dojabreaux Posted June 18 Posted June 18 16 hours ago, TomTom said: There is an alarming amount of uninformed and tone-deaf takes already in this thread from a certain fanbase, so let's clean some things up. 1. "Katy has nothing to do with what happened between Kesha and Dr. Luke" There is probably no person in the entire music industry that has more to do with it. Katy has known both Kesha and Dr. Luke for an almost equally long time. Kesha and Katy have known each other since before Kesha even debuted. There are pictures of them partying together in 2007, Kesha appeared in the IKAG video, Kesha has an unreleased song called "True Love" for which Katy has credits. Katy said: "I love my friend Kesha" in her 2017 Witness livestream. Katy testified in her deposition that she saw Kesha over a dozen times in her life. Her being a literal witness (pun intended) in the case merely comes on top of all this. 2. "Kesha selectively attacks Katy and not other artists" It should be self-explanatory that Katy Perry deciding to go back to Dr. Luke in 2024 is an entirely different scenario than the likes of Kim Petras, Latto, Lourdiz and god knows who else is currently working with him. Besides the obvious personal connection between Kesha and Katy, Katy was not just one of, but Dr. Luke's most successful (pop!) artist ever who used to work with him long before the lawsuit even began. 3. "Katy has shown solidarity with Kesha" At no point in time has Katy ever shown any kind of solidarity with Kesha whatsoever. Katy testified in her deposition that she decided not to work with Dr. Luke on Witness out of fear for her reputation and not out of solidarity with Kesha. Dr. Luke testified that Katy told him he'd have to "sit this one out". "This one" being Witness. In sum, everything points to Katy never actually wanting to stop working with Dr. Luke and especially not permanently. Her behavior stands in massive contrast to Lady Gaga, Taylor Swift, Demi Lovato, Miley Cyrus, Kelly Clarkson, P!nk, Adele and others who all have more or less directly supported Kesha in public or revealed their personal issues with Dr. Luke. Katy's deposition is filled with tone-deaf remarks like "Dr. Luke deserves to have a big ego, he has over 20 #1 songs" that are totally out of place in the context of a person you allegedly disapprove of. The fact that Katy gave interviews talking about her "healthy relationship" with Dr. Luke throughout the lawsuit for no apparent reason further undermines the "solidarity" narrative. 4. "Kesha settled the lawsuit, she has no business now shading Katy" This is perhaps the most twisted and insensitive talking point. First, it is wild to use a settlement against a defendant - who by default does not wish to be involved in a lawsuit, let alone go to trial. On a basic level, it is nonsensical to suggest Kesha deciding to settle a case she never wanted to defend herself against to begin with (let alone for nine years) instead of entering a massive trial against one of the most powerful people in Hollywood must prevent her from continuing to have an opinion on topics that are related to her and the lawsuit. Second, this notion completely ignores the fact that this lawsuit ended because Dr. Luke was smart enough to settle his own case after it became clear he would not win a jury trial. You can not spin a plaintiff realizing it's time to end a frivolous case into a defendant's loss. Third, it is quite extraordinary to suggest that a legal conclusion of the lawsuit somehow precludes any kind of moral decency standards for a person that has known both Kesha and Dr. Luke for over 15 years. A legal outcome does not dictate the rules for decent behavior. 5. "Kesha lied about Katy" This talking point should have been retired long ago, but apparently it's still necessary to point out that Kesha neither "invented" nor "spread" false rumors about Katy. Both Kesha and Lady Gaga testified that Interscope CEO John Janick told them that Dr. Luke raped Katy Perry (which @georgechxng could have known if they decided to actually familiarize themselves with the topic they are commenting about) which Kesha then referenced in a private text message to Lady Gaga. Said rumors not being true does not convert them into a lie absent proof of malice for which Dr. Luke has shown none and he possibly couldn't have done so in light of Lady Gaga's corroboration. Likewise, the word "spread" implies a new audience which does not exist in the case of a private 1:1 text message to one person who was already familiar with the story at hand. Dr. Luke himself created the new audience when he decided to include this issue in his amended complaint. You can say that Kesha shared a false statement she believed to be true, but she absolutely did not lie or invent fake stories and there is also no legal basis for such claims. 6. "Kesha recanted her statements" This remark is completely baseless, as Kesha has always maintained from the very beginning of the lawsuit and throughout her deposition that she was unconscious while Dr. Luke raped her because he had given her a "sober pill" in advance (the latter of which is referenced in documents as early as 2006). This is what she would have testified at the jury trial if it had taken place. Therefore, Kesha did not "recant" anything when she said she can not remember everything (not anything) about the night at issue in her final settlement statement. Thank you so much for this 🙏🏾 4
Sugar-Rush Posted June 18 Posted June 18 Quote Katy testified in her deposition that she decided not to work with Dr. Luke on Witness out of fear for her reputation and not out of solidarity with Kesha That says it all, really. 10
ChooseyLover Posted June 18 Posted June 18 18 hours ago, Tinashebanks said: What's the difference between katy's genius credits & this… both fake & unsubstantiated btw It's truly ridiculous how anyone would believe Kesha worked with The-Dream. The-Dream is literally an R&B/Hip-Hop producer, sadly I'm very familiar with his music and I liked his work; and Kesha would never do something with him. 2
LastGreatBloodline Posted June 18 Posted June 18 Katy Perry stans have been saying disgusting things on twitter The fact she's working with him again is horrible and brings a very ugly light into her performative activism, but is anyone surprised? 14 1
katymysassqueen Posted June 18 Posted June 18 9 minutes ago, Raphy23 said: I thought they were friends They were back in 2007 before either of them hit it big. They never hung out since than.
Mr_campbell Posted June 18 Posted June 18 7 hours ago, ifeelitboy said: Lots of artists (including your favs) & labels are still working with Dr. Luke. Most importantly, Kesha should stop singing her songs produced by Dr. Luke if all the things she said are completely true. She still sings his songs. Kesha wrote those songs, and performs remixes instead. 8
ainadalkaz Posted June 18 Posted June 18 the amount of truly vile and unhinged tweets i've seen from katycats makes me ashamed to be a part of that fandom 5
Rep2000 Posted June 19 Posted June 19 23 hours ago, TomTom said: There is an alarming amount of uninformed and tone-deaf takes already in this thread from a certain fanbase, so let's clean some things up. 1. "Katy has nothing to do with what happened between Kesha and Dr. Luke" There is probably no person in the entire music industry that has more to do with it. Katy has known both Kesha and Dr. Luke for an almost equally long time. Kesha and Katy have known each other since before Kesha even debuted. There are pictures of them partying together in 2007, Kesha appeared in the IKAG video, Kesha has an unreleased song called "True Love" for which Katy has credits. Katy said: "I love my friend Kesha" in her 2017 Witness livestream. Katy testified in her deposition that she saw Kesha over a dozen times in her life. Her being a literal witness (pun intended) in the case merely comes on top of all this. 2. "Kesha selectively attacks Katy and not other artists" It should be self-explanatory that Katy Perry deciding to go back to Dr. Luke in 2024 is an entirely different scenario than the likes of Kim Petras, Latto, Lourdiz and god knows who else is currently working with him. Besides the obvious personal connection between Kesha and Katy, Katy was not just one of, but Dr. Luke's most successful (pop!) artist ever who used to work with him long before the lawsuit even began. 3. "Katy has shown solidarity with Kesha" At no point in time has Katy ever shown any kind of solidarity with Kesha whatsoever. Katy testified in her deposition that she decided not to work with Dr. Luke on Witness out of fear for her reputation and not out of solidarity with Kesha. Dr. Luke testified that Katy told him he'd have to "sit this one out". "This one" being Witness. In sum, everything points to Katy never actually wanting to stop working with Dr. Luke and especially not permanently. Her behavior stands in massive contrast to Lady Gaga, Taylor Swift, Demi Lovato, Miley Cyrus, Kelly Clarkson, P!nk, Adele and others who all have more or less directly supported Kesha in public or revealed their personal issues with Dr. Luke. Katy's deposition is filled with tone-deaf remarks like "Dr. Luke deserves to have a big ego, he has over 20 #1 songs" that are totally out of place in the context of a person you allegedly disapprove of. The fact that Katy gave interviews talking about her "healthy relationship" with Dr. Luke throughout the lawsuit for no apparent reason further undermines the "solidarity" narrative. 4. "Kesha settled the lawsuit, she has no business now shading Katy" This is perhaps the most twisted and insensitive talking point. First, it is wild to use a settlement against a defendant - who by default does not wish to be involved in a lawsuit, let alone go to trial. On a basic level, it is nonsensical to suggest Kesha deciding to settle a case she never wanted to defend herself against to begin with (let alone for nine years) instead of entering a massive trial against one of the most powerful people in Hollywood must prevent her from continuing to have an opinion on topics that are related to her and the lawsuit. Second, this notion completely ignores the fact that this lawsuit ended because Dr. Luke was smart enough to settle his own case after it became clear he would not win a jury trial. You can not spin a plaintiff realizing it's time to end a frivolous case into a defendant's loss. Third, it is quite extraordinary to suggest that a legal conclusion of the lawsuit somehow precludes any kind of moral decency standards for a person that has known both Kesha and Dr. Luke for over 15 years. A legal outcome does not dictate the rules for decent behavior. 5. "Kesha lied about Katy" This talking point should have been retired long ago, but apparently it's still necessary to point out that Kesha neither "invented" nor "spread" false rumors about Katy. Both Kesha and Lady Gaga testified that Interscope CEO John Janick told them that Dr. Luke raped Katy Perry (which @georgechxng could have known if they decided to actually familiarize themselves with the topic they are commenting about) which Kesha then referenced in a private text message to Lady Gaga. Said rumors not being true does not convert them into a lie absent proof of malice for which Dr. Luke has shown none and he possibly couldn't have done so in light of Lady Gaga's corroboration. Likewise, the word "spread" implies a new audience which does not exist in the case of a private 1:1 text message to one person who was already familiar with the story at hand. Dr. Luke himself created the new audience when he decided to include this issue in his amended complaint. You can say that Kesha shared a false statement she believed to be true, but she absolutely did not lie or invent fake stories and there is also no legal basis for such claims. 6. "Kesha recanted her statements" This remark is completely baseless, as Kesha has always maintained from the very beginning of the lawsuit and throughout her deposition that she was unconscious while Dr. Luke raped her because he had given her a "sober pill" in advance (the latter of which is referenced in documents as early as 2006). This is what she would have testified at the jury trial if it had taken place. Therefore, Kesha did not "recant" anything when she said she can not remember everything (not anything) about the night at issue in her final settlement statement. Oh wow oh wow oh wow. 2
suburbannature Posted June 19 Posted June 19 People being mad about this? Imagine if you saw your rapist (about whom she made a report in 2005, mind you) collaborating on a song about female empowerment as pop starlets who preach about lifting up women continue to flock to him since the dust has settled. Furthermore, she literally only said, "lol" 8
TomTom Posted June 19 Posted June 19 On 6/18/2024 at 12:38 AM, sunbathinganimal said: does this mean Luke def produced it? I feel like she wouldn't be shady unless she knew for sure On 6/18/2024 at 12:57 AM, Tasty said: I hope this is just rumors. On 6/18/2024 at 1:04 AM, 305 said: Wait how do we know this to be true? On 6/18/2024 at 3:33 AM, UnusualBoy said: Also it's not even confirmed yet that Luke work on it, I mean if you're gonna drag at least wait until the info is confirmed On 6/18/2024 at 8:50 AM, eclipsed said: I mean I don't really expect any better from Katy, but I'm gonna give her the benefit of the doubt and say it's not really confirmed and hope it stays that way. Anyone could have made up that Ava/Luke tea. On 6/18/2024 at 7:22 AM, Giancor said: I hope dr luke is not involved that would be so dumb of her On 6/18/2024 at 10:01 AM, enchanted0 said: Do we even know Dr. Luke actually produce it? I mean Kesha must know about something right? The beat sounds not too bad tbh 2 2
Mb139 Kesha52nd Posted June 19 Posted June 19 Ok but Kesha must continue shading and then surprisingly release the lead single 2
Mb139 Kesha52nd Posted June 19 Posted June 19 NOT HER STANS SAYING SHE'S IN A CONTRACT WITH PUKE. THE LENGTHS 2
youmustbeupgraded Posted June 19 Posted June 19 love when she's shady. Kesha never does drama so I kind of live when she throws some shade 6
ChooseyLover Posted June 19 Posted June 19 Wouldn't it be a fantasy if she released around the same time Katy and Dr. Puke will and her music outperformed them? But I don't think she wants to associate herself with that man in any way at all. 4
TomTom Posted June 19 Posted June 19 Just now, ChooseyLover said: Wouldn't it be a fantasy if she released around the same time Katy and Dr. Puke will and her music outperformed them? But I don't think she wants to associate herself with that man in any way at all. Some Kesha fans have been saying just that . Honestly, that would be kinda iconic, but Kesha is also a girl's girl. I don't think she would drive things this far, but I also wouldn't expect for sure that this was the last time she had something to say on this matter. 3
ChooseyLover Posted June 19 Posted June 19 39 minutes ago, TomTom said: Some Kesha fans have been saying just that . Honestly, that would be kinda iconic, but Kesha is also a girl's girl. I don't think she would drive things this far, but I also wouldn't expect for sure that this was the last time she had something to say on this matter. I was already rooting for her hard but now I'm even more inclined to want her new era to be great and beautiful for her. She really deserves it. The amount of BS she has to put up with to this day and still she always puts out the best vibes and energy to the world. 4
SharGaga Posted June 20 Posted June 20 Drag that two faced hypocrite with your teeth Kesha. Time will be the ultimate truth teller when streaming numbers for that 'female empowerment' song will be coming in. Swish swish bish indeed. I'm ready for Witness 2.0 but worse. Xoxo 3 2 1
Démodé Posted June 22 Posted June 22 We're so ready for this fad to be washed up. No-one needed a KP flop in 2024. 1 1
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