manuelalex9810 Posted June 22 Posted June 22 8 minutes ago, Communion said: You were quoted for your post veering into rape apologia - not because of someone having an imagined dislike of Katy (I've regularly defended Witness) - and this 2nd post again seemingly tries to flatten reality and excuse away the allegations of rape and assault. You can't imagine there'd be a difference in why someone might not like the song versus why someone might be uncomfortable with her selecting a producer accused of sexual assault, harassment, workplace bullying, etc.? By all means, anyone who is able to and has already reconciled with this complicated reality, I don't hold it against them. I get it's nuanced in the scenario of loving an artist and them making a choice that reasonably angers and hurts people and not knowing how to navigate all of it outside of that their music makes you happy. But it's one thing to care about Katy and love her music versus actively antagonizing people who would reasonably find everything happening both upsetting and triggering. This isn't her base thread. This is the thread for the single. Of course some people are going to follow updates on the song despite said updates being upsetting - specifically *because* they are upsetting. Specifically because this is the first major pop release in a decade for a man accused of rape and harming women and the implications of how it'll perform and be received being important to those who find the embrace of a rapist upsetting. By all means, if you have to - if you're unable to actually reconcile with reality - tune it out and put people upset on ignore. You don't have to engage if you can't or if it's simply not important to you. But that's not an excuse to go the completely opposite direction and lash out or gaslight people and pretend like as though it's not noteworthy or imaginably upsetting to know a man accused of rape is producing a major female pop single. To try and attack people triggered by violence against women being rewarded. Not the long paragraphs 2
perfect blue Posted June 22 Posted June 22 8 minutes ago, Communion said: You were quoted for your post veering into rape apologia - not because of someone having an imagined dislike of Katy (I've regularly defended Witness) - and this 2nd post again seemingly tries to flatten reality and excuse away the allegations of rape and assault. You can't imagine there'd be a difference in why someone might not like the song versus why someone might be uncomfortable with her selecting a producer accused of sexual assault, harassment, workplace bullying, etc.? By all means, anyone who is able to and has already reconciled with this complicated reality, I don't hold it against them. I get it's nuanced in the scenario of loving an artist and them making a choice that reasonably angers and hurts people and not knowing how to navigate all of it outside of that their music makes you happy. But it's one thing to care about Katy and love her music versus actively antagonizing people who would reasonably find everything happening both upsetting and triggering. This isn't her base thread. This is the thread for the single. Of course some people are going to follow updates on the song despite said updates being upsetting - specifically *because* they are upsetting. Specifically because this is the first major pop release in a decade for a man accused of rape and harming women and the implications of how it'll perform and be received being important to those who find the embrace of a rapist upsetting. By all means, if you have to - if you're unable to actually reconcile with reality - tune it out and put people upset on ignore. You don't have to engage if you can't or if it's simply not important to you. But that's not an excuse to go the completely opposite direction and lash out or gaslight people and pretend like as though it's not noteworthy or imaginably upsetting to know a man accused of rape is producing a major female pop single. To try and attack people triggered by violence against women being rewarded. Not a 5 paragraph MLA-formatted essay. 6
Communion Posted June 22 Posted June 22 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Watson! said: non convicted= not guilty. that's how things work. That's quite literally not how it works - especially when powerful men threaten legal warfare against those they've abused and run up the clock on the statute of limitations for when said allegations of sexual abuse could even be brought in front of a court. And these kinds of posts are exactly the behavior that is the issue (and already are deemed ZTP-worthy fyi). Filings throughout the failed defamation suit against Kesha revealed that Kesha herself isn't the first woman to accuse Luke of sexual abuse. We're not talking about petty, trollish drama. This is not "Olivia doesn't like Sabrina and Taylor is getting close to Sabrina, is there BEEF?? ". The reality at hand and the implications of all that has unfolded between the 3 over the last 10 years are grave. Even if you somehow believe that Kesha would easily lie about being raped, there is a myriad of violently misogynistic behavior that both can't be pursued legally yet reflects horribly on Luke. Neither Luke nor anyone on his team has ever come out and denied allegations of Luke repeatedly calling Kesha a "fat *****," "fat ******* fridge," etc. in the studio and having studio personnel both hide food in the studio and report to him if they found her eating. Actions Kesha has quite literally said were a major cause for her developing bulimia. His violent behavior is too wide-reaching, well-documented, and historical to try and spin this. Even without allegations of sexual assault, he wouldn't fit in the landscape of 2024 female pop music where female artists are more than their bodies and don't have to endure workplace harassment and bullying. Again, if you can reconcile with reality or if such is too overwhelming for you to engage with, by all means, protect your peace. But not engaging is very different than posts that go out of their way to not only try and falsely exonerate Luke but to gaslight those who find his presence upsetting, to the point of even doing rape apologia. You're continuing the cycle of him being a relevant and omnipotent topic of discussion by needing to feel vindicated for supporting him and defending what he's done. Edited June 22 by Communion 2 2
spree Posted June 22 Posted June 22 2 minutes ago, peacok said: OKHs writing essays now She's winning and they can't stand it. 1
halcyonday Posted June 22 Posted June 22 i'm not even gonna read it and just mute that homewrecker stan so i can spam teenage dream and planet her in anticipation 6
Kayzan Posted June 22 Posted June 22 14 minutes ago, Communion said: You were quoted for your post veering into rape apologia - not because of someone having an imagined dislike of Katy (I've regularly defended Witness) - and this 2nd post again seemingly tries to flatten reality and excuse away the allegations of rape and assault. You can't imagine there'd be a difference in why someone might not like the song versus why someone might be uncomfortable with her selecting a producer accused of sexual assault, harassment, workplace bullying, etc.? By all means, anyone who is able to and has already reconciled with this complicated reality, I don't hold it against them. I get it's nuanced in the scenario of loving an artist and them making a choice that reasonably angers and hurts people and not knowing how to navigate all of it outside of that their music makes you happy. But it's one thing to care about Katy and love her music versus actively antagonizing people who would reasonably find everything happening both upsetting and triggering. This isn't her base thread. This is the thread for the single. Of course some people are going to follow updates on the song despite said updates being upsetting - specifically *because* they are upsetting. Specifically because this is the first major pop release in a decade for a man accused of rape and harming women and the implications of how it'll perform and be received being important to those who find the embrace of a rapist upsetting. By all means, if you have to - if you're unable to actually reconcile with reality - tune it out and put people upset on ignore. You don't have to engage if you can't or if it's simply not important to you. But that's not an excuse to go the completely opposite direction and lash out or gaslight people and pretend like as though it's not noteworthy or imaginably upsetting to know a man accused of rape is producing a major female pop single. To try and attack people triggered by violence against women being rewarded. - Woman's World snippet is so good 1
manuelalex9810 Posted June 22 Posted June 22 We know that Dr. Luke is the producer of KP6, if you don't want to listen to it because it's produced by Dr. Luke don't listen to it, just go on with your life, it's as simple as that. 14
applestar Posted June 22 Posted June 22 16 minutes ago, Communion said: You were quoted for your post veering into rape apologia - not because of someone having an imagined dislike of Katy (I've regularly defended Witness) - and this 2nd post again seemingly tries to flatten reality and excuse away the allegations of rape and assault. You can't imagine there'd be a difference in why someone might not like the song versus why someone might be uncomfortable with her selecting a producer accused of sexual assault, harassment, workplace bullying, etc.? By all means, anyone who is able to and has already reconciled with this complicated reality, I don't hold it against them. I get it's nuanced in the scenario of loving an artist and them making a choice that reasonably angers and hurts people and not knowing how to navigate all of it outside of that their music makes you happy. But it's one thing to care about Katy and love her music versus actively antagonizing people who would reasonably find everything happening both upsetting and triggering. This isn't her base thread. This is the thread for the single. Of course some people are going to follow updates on the song despite said updates being upsetting - specifically *because* they are upsetting. Specifically because this is the first major pop release in a decade for a man accused of rape and harming women and the implications of how it'll perform and be received being important to those who find the embrace of a rapist upsetting. By all means, if you have to - if you're unable to actually reconcile with reality - tune it out and put people upset on ignore. You don't have to engage if you can't or if it's simply not important to you. But that's not an excuse to go the completely opposite direction and lash out or gaslight people and pretend like as though it's not noteworthy or imaginably upsetting to know a man accused of rape is producing a major female pop single. To try and attack people triggered by violence against women being rewarded. First major pop girl release? Like doja didn't win a Grammy with KMM? I would have ran to him after say so
Communion Posted June 22 Posted June 22 9 minutes ago, State of Grace. said: And that's how you clear a rape apologist *****. The replies all being "okay essay!!" from the people who were just writing paragraphs claiming the legal system has exonerated Luke of being a rapist. Girlies clearly don't know what or who they're up against if a few paragraphs is upsetting to them. We can go for a full-on word count if certain users insist on still pushing rape apologia I'm not sure why this is somehow like a form of calculus for them. If you continually post in support of Luke, you cannot then be confused when people rightfully push back. 2
OmegaRidley Posted June 22 Posted June 22 Not the memoirs about a pop song Katy Perry the legend that you are
heartbeats Posted June 22 Posted June 22 i thought the chicken was lovely....how was your chicken? i can't wait for the music video 6
Tyrion_LMG Posted June 22 Posted June 22 Wtf are these dissertations? I bet these "LukEeE iSssS a RapiIisTT" preachers don't feel apologetic at all when listening his past bops. 1 1
Coldpurry Posted June 22 Posted June 22 Just now, OmegaRidley said: Not the memoirs about a pop song Katy Perry the legend that you are Imagine having meltdowns over a Katy Perry song that will probably not even chart in 2024 Things only ATRL provide 7 1
halcyonday Posted June 22 Posted June 22 2 minutes ago, OmegaRidley said: Not the memoirs about a pop song Katy Perry the legend that you are she's their favorite reference baby
spree Posted June 22 Posted June 22 I would imagine this is gonna get a huge radio deal and TTH top placement. 2
alex_katycat Posted June 22 Posted June 22 (edited) wow, does anybody have an allegation against this user? No need to prove it in court, whatever you accuse him/her of it will be automatically TRUE! OT: 19 days til GodTy! Edited June 22 by alex_katycat 1 4
State of Grace. Posted June 22 Posted June 22 2 minutes ago, Communion said: The replies all being "okay essay!!" from the people who were just writing paragraphs claiming the legal system has exonerated Luke of being a rapist. Girlies clearly don't know what or who they're up against if a few paragraphs is upsetting to them. We can go for a full-on word count if certain users insist on still pushing rape apologia I'm not sure why this is somehow like a form of calculus for them. If you continually post in support of Luke, you cannot then be confused when people rightfully push back. skkslksk I'm giggling at the "dissertation!!!" posts from users who can't read anything longer than 4 sentences. They can't justify their rape apologia so that's the only response left for them (or deflecting to Doja, Kim, and other problematic things done by pop girls). If you continue defending a rapist then you'll keep getting your ass handed to you. 2
Communion Posted June 22 Posted June 22 18 minutes ago, KatyPrismSpirit said: Sis, we get you and we all already know your stance. What do you even want from the Katy fans at this point, like seriously? For posts like these to stop happening and for those who want to just enjoy the music to rally for users like the below to be thread-banned for defending Luke on the accusations of rape with more urgency than they call for someone to be thread-banned for being annoying over if the leaked clip was AI or not: 7 hours ago, truth-over-factz said: The Dr. Luke talk is so tired. Like please give it up already. We get it. Some people don't like it. But she worked with him. Get over it. And let's talk about the music. 7 hours ago, KatysPrism said: no one gives a f*** tbh. move on 38 minutes ago, Watson! said: enough with the fake news. he was never convicted of rape. non convicted= not guilty. that's how things work. Again, part of what comes with Katy working with him is being people upset. That upset is reasonable and justified. And if you actually understand why it's upsetting, you'd ignore it and move along if you disagreed. You wouldn't try to fight back or gaslight or go in the complete opposite direction and vehemently defend Dr. Luke as some innocent amazing man. For as long as there are users in here praising Luke and calling Kesha a liar and attacking people who are upset because "no one gives a ****, shut up", there's going to be pushback. The issue is that some of you seem to view people expressing upset as actively antagonizing you as fans and thus defend when other users go out of their way to antagonize those upset about Luke. 2
halcyonday Posted June 22 Posted June 22 Just now, State of Grace. said: skkslksk I'm giggling at the "dissertation!!!" posts from users who can't read anything longer than 4 sentences. They can't justify their rape apologia so that's the only response left for them (or deflecting to Doja, Kim, and other problematic things done by pop girls). If you continue defending a rapist then you'll keep getting your ass handed to you. i mean... most of us have already expressed our disappointement and dragged him and her left and right, what else do you want us to do? we still love katy and will support her music that we waited 4 years for and won't cry about puke on it every hour and every day, it's just that simple and as we all know pop scene is full of vicious pop stars that are not girl's girl 3
Popular Post Nuggets Posted June 22 Popular Post Posted June 22 (edited) Complaining about Dr. Luke at this point is useless. She made her decision and now he's on the album. I'm not particularly fond of him either, but there's nothing we can do about it. This isn't even twitter where you could be calling her out and make some noise. Circling around the same discourse only serves the purpose to annoy the 20-something people that lurk in this thread. Edited June 22 by Nuggets 24
halcyonday Posted June 22 Posted June 22 Just now, Nuggets said: Complaining about Dr. Luke at this point is useless. She made her decision and now he's on the album. I'm not particularly fond of him either, but there's nothing we can do about it. This isn't even twitter where you could be calling her out and make some noise. Circling around the same discourse only serves the purpose to annoy the 25 something people that lurk in this thread. Right? She did it, we know, we dragged her, but we still decide to support her. If you dont feel the same, sorry luv, we can't fix your problem with that. We know it'll flop, we know it'll be panned, and we're still gonna stream. 1 1
Communion Posted June 22 Posted June 22 (edited) 10 minutes ago, alex_katycat said: wow, does anybody have an allegation against this user? No need to prove it in court, whatever you accuse him/her of it will be automatically TRUE! OT: 19 days til GodTy! Like this. You're the problem. You're keeping this going. Katy made this choice. Part of that choice is people rightfully being upset. Instead of having any kind of emotional intelligence and sitting maturely in silence for when people express being upset, your reaction to being made uncomfortable by a choice *your fave* made is to become a reactionary and suggest there exists some phenomenon of fake rape allegations. If you stopped defending Luke when people express they're upset, there'd be less and less people feeling the need to correct the record that your arguments are both factually and morally wrong. The more you're unable to let people express themselves and move on without rebuttal, the more the subject of Luke goes back to being centered over Katy. "But I don't want to see people are upset, it makes me uncomfortable" is in itself a wild statement but you're more than fine to put people on ignore. Saying you're being compelled to defend Luke because people are "making you" by expressing upset in ways you don't like is obscene. Posts praising Katy + the song AND posts expressing disappointment and upset over Luke can be posted alongside one another without knee-jerk reactions to attack people making the latter because you're seemingly insecure about the tonal direction of the thread. Edited June 22 by Communion 2 1 6
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