Wicked Posted June 15 Posted June 15 (edited) Inspired by this recent discourse about Charli XCX I think yes, but lots of folks in the quotes and replies say no. Edited June 15 by Wicked 1
Devin Posted June 15 Posted June 15 absolutely. ex. elvis had a successful career off black music. 4 2
Popular Post Virgos Groove Posted June 15 Popular Post Posted June 15 Idk, let's ask Grace Jones, The Velvet Underground and Frankie Knuckles. If we're being honest, most of the impact we credit to popstars is just them being inspired by the underground. 20 7
Wicked Posted June 15 Author Posted June 15 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Devin said: absolutely. ex. elvis had a successful career off black music. Of course, but i didn't realize how many people would disagree with that... Popular acts shouldn't be ignored in discussion but the idea you don't actually matter cause you don't move that many numbers is crazy. It's not about how many people are listening to you, its about who's listening. A lot of popular musicians keep their ear to the streets more than their fans do for sure. Edited June 15 by Wicked 7 1
Revolution Posted June 15 Posted June 15 This is so stupid. Musicians make music, not the GP. And musicians listen to underground stuff 5 1
Into The Void Posted June 15 Posted June 15 Yes they can some are even more impactful than huge stars 4
NEX Posted June 15 Posted June 15 The Velvet Underground & Nico underperformed in sales and polarized critics on release, but later became regarded as one of the most influential albums in rock and pop music and one of the greatest albums of all time. It was a major influence on many subgenres of rock music and alternative music, including punk, garage, krautrock, post-punk, noise rock, shoegaze, goth, and indie. The album only sold approximately 30,000 copies in its first five years. 10 2
Kayseri Mantisi Posted June 15 Posted June 15 Absolutely, only ATRL obsesses over chart success and thinks it's the most important thing 2
Everyperfectsummer Posted June 15 Posted June 15 Yes they can despite what chart obsessed gays think 1
alexrex Posted June 15 Posted June 15 (edited) Nope, because nobody knows them Charli was already popular after Fancy and I Love It. Edited June 15 by alexrex
Kh-Loud Posted June 15 Posted June 15 Charli, Sophie, AG's influences in electronic music are so blatant that anyone trying to argue otherwise is just either delusional or ignorant. Those influences have just now been leaking into mainstream too. There will be artists who take from them who will become more popular than them…. 6
Contessa Posted June 15 Posted June 15 12 minutes ago, Kh-Loud said: Charli, Sophie, AG's influences in electronic music are so blatant that anyone trying to argue otherwise is just either delusional or ignorant. Those influences have just now been leaking into mainstream too. There will be artists who take from them who will become more popular than them…. Caca is already an example of this, relatively speaking of course
Riot Posted June 15 Posted June 15 In the mid/late 2000s everyone was literally trying to serve M.I.A.'s swag despite her limited chart success, so yes. 1
Badgalbriel Posted June 15 Posted June 15 Yes they can. The artists themselves might not be culturally relevant now, like Charli, but other musicians inspired by her in a few years will eventually be more relevant than Charli ever was. And they will have to thank Charli for that.
StayFrosty Posted June 15 Posted June 15 Quote i don't think it means anything. i think "impact" and "influence" are usually just contrivances that people use to avoid talking about sales figures and popularity. This is a shockingly stupid take. Wow. Imagine if you talk about movies this way too. 2 2
Mr. Peanutbutter Posted June 15 Posted June 15 Yep. Lana didn't have a bunch of huge hits and was dragged left and right on her debut but it changed pop music. Years later people backtracked and started praising her, with many artists openly saying she influenced them 4
HealerKirby Posted June 15 Posted June 15 There're definitely different types of "impact" so we need to distinguish them before making any comparison between artists. Like we cannot blame Taylor for focusing on her economic impact, as the new pop girls who once said they were influenced by her music are now acting like that never happened
Daddy Posted June 15 Posted June 15 Of course. Sevdaliza for example. She's clearly on everybodys moodboard and has influence on music and fashion spreads and music videos etc. But nobody besides the girlies know who Sevdaliza is. Same with Charli, twigs etc. (years ago, I would call them popular in 2024) 2
Daddy Posted June 15 Posted June 15 1 hour ago, alexrex said: Nope, because nobody knows them Charli was already popular after Fancy and I Love It. Artists and music nerds know them tho, and they create the art. Not you and your ignorance 2
Bookmark99 Posted June 15 Posted June 15 Yes, look at Velvet Underground, Grace Jones, etc. Most mainstream artists pull from lesser known or underground acts, that's how its always been. 1
RussianRoulette Posted June 15 Posted June 15 Yes. They relase a project, a popular artist is inspired, then another one, then maybe some fashion trend starts based off a certain outfit or accessory and so on. The sad thing is that it takes almost years for the original creator to get credit. 1
halcyonday Posted June 15 Posted June 15 charli debuting at #2 in the UK and having 16m monthly spofify listeners is far from "underground" music she's in the sweet place where's she's no hit but also no flop
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