Tistotal Posted July 13 Posted July 13 3 minutes ago, Communion said: The point about it debuting with less than Chained is that there's literally no point in working with Luke if she's literally less successful with him now than without him during Witness & Smile. Release Date Song Name Type Unfiltered Filtered (*-Est) Global (*) 7/12/2024 Woman's World lead 2,830,000 2,305,035* #40* 5/15/2020 Daisies single 2,330,000 1,722,552 #39 8/9/2019 Small Talk single 2,270,000 1,986,107 #27 5/31/2019 Never Really Over lead 3,500,000 2,832,132 #10 6/16/2017 Feels collab 2,480,000 1,939,639 #28 2/10/2017 Chained to the Rhythm lead 3,060,000 2,653,684 #10 Girl we already know she is dumb af. The thing is, Luke is also giving her garbage, the music is not even on Kim's levels. I hope that excel is true cause that's like 800k more than what I was estimating
Ramcoro Posted July 13 Posted July 13 4 minutes ago, Communion said: The point about it debuting with less than Chained is that there's literally no point in working with Luke if she's literally less successful with him now than without him during Witness & Smile. Release Date Song Name Type Unfiltered Filtered (*-Est) Global (*) 7/12/2024 Woman's World lead 2,830,000 2,305,035* #40* 5/15/2020 Daisies single 2,330,000 1,722,552 #39 8/9/2019 Small Talk single 2,270,000 1,986,107 #27 5/31/2019 Never Really Over lead 3,500,000 2,832,132 #10 6/16/2017 Feels collab 2,480,000 1,939,639 #28 2/10/2017 Chained to the Rhythm lead 3,060,000 2,653,684 #10 Oh stop. She had Prism hype. No one was expecting a top 4 debut lime Chained. It's a totally different landscape and she's in a totally different spot in her career. Atrl is acting like Katy Perry is the first artist to peak and decline. It happens to everyone. Very very few artist can be like Taylor Swift or Beyonce 6
dreampop Posted July 13 Posted July 13 can 143 sell over 1M copies first week? My prediction is 1.3M pure sales 1
Communion Posted July 13 Posted July 13 3 minutes ago, Ramcoro said: Oh stop. She had Prism hype. No one was expecting a top 4 debut lime Chained. It's a totally different landscape and she's in a totally different spot in her career. Atrl is acting like Katy Perry is the first artist to peak and decline. It happens to everyone. Very very few artist can be like Taylor Swift or Beyonce The point is that she could have accepted the bold and gone instead with the acoustic album she always wanted to make. Worked with someone like Dan *****. Waking Up In Vegas is just as fondly looked back on as IKAG and HNC and yet it's literally the only single for her that Greg Wells has produced, even when his work on the tail-end of Prism is often considered the underrated part of the album. She could have easily gone back to her actual roots and done a pop-rock album and avoided all of this. The only reason L*ke is even in the picture is because she or those on her team or label can't accept that artists move beyond their peak instead of chasing old glories. 1 2
katysuxx Posted July 13 Posted July 13 This ain't it. Even the chorus couldn't save the song lmao. Wish her the best. 2
Ramcoro Posted July 13 Posted July 13 11 minutes ago, Communion said: The point is that she could have accepted the bold and gone instead with the acoustic album she always wanted to make. Worked with someone like Dan *****. Waking Up In Vegas is just as fondly looked back on as IKAG and HNC and yet it's literally the only single for her that Greg Wells has produced, even when his work on the tail-end of Prism is often considered the underrated part of the album. She could have easily gone back to her actual roots and done a pop-rock album and avoided all of this. The only reason L*ke is even in the picture is because she or those on her team or label can't accept that artists move beyond their peak instead of chasing old glories. Youre making assumptions. A lot of assumptions. They worked very well together for years. Yea, if she wanted to make an acoustic record, she wouldn't need him. But if she wanted to make a dance album, she wouldn't need him either. She proved that already. He's her old mentor. Its natural to want to reconnect.
Communion Posted July 13 Posted July 13 1 minute ago, Ramcoro said: He's her old mentor. Its natural to want to reconnect. You're literally refusing to recognize the moral *and* commercial flaws in this position and then act confused why people are criticizing her for having this view.
Mezter Posted July 13 Posted July 13 I just don't get what she was thinking with this I'll be very surprised if this ends up a success for her
Ramcoro Posted July 13 Posted July 13 5 minutes ago, Communion said: You're literally refusing to recognize the moral *and* commercial flaws in this position and then act confused why people are criticizing her for having this view. I'm not confused. I'm just say morality is subjective. And there is no proof of "the commercial flaws." She flopped before. If she had a different producer, it would probably do the same. Maybe a little better or maybe a little worse. But you're being disingenuous if you're saying you *know* it would do better. Especially, since it's day ONE AND HALF. Katy is know for her longevity. Give some time damn it.
applestar Posted July 13 Posted July 13 45 minutes ago, Communion said: The point about it debuting with less than Chained is that there's literally no point in working with Luke if she's literally less successful with him now than without him during Witness & Smile. Release Date Song Name Type Unfiltered Filtered (*-Est) Global (*) 7/12/2024 Woman's World lead 2,830,000 2,305,035* #40* 5/15/2020 Daisies single 2,330,000 1,722,552 #39 8/9/2019 Small Talk single 2,270,000 1,986,107 #27 5/31/2019 Never Really Over lead 3,500,000 2,832,132 #10 6/16/2017 Feels collab 2,480,000 1,939,639 #28 2/10/2017 Chained to the Rhythm lead 3,060,000 2,653,684 #10 She's less successful because NRO was so bad people STOPPED tuning in. I remember listening to NRO and shutting that s*** off immediately; she should have promoted HIH and Tucked 1 2
ATRL Moderator MissedTheTrain Posted July 13 ATRL Moderator Posted July 13 1 hour ago, ThomasTea said: Okay and behind Katy's back, Kesha was telling people she was raped… Again....someone told that to her and Gaga, and her and Gaga were discussing that piece of info privately as it pertained to her case of taking him down. I can't believe that some of you guys can't see the difference at this point. ETA: People giving thumbs down to this.....not exactly a good look. Why aren't you mad at the absusive, narcissistic rapist whose team had those texts unsealed and released to the public which dragged Katy into this, instead of being mad at a victim? Or even the person who told this piece of false info to Kesha/Gaga? 1 11 8
perfect blue Posted July 13 Posted July 13 4 minutes ago, MissedTheTrain said: Again....someone told that to her and Gaga, and her and Gaga were discussing that piece of info privately as it pertained to her case of taking him down. I can't believe that some of you guys can't see the difference at this point. Kesha was gossiping about Katy's alleged assault with someone that Katy had beef with at some point and considered a longtime competitor. Time to accept this fact. 14 4
Communion Posted July 13 Posted July 13 2 minutes ago, perfect blue said: Kesha was gossiping about Katy's alleged assault Surely you realize the backfire in inadvertently showing people that Kesha believed Katy yet Katy didn't believe Kesha. 2 1 3
ATRL Moderator MissedTheTrain Posted July 13 ATRL Moderator Posted July 13 Just now, perfect blue said: Kesha was gossiping about Katy's alleged assault with someone that Katy had beef with at some point and considered a longtime competitor. Time to accept this fact. She wasn't "gossiping". She was discussing something she was told, with someone who was also told, as it pertained to her case. She wasn't spreading it. She was in the middle of fighting for her life and was told another (bigger) star was a victim of the same man. Someone else coming forward would have been a game changer. She was privately confiding in a friend about it. Sigh. Some of you are just never going to get it. 6 5
Mariah4life Posted July 13 Posted July 13 47 minutes ago, dreampop said: can 143 sell over 1M copies first week? My prediction is 1.3M pure sales Let's go for Adele's record 1
georgechxng Posted July 13 Posted July 13 1 hour ago, DoubleRainbow! said: this was dead on arrival, and the album for sure will get panned as well let's just hope for a world tour and that's it i don't think she has the demand for a tour rn ngl, it's gonna struggle to sell out 2
georgechxng Posted July 13 Posted July 13 maybe with all this backlash they will pay luke some money to not be credited on the rest of the album like that's the only hope atp. if they don't try to do any damage control that's insane. 1
Motivation93 Posted July 13 Posted July 13 So wait - is this flopping ? I feel like the Spotify numbers aren't even that bad ? 1
mathekr Posted July 13 Posted July 13 24 minutes ago, applestar said: She's less successful because NRO was so bad people STOPPED tuning in. I remember listening to NRO and shutting that s*** off immediately; she should have promoted HIH and Tucked Now let's not rewrite history, Never Really Over is regarded by both fans and the critic one of her best songs, and actually did a lot of good for her image after the Witness era. 12 1
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Apolonio ₃₄ Posted July 13 Posted July 13 43 minutes ago, MissedTheTrain said: Again....someone told that to her and Gaga, and her and Gaga were discussing that piece of info privately as it pertained to her case of taking him down. I can't believe that some of you guys can't see the difference at this point. ETA: People giving thumbs down to this.....not exactly a good look. Why aren't you mad at the absusive, narcissistic rapist whose team had those texts unsealed and released to the public which dragged Katy into this, instead of being mad at a victim? Or even the person who told this piece of false info to Kesha/Gaga? 2 1
WonkieEye Posted July 13 Posted July 13 Couldn't listen to the song during my shift with the nature of my job but reading this made me think it was worse than I remembered, but then I listened and YUP still a pop banger 4 1
gloamingtheplain Posted July 13 Posted July 13 2 hours ago, Ramcoro said: She can like Kesha and work with someone who guided her into the industry. Both things can be true. Even if it's impossible to express them at the same time... Katy said it herself early on when she called Kesha her friend "its hard when you know both players." It's easy to criticize from the sidelines and act like you would perform perfectly. But at the end of the day, she's going to be scrutinised for it for coming across fake. That's the risk, and why it's affecting her more than anyone else.
XDNA Posted July 13 Posted July 13 as a neutral person on her i'll just say she needs a better song. IDK if she still has it in her to make another TD, ET, CG etc but that's what she needs.
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