits where he is credited on her songs is fraudulent (which proved to be true). There's a difference between actively seeking out work with him despite having no contractual ties (Nicki Minaj, Saweetie, Lil Durk, Latto, Katy Perry, Kim Petras prior to signing to Amigo, etc.) versus being locked up in an iron-clad old contract and having to roll with the punches. 4
professor2000 Posted June 18 Posted June 18 11 hours ago, KatyPrismSpirit said: scarlet (the album with zero dr. luke) was literally released under Kemosabe so this "she is stuck in a contract" argument is probably not true. He got added to more credits on Planet Her tracks almost a year after release. So it's believed that was the exchange for her not working with him at all on Scarlet. Makes sense to me. Her involvement with him has been 100% contractual + phoned in (as she said she hasn't seen him in "years"). And even that is no longer the case post-Scarlet. 6 hours ago, Gladiator said: What do you mean allowed? Kim and Doja get so much criticism for working with him. This. Even after she stopped working with him, she's still being brought up (like now). People don't actually care to understand Doja's actual position on the matter, they just want to use her as a talking point for whatever point they trying to make. She clearly doesn't like him + doesn't want to be involved with him. Shes said so publicly even. AND stopped working with him despite being signed to him. What else do yall want?
mxoonlight Posted June 18 Posted June 18 thank god doja and kim both suck now so i don't have to pretend to care and just watch y'all argue 1
Lose My Breath Posted June 18 Posted June 18 57 minutes ago, mxoonlight said: thank god doja and kim both suck now so i don't have to pretend to care and just watch y'all argue You mean Doja sucks now with her latest album that has no Dr. Luke produced tracks?
professor2000 Posted June 18 Posted June 18 …yall give that man way too much credit with them generic ass beats. "You Right" I probably the only decent production he did for her that was remotely interesting as an instrumental. Rules, NTK, SS…all are just subpar beats without Doja vocals and flow to elevate them. 1
makeme Posted June 18 Posted June 18 3 hours ago, professor2000 said: …yall give that man way too much credit with them generic ass beats. "You Right" I probably the only decent production he did for her that was remotely interesting as an instrumental. Rules, NTK, SS…all are just subpar beats without Doja vocals and flow to elevate them. NTK is the most basic repetitive beat. Doja's vocals and lyrics make that song 2
Johnny Jacobs Posted July 12 Posted July 12 (edited) Doja is signed to his label. Katy wasn't. Makes sense enough for you? Edited July 12 by Johnny Jacobs 1 1 1
kellebrity98 Posted July 12 Posted July 12 1 minute ago, Johnny Jacobs said: Doja is signed to his label. Katy wasn't. Makes sense enough for you? so? she can reject working with him but she didn't.
perfect blue Posted July 12 Posted July 12 Deluded stans suffering from cognitive dissonance self-soothe by telling themselves that Doja was contractually obligated to work with Luke. In their mind this is a valid excuse to stream Dr. Luke's music. Despite the fact that, at the end of the day, every stream they give to Doja Cat or Ethel Cain pads Dr. Luke's wallet. The outcome is the same. 5 1
WokeEqualist Posted July 12 Posted July 12 Doja has an old ass contract that ties her to him. Katy works with him willingly, like Kim Petras does 2
Johnny Jacobs Posted July 12 Posted July 12 2 minutes ago, kellebrity98 said: so? she can reject working with him but she didn't. Kesha couldn't what makes you think she could? 3
Trash Posted July 12 Posted July 12 This gets discussed here every other week (Not only Katy, but Kim). The last couple of weeks it was discussed daily, is a thread really necessary? 3 1 2
NothingIsReal Posted July 12 Posted July 12 Woman's World was the WORST crime Luke ever committed 2 4
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