QueenB Posted June 18 Posted June 18 1 hour ago, visions said: The difference is Kesha and Katy were good friends. Katy is working with her ex friends' rapist. There's something more sinister about that than Doja or Kim choosing to work with him. It's about betrayal whether the friendship still exists or not. I don't get this narrative, Kesha was literally spreading to 3rd parties that Katy was r*ped by Dr Luke, and in the same messages made fun of her personality. I hate dr luke as the next person but what Kesha did to Katy was low down and dirty 3
LanaXtinaFan Posted June 18 Posted June 18 (edited) Well for one the song is called WOMANS World produced by an abusive MAN. Make it make sense. Edited to add rapist in as well. Edited June 18 by LanaXtinaFan 1
LastGreatBloodline Posted June 18 Posted June 18 1 hour ago, KatyPrismSpirit said: scarlet (the album with zero dr. luke) was literally released under Kemosabe so this "she is stuck in a contract" argument is probably not true. huh? that literally gives more power to the argument that she's actually trying to get away from him. She got a massive era with Planet Her and now she's able to pick her own producer, but she's still contractually tied to his label. 1 1
Vixen Eyes Posted June 18 Posted June 18 1 minute ago, QueenB said: I don't get this narrative, Kesha was literally spreading to 3rd parties that Katy was r*ped by Dr Luke, and in the same messages made fun of her personality. I hate dr luke as the next person but what Kesha did to Katy was low down and dirty I forget who specifically, I think it was Kesha's attorney? that had speculated to Kesha about Luke and Katy and Kesha was only telling Gaga because it was already in discussion for her personal experience. Sure it was wrong to speculate, but Kesha was talking to Gaga in private about it. She wasn't going online on a smear campaign about Katy. 3
Tistotal Posted June 18 Posted June 18 No one cares about this outside gagadaily a shame it's a bad song though!
makeme Posted June 18 Posted June 18 8 minutes ago, Vixen Eyes said: Dojas bf is/was at least synonymous to a neo nazi. I don't remember the details and i can't really be bothered this late in the night to look it up but it's at least something to keep in mind. Interesting. I'm only finding this on him Quote According to Rolling Stone, it appears he emotionally manipulated moderators for his Twitch, and flirted with women who were young but not minors. Cyrus' moderators accused the creator of taking advantage of his position of power by allegedly manipulating and lying to several moderators — allegations that didn't garner mainstream attention because of Cyrus's low follower count on the site. Fans also alleged that Cyrus would flirt and message young female fans that were of age, but significantly younger than him 1
cloudbusting Posted June 18 Posted June 18 1 hour ago, CottageHore said: Not y'all with your selective memory. PLZ. Kim has received an unfair amount of backlash and hatred for working with Dr. Luke since she burst on the scene and hasn't been able to escape the criticism since. Doja is a different story. I love Doja but because she's not trans, people are more forgiving with her. Katy could work with any producer she wants, going to Dr. Luke is a CHOICE she made and idgaf. He's a great producer, so I don't blame her but let's not act like Katy's some martyr because nothing could be further from the truth. Not denying that Kim gets transphobic hate, but her criticism specifically related to Luke stems from that partnership starting AFTER Kesha's lawsuit. Doja doesn't get less heat because she's cis - she's openly expressed frustration about working with Luke for years + she signed to him before the news broke. Even without knowing her specific contract details, they're obviously different situations. 2
Vixen Eyes Posted June 18 Posted June 18 3 minutes ago, makeme said: Interesting. I'm only finding this on him I can't find the thread I read about it in but I did find this Back in October she wore a shirt with a neo Nazi on it Quote Sam Hyde is a longstanding far-right activist with a history of racism, homophobia, misogyny and spreading anti-semitic conspiracy theories. He has links to some of America's best-known white nationalists and neo-Nazis, and in 2017 pledged $5,000 towards the legal defense fund of Andrew Anglin, the founder and editor of neo-Nazi website The Daily Stormer, which posted hundreds of racist articles targeting black people, Arabs and Jews. More on Sam Hyde Quote After being called out in the comments, Doja deleted the photo and reposted with the shirt cropped out, although she seemed to be annoyed about it: "🙄🙄🙄…" Wait I found it. It didn't say he was a Nazi but he was a sexual abuser
visions Posted June 18 Posted June 18 15 minutes ago, QueenB said: I don't get this narrative, Kesha was literally spreading to 3rd parties that Katy was r*ped by Dr Luke, and in the same messages made fun of her personality. I hate dr luke as the next person but what Kesha did to Katy was low down and dirty Spreading to 3rd parties? As far as I know Kesha and Gaga were both told by a music exec about that Katy rumour, and they talked about it in private which was made public because Dr Luke forced those private texts into evidence. And I'm not sure making fun of a personality is on the same level of what we're discussing here either. 2
manuelalex9810 Posted June 18 Posted June 18 No one cares about the case or who's Dr. Luke outside of ATRL and some parts of Twitter
Green Posted June 18 Posted June 18 Not only them. Nicki Minaj Latto / Mariah Lil Durk / J. Cole Saweetie just to name a few https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dr._Luke_production_discography#Produced_and_co-produced_songs
TomTom Posted June 18 Posted June 18 33 minutes ago, QueenB said: I don't get this narrative, Kesha was literally spreading to 3rd parties that Katy was r*ped by Dr Luke, and in the same messages made fun of her personality. I hate dr luke as the next person but what Kesha did to Katy was low down and dirty None of this is true . 3
SmittenCake Posted June 18 Posted June 18 34 minutes ago, manuelalex9810 said: No one cares about the case or who's Dr. Luke outside of ATRL and some parts of Twitter Yall keep saying this. Lets see how this effects Kathryn's new single since "nobody cares" 3 1
CottageHore Posted June 18 Posted June 18 1 hour ago, cloudbusting said: Not denying that Kim gets transphobic hate, but her criticism specifically related to Luke stems from that partnership starting AFTER Kesha's lawsuit. Doja doesn't get less heat because she's cis - she's openly expressed frustration about working with Luke for years + she signed to him before the news broke. Even without knowing her specific contract details, they're obviously different situations. I don't expect y'all to be able to own up to it or even get curious about the potential internalized transphobia that makes y'all biased toward Kim. Latto, Doja, so many other pop girls with way more success than Kim have willingly sought out Luke to work with him in recent years. Not a single person gets the lashings Kim does and Kim came up out of nowhere as a trans artist, likely making it very hard for anyone to be willing to work with her. She took what she could get and y'all hate her for it
discosean Posted June 18 Posted June 18 Katy has always been a narcissistic untalented snake who will do whatever for money. She was horrible to Taylor and she was right. The nuns were right. I don't like Catholics or Christians but these nuns were right. Katy is over. I hope she gets divorced and CPS takes her kids away. 1
JO1s Posted June 18 Posted June 18 Katy was one of the biggest music artists at one point. She could work with anyone. Doja signed a contract before any of the Kesha stuff came to light and Kim was/is a smaller artist. Katy has the choice to work with anyone. Doja ditched him as soon as her contract expired. They are not the same. Stop trying to make your talentless republican fav into a victim.
peacok Posted June 18 Posted June 18 1 hour ago, visions said: Spreading to 3rd parties? As far as I know Kesha and Gaga were both told by a music exec about that Katy rumour, and they talked about it in private which was made public because Dr Luke forced those private texts into evidence. And I'm not sure making fun of a personality is on the same level of what we're discussing here either. To prove that woman can easily spread lies 4
Achilles. Posted June 18 Posted June 18 Yall "allow" Kim and Doja to work with Dr Rape because you're willing to set aside moral standards to yas queen for some basic bops and pop radio success and "iconic" visuals or whatever. The fact that they work with him is half the reason why I've never given them the time of day. Yall could do it too, if any of you cared to. You just don't.
cloudbusting Posted June 18 Posted June 18 1 minute ago, CottageHore said: I don't expect y'all to be able to own up to it or even get curious about the potential internalized transphobia that makes y'all biased toward Kim. Latto, Doja, so many other pop girls with way more success than Kim have willingly sought out Luke to work with him in recent years. Not a single person gets the lashings Kim does and Kim came up out of nowhere as a trans artist, likely making it very hard for anyone to be willing to work with her. She took what she could get and y'all hate her for it Again, different situations AND those girls absolutely get lashings for it when they work with him. Everyone who's sought him out after 2014 deserves every ounce of criticism for it - Latto, Nicki, JLo, Saweetie, etc. If they don't catch as much flack as Kim, maybe it has more to do with how he's not all over their work the way he is on hers - even Doja branches out to other producers more often. They all deserve to be dragged for it, but she gets a proportional amount to how involved he is in her music. Conflating the transphobia Kim faces with the legitimate critique she gets for enabling a rapist does her a great disservice. There are other trans artists out there doing their thing without relying on a predator, so that excuse doesn't fly either. 1
loveisdead9582 Posted June 18 Posted June 18 Doha got a bit of hate when the Dr. Puke material came out but she signed before she knew anything about Kesha's situation. Kim has no excuse and gets called out on it in pretty much every thread (rightfully so)
shimind Posted June 18 Posted June 18 im just mad she announced so early. like why make us wait for 1 month.. she should drop the single now and release video 1 month later. Let the song grow.
Gladiator Posted June 18 Posted June 18 What do you mean allowed? Kim and Doja get so much criticism for working with him.
bielneira Posted June 18 Posted June 18 Who doesn't drag Kim Petras? And Dr. Luke is the least of Doja's problems
alexrex Posted June 18 Posted June 18 Because that shows her true colors and how her morals are pretty weak. "Woman's World", but there you are working with a rapist. Same as Kim Petras. Doja was kind of forced to work with him.
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