single Katy Perry - "Woman's World"

[365]

3 minutes ago, perfect blue said:

I feel like she would have faced significantly less scrutiny if the lead was produced by Max instead of Luke. Regardless of how many songs Luke produced on the album. 

100% agree, they did themselves dirty with this roll out. 

[edutada]

I think it was better to release the dr luke news right now, there's a month to people forget about it.

If she released a Max Martin collab as first single people would say that she was hiding Puke.

[aotwbys]

Here's a thought: if a hypothetical song Max Martin had created for KP6 was strong enough to be the lead single, then why didn't they choose it? The logical explanation is that it doesn't exist at all, or it wasn't strong enough. And if the opposite is the case, that there's a MM song on there that is lead material, then why even collaborate with Dr. Luke in the first place?

[Kayzan]

5 minutes ago, aotwbys said:

Here's a thought: if a hypothetical song Max Martin had created for KP6 was strong enough to be the lead single, then why didn't they choose it? The logical explanation is that it doesn't exist at all, or it wasn't strong enough. And if the opposite is the case, that there's a MM song on there that is lead material, then why even collaborate with Dr. Luke in the first place?

Maybe WW is the message she wants to convey to lead the album. She has been teasing the lyrics since last year

And we don't even know if Dr. Luke produced it, as the credits haven't been revealed yet. Everything is rumor

[perfect blue]

7 minutes ago, aotwbys said:

Here's a thought: if a hypothetical song Max Martin had created for KP6 was strong enough to be the lead single, then why didn't they choose it? The logical explanation is that it doesn't exist at all, or it wasn't strong enough. And if the opposite is the case, that there's a MM song on there that is lead material, then why even collaborate with Dr. Luke in the first place?

If Woman's World is the strongest song on the album then KP6 was doomed to fail and is dead on arrival. 

 

Max is expensive and KP6 is a financial gamble since Katy is past her prime; I sure hope her label didn't shell out millions on MM for a bunch of ballads and album tracks.

[Tistotal]

1 hour ago, Green said:

Is it possible for her to not do any interviews this era? 

 

Interviews are overrated in 2024 and they would only do more harm than good for her.

I don't think so. She always speaks stupid things.

I'm already imagining what's the answer to " what made you go back to work with Dr. Luke?" 

[Sannie]

 

41 minutes ago, Musicmajor said:

I uninstalled twitter and stayed off socials for a few days and not ONE mention of this "controversy" in the real world. If the song is good, catchy and is serviced well on spotify, apple and radio, the song will be a hit and eaten up by the general public. People are entitled to their own opinions and feelings about the Kesha and Dr. Luke situation. If you're a fan of Katy and excited about the new music/era, try to not let this twitter stan chaos consume your life and ruin your experience with the new music. 

What you are not mentioning is also this: not one mention of Katy Perry in the real world. The GP is not checking for Katy (like with most popstars) so she needs the online gays and girls to latch onto this and spread the word. Without them, this is DOA. Without them, the first week numbers and charts will be abysmal. Now, the amount of people who will touch this song is dwindling fast because of the shame doing so brings.

 

Go to TikTok and you will see thousands of videos and comments from regular ol' people, not online stans, having nothing but bad things to say and mocking her for this. It is 2024, the stan world is not the only community on the Internet. The general public is clued in too.

 

Once the song drops, nearly every single review or article about it is going to mention Dr. Luke's involvement and then bring up his case with Kesha for context. That is going to further poison the well. They should have just kept his involvement under wraps as much as possible, but they came out and acted like it was their main selling point. Be mad at Katy and her label for this marketing move.

[aotwbys]

Just now, perfect blue said:

If Woman's World is the strongest song on the album then KP6 was doomed to fail and is dead on arrival. 

 

Max is expensive and KP6 is a financial gamble since Katy is past her prime; I sure hope her label didn't shell out millions on MM for a bunch of ballads and album tracks.

In my opinion, Woman's World probably isn't the strongest song on the album. However, I suspect it might be stronger than any Max Martin track on there. If there was a Max Martin song that was great enough to promote ahead of everything else, they would have chosen it to avoid the controversy surrounding Dr. Luke. The fact that they're pushing this song, which was likely produced in collaboration with Luke, suggests to me that there might not be much solo Max Martin material on the album.

[georgechxng]

26 minutes ago, edutada said:

I was thinking yesterday if she released a preview with these lyrics what would people say

 

I know a place
Where the grass is really greener
Warm, wet n' wild
There must be something in the water
Sippin' gin and juice
Laying underneath the palm trees
(Undone)
The boys
Break their necks
Try'na to creep a little sneak peek
(At us)

 

 

 

i know y'all are not trying to compare WW to california gurls.... california gurls was a great summer bop and the lyrics were not cringey. just unserious and carefree. 

[halcyonday]

5 minutes ago, aotwbys said:

In my opinion, Woman's World probably isn't the strongest song on the album. However, I suspect it might be stronger than any Max Martin track on there. If there was a Max Martin song that was great enough to promote ahead of everything else, they would have chosen it to avoid the controversy surrounding Dr. Luke. The fact that they're pushing this song, which was likely produced in collaboration with Luke, suggests to me that there might not be much solo Max Martin material on the album.

imagine believing that Luke can produce a better song than Max's worst scrap  

 

edit: nvm, you stan kim petras

Edited June 20, 2024 by halcyonday

[aotwbys]

Just now, halcyonday said:

imagine believing that Luke can produce a better song than Max's worst scrap  

They're both talented producers, but Dr. Luke seems to have a better understanding of how to work with Katy (Just my opinion)

[halcyonday]

Just now, aotwbys said:

They're both talented producers, but Dr. Luke seems to have a better understanding of how to work with Katy (Just my opinion)

How? He never worked with her without Max. 

[georgechxng]

Just now, halcyonday said:

How? He never worked with her without Max. 

right  that was what i was about to say. all the songs he worked with katy was in collaboration with max. we don't know exactly his % of collaboration on each of those songs. looking at their history as producers, i'd bet that max probably did a lot of the heavy lifting. 

[aotwbys]

Just now, halcyonday said:

How? He never worked with her without Max. 

From my perspective, Katy Perry's songs with Max Martin but without Dr. Luke seem less impactful than the ones with his involvement. It's evident that Dr. Luke brings something valuable to the table.

[every1blinks]

I feel like we should all know by now that just because a song is a lead does not mean it's the strongest song on the album

[MasterExpose]

Even Rise 2.0 would've been better. It was another empowering song but sonically it was a step forward and lyrically miles better than se-xy con-fident 

[spree]

27 minutes ago, Sannie said:

 

What you are not mentioning is also this: not one mention of Katy Perry in the real world. The GP is not checking for Katy (like with most popstars) so she needs the online gays and girls to latch onto this and spread the word. Without them, this is DOA. Without them, the first week numbers and charts will be abysmal. Now, the amount of people who will touch this song is dwindling fast because of the shame doing so brings.

 

Go to TikTok and you will see thousands of videos and comments from regular ol' people, not online stans, having nothing but bad things to say and mocking her for this. It is 2024, the stan world is not the only community on the Internet. The general public is clued in too.

 

Once the song drops, nearly every single review or article about it is going to mention Dr. Luke's involvement and then bring up his case with Kesha for context. That is going to further poison the well. They should have just kept his involvement under wraps as much as possible, but they came out and acted like it was their main selling point. Be mad at Katy and her label for this marketing move.

You are so obsessed with Katy Perry. How many posts now in this thread? 

[georgechxng]

11 minutes ago, every1blinks said:

I feel like we should all know by now that just because a song is a lead does not mean it's the strongest song on the album

well yes but we saw what happened when she released small talk as the follow up for NRO.... no one bothered to check HIH cause they were all so disappointed by the song. 

if this song generates the same effect (and it prob will bc it's worse than small talk and it's already dead at arrival with the entire internet mocking it) then those better songs that are on the album will never get the attention they deserve

 

i'm still laughing about the snippet going viral because it's SO bad. that gotta be a first. idk how her team thought this song could be a good comeback for her when it just brings attention to everything that people criticized about her during her 2017 hate train (her being corny, her being behind the trends of the industry, her being tone deaf with her politics, etc), it makes me mad even talking about this bc it doesn't click for me how no one in whatever meeting they had when deciding this rollout was able to mention that. like how did they stumble this so hard, it doesn't make any sense. 

Edited June 20, 2024 by georgechxng

[halcyonday]

The previous conversation inspired me to open this Katy/Lana/Quavo thread. Feel free to comment. 

 

 

[georgechxng]

her team is so bad that i bet their meeting went like this

katy: "we gotta be careful with how we plan our steps this era since luke is involved and that's about to cause some backlash"

bradford: "what if we release woman's world - produced by him - to show the world that you're still a girls girl at the end of the day"

katy: "that's the best idea ever'

[aotwbys]

That decision to produce Woman's World with Dr. Luke was definitely a poor PR move. I can't defend that choice. Hopefully they'll consider changing the song title if nothing else. However, I still stand by the opinion that the song itself is well-crafted and enjoyable. I still think the song is worth defending on its own merits.

[peacok]

Let's celebrate cuz baby we ain't going a away

 

 

 

[every1blinks]

1 minute ago, georgechxng said:

well yes but we saw what happened when she released small talk as the follow up for NRO.... no one bothered to check HIH cause they were all so disappointed in it. 

if this song generates the same effect (and it prob will bc it's worse than small talk) then those better songs that are on the album will never get the attention they deserve 

I wouldn't say they'll never get a chance to shine. If that was the case, artists would never bounce back from a flop single or flop era. If a song is going to latch on, it's going to latch on regardless of where it falls in the album cycle 

[georgechxng]

we need a double single release to fix this mess. if the 2nd song is good, people won't be so fixated on woman's world. this is like the best PR solution for this and it kills me that her team is so small minded that they will never even consider this idea (and they have 3 weeks, which is enough time to plan that out). i just know every other star would pull that off to keep things under their control. and double releases have been successful in the past. you push the song that people react positively to. that's how the weeknd got blinding lights. 

[perfect blue]

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZPREdnVQt/

 

maybe she's not as out of touch as we thought