Galah Posted June 20 Posted June 20 2 hours ago, truth-over-factz said: If somebody like a Conan Gray can afford Max Martin AND Ilya, then I wouldn't worry about Katy Perry who arguably has significantly more money behind her than Conan. Didn't realise Conan's latest album was produced by him—will have to listen! But Conan is on Republic, which is one of the better labels in terms of properly investing in their artists. Taylor, Ariana, The Weeknd, Post Malone etc. are all on this label and routinely get set up with the best teams. Capitol are not profitable enough to be able to invest in such things without a guaranteed return on investment. If Conan's album underperformed (as I assume it did since I didn't even know it existed) they'll be able to return a profit from the other big ticket artists I mentioned earlier.
Bends Posted June 20 Posted June 20 3 minutes ago, 606 said: Max Martin charges around $100,000 to work on a track I bet she can afford to spend two-week American Idol allowance to record at least 10 decent songs.
PrismaticFluff Posted June 20 Posted June 20 (edited) what is the verdict on the leak? is it AI or not? Edited June 20 by PrismaticFluff
OrgVisual Posted June 20 Posted June 20 1 hour ago, Bends said: I bet she can afford to spend two-week American Idol allowance to record at least 10 decent songs. Max Martin was confirmed to be on the album, wdym?
365 Posted June 20 Posted June 20 I can't believe she tanked all her goodwill. She had a shot of debuting top 10 a week ago, but this is going to go 87-OUT now. 1 3
Green Posted June 20 Posted June 20 33 minutes ago, 365 said: I can't believe she tanked all her goodwill. She had a shot of debuting top 10 a week ago, but this is going to go 87-OUT now. If she debuts at #87 it will be because the people didn't connect with the song, not because it was produced by Dr. Luke Since 2020: Super Freaky Girl #1 Say So #1 All My Life #2 Kiss me more #3 Big Energy #3 Woman #7 Need to Know #8 1
mdma Posted June 20 Posted June 20 the wishful thinking from fans that the snippet is ai is soooooo strange. the lyrics are extremely witness-esque and if anything, the full leak does the snippet more justice... a week ago our biggest issue was her team wasting hype after her logo rebrand. now, she's getting attacked from all angles after choosing to work with luke not sure what she expected - kim gets whacked constantly due to her association, and katy was even part of the whole kesha/luke court battle. i am surprised her & her team expected anything less... and unfortunately, the song isn't enough for her to have anything close to a 'say so' moment. and we thought witness would be her worst era
spiritboy Posted June 20 Posted June 20 I am pretty sure her team expected some kind of backlash when they've announced that she worked with Luke. The important thing is, will the music be good, ıf it's good then GP won't care and consume her music.
Daglazzo Posted June 20 Posted June 20 3 hours ago, chriswouldman said: I think their plan is to build some hype around it. And honestly it looks like it's working. People start talking about her which wasn't the case since WITNESS or even PRISM.
mdma Posted June 20 Posted June 20 2 minutes ago, spiritboy said: will the music be good, ıf it's good then GP won't care and consume her music. i am worried if this is the lead… but who knows maybe second single will smash maybe shes even gone back to the studio
Nico Robin Posted June 20 Posted June 20 honestly after listening to the whole l*ak this pops OFF The post chorus is meh but the production sounds great, bridge is amazing and as someone whose native language isnt english we dont care about lyrics anyway 4 1
MALAMENTE Posted June 20 Posted June 20 4 hours ago, Aurora said: Sessions with Max Martin don't come cheap, even for someone like Katy Perry. Keep in mind in 2018 she was very much still dealing with the fallout from Witness and in 2019 she was just shopping for writing camp demos that she could tweak and release as droplet singles to get her name back out there (hence how songs like "Never Really Over", "Small Talk", and "Harleys In Hawaii" came to be). Smile was a very different process for her because she didn't go in with an album-first mindset and it really was just a playlist of songs she'd accumulated between 2018-2020. Coupled with the pandemic and her pregnancy and Katy's inability to tour, I gather the label didn't see any point in investing in Max Martin collaborations when they could get much cheaper material from less blockbuster writers and producers. This time around, it's clear that no expense has been spared in order to ensure Katy's comeback is a success—or at least that's the plan. Getting Max back for the first time since Witness, getting Luke back for the first time since PRISM, sure Katy can have a vision and want this to happen, but ultimately someone has to pay the bill. I do wonder if Katy is investing some of her own money into this era, and thus reuniting with these pop heavy-hitters has only been made possible by the selling of her catalog to Litmus. She gained $225M out of that deal after all, I can't imagine Max and Luke's fees would make too much of a dent in that. American Idol money is also a BIG amount so it's not the money.
edutada Posted June 20 Posted June 20 30 minutes ago, Green said: If she debuts at #87 it will be because the people didn't connect with the song, not because it was produced by Dr. Luke Since 2020: Super Freaky Girl #1 Say So #1 All My Life #2 Kiss me more #3 Big Energy #3 Woman #7 Need to Know #8 Let's pretend that Luke have something to do with Woman
Konril Posted June 20 Posted June 20 There are some AI leaks that are bops after the actual snippet was stitched. Hopefully she will trend that way when it is officially released.
STMG23 Posted June 20 Posted June 20 49 minutes ago, Green said: If she debuts at #87 it will be because the people didn't connect with the song, not because it was produced by Dr. Luke Since 2020: Super Freaky Girl #1 Say So #1 All My Life #2 Kiss me more #3 Big Energy #3 Woman #7 Need to Know #8 I personally don't mind her working with Dr. Luke but I found the snippet atrocious and rn I have absolutely no desire to listen to the song. Had she just dropped the song I maybe still would have hated it but I would have bought it at least. It's really a combination: Dr. Luke + disappointing snippet + leaks (AI or not) -> negative hype
Katy V.! Posted June 20 Posted June 20 51 minutes ago, spiritboy said: I am pretty sure her team expected some kind of backlash when they've announced that she worked with Luke. The important thing is, will the music be good, ıf it's good then GP won't care and consume her music. Yeah maybe they're trying to get it out of the way as soon as they can instead of dragging it out with ghostwriting allegations. Let's say some of the choices have been weird.
Recluse Posted June 20 Posted June 20 ATRLers will be shocked when they discover that general Joe listening on Capital FM has no idea who Dr Luke is...
Green Posted June 20 Posted June 20 Is it possible for her to not do any interviews this era? Interviews are overrated in 2024 and they would only do more harm than good for her.
georgechxng Posted June 20 Posted June 20 (edited) 8 hours ago, aotwbys said: I really don't understand this idea that she could have worked with just Max Martin for this album. The guy hasn't worked that much with pop girls in the last seven years. Eternal Sunshine is sort of an exception to the rule. y'all need to stop trying to justify her working with dr luke by spinning it like it's a good decision or something smart. there's no gain in working with him. the backlash wasn't worth it. the press being against her and panning this new project wasn't worth it. max has 20 years of pop music work upon his shoulders, he was enough and that's a fact. and even if she was in need of more collaborators, it didn't need to be luke. same thing with you guys trying to act like this won't hurt her numbers and how people react to it, it definitely will. just drop the expectations for success and good reception and get ready for another smile-numbers era. "the people playing it on radio won't know about dr luke" and? it's not like she has had a radio hit in years so they won't be her saving grace.what we have access to is the internet and the internet is ready to boycott her right now. we're on a era where tik tok, twitter and social media dictates the music that gets to blow up and if the discussions surrounding this comeback is how she's corny and dated and is working with someone accused of sexual assaulting a fellow pop star, she won't receive the online push that she needed to in order for this to be a true comeback for her. it's a shame because the energy and opportunity was there, they just managed to throw it away. Edited June 20 by georgechxng 1 1
edutada Posted June 20 Posted June 20 9 minutes ago, georgechxng said: y'all need to stop trying to justify her working with dr luke by spinning it like it's a good decision or something smart. seriously stop. there's no gain in working with him. the backlash wasn't worth it. the press being against her and panning this new project wasn't worth it. max has 20 years of pop music work upon his shoulders, he was enough and that's a fact. Daily streams of her last songs with Max Chained To The Rhythm 118,293 Bon Appétit 79,724 Hey Hey Hey 8,543 i know it's a **** that she still working with luke but maybe you're speaking too early to say "there's no gain" 6
aotwbys Posted June 20 Posted June 20 16 minutes ago, georgechxng said: y'all need to stop trying to justify her working with dr luke by spinning it like it's a good decision or something smart. there's no gain in working with him. the backlash wasn't worth it. the press being against her and panning this new project wasn't worth it. max has 20 years of pop music work upon his shoulders, he was enough and that's a fact. and even if she was in need of more collaborators, it didn't need to be luke. same thing with you guys trying to act like this won't hurt her numbers and how people react to it, it definitely will. just drop the expectations for success and good reception and get ready for another smile-numbers era. "the people playing it on radio won't know about dr luke" and? it's not like she has had a radio hit in years so they won't be her saving grace.what we have access to is the internet and the internet is ready to boycott her right now. we're on a era where tik tok, twitter and social media dictates the music that gets to blow up and if the discussions surrounding this comeback is how she's corny and dated and is working with someone accused of sexual assaulting a fellow pop star, she won't receive the online push that she needed to in order for this to be a true comeback for her. it's a shame because the energy and opportunity was there, they just managed to throw it away. People were critical of TIHWD, the Witness album (where Max Martin played a significant role), as well as Stupid Love. I think the idea that just Max Martin alone would have been a perfect fit for Katy probably comes from Taylor Swift fans who have grown tired of her collaborations with Jack Antonoff and now idolize Max Martin, as well as Ariana Grande fans who loved Eternal Sunshine. People may be criticizing her for working with Dr. Luke, but I strongly doubt that an album produced with random collaborators like Zedd, Charlie Puth, and others would have pleased them either. It seems she has a distinct vision for the robot concept, so working with unfamiliar collaborators would likely have resulted in something more like 365 rather than a full album of songs like Harleys in Hawaii or Never Really Over. So she definitely picked the right people, backlash and all.
ImsoLOUD Posted June 20 Posted June 20 the streets are saying the snippet is A.I.. and that's what I am going to believe Spoiler
365 Posted June 20 Posted June 20 1 hour ago, Green said: If she debuts at #87 it will be because the people didn't connect with the song, not because it was produced by Dr. Luke Since 2020: Super Freaky Girl #1 Say So #1 All My Life #2 Kiss me more #3 Big Energy #3 Woman #7 Need to Know #8 But Katy is held to a higher standard, people care wayyyy more when she does something bad. It should have impacted the others more, (plus Katy wouldn't be working with him if it did), but working with Puke was always gonna be worse for Katy. People always have their drafts ready to pounce on her the moment they smell blood.
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