Bey'Knight Posted June 14 Posted June 14 I'm not sure what's more concerning; her descent into despicable territory or the rationales coming from her stans. It may sound melodramatic but it really harkens back to the doctrines seeded in the makings of a dictatorship. Sure, it's just a silly chart battle. What happens when Taylor thirsts for more? Business as usual? 1 1 1
PMM Posted June 14 Posted June 14 15 hours ago, PoisonedIvy said: Anyway, I will say it's a bit odd that she's piledriving so hard this era. She seems to be throwing away some of the respect she garnered from folklore+evermore+Red TV in exchange for maximizing commercial success? It's going to negatively affect her image with other artists, songwriters, and producers when it comes time for the Grammys. Has she formally decided chart success > awards at this point? It's interesting to think about. she's doing everything to have reputa TS ver. She hopes everyone will hate her so she can be a victim 1
dirrtydiana Posted June 14 Posted June 14 she wants poets to stay #1 all year to guarantee aoty because thats how the scammys work but yall aint ready for that conversation 3
dirrtydiana Posted June 14 Posted June 14 3 hours ago, Stimulus said: Charli deserves this #1 with her best work yet. I hope she can overcome this obstacle. so did billie 2
yassskween Posted June 14 Posted June 14 (edited) 56 minutes ago, MatiRod said: Ok so let me first say that I stan and have been a huge fan since "You Belong with Me" in middle school but I think this is getting to the point where it's leaking out of the stan bubble and starting to harm her image and how people in the industry view her. And I don't mean this in a shady way, the dramatics in here are too much, no one is dying it's just an album being sold, Charli will be more than fine with her own millions and acclaim and no one cares about charts other than the industry and stans, but I don't see the benefit to Taylor at this point. Everyone knows she's the biggest star in the world already and the most successful person in music arguably ever, certainly of the 21st century so far. What are these new editions accomplishing? She has always been absurdly savvy when it comes to her business. Yes she did special editions and such in the past but never to this extent and she's got to be aware of the narrative people are creating. Unless it's all intentional as a prelude to Reputation TV, which if so, iconic behaviour tbh the benefit is TS stays a cnnt Edited June 14 by yassskween
willmcclure9 Posted June 14 Posted June 14 The dramatics in this thread over album sales 2013TRL is BACK
Kern Posted June 14 Posted June 14 18 minutes ago, dirrtydiana said: she wants poets to stay #1 all year to guarantee aoty because thats how the scammys work but yall aint ready for that conversation well TTPD doesn't deserve a Grammy 4
C_Colstead Posted June 14 Posted June 14 Whether Taylor gets the #1 is completely irrelevant to me as I stan neither her nor Charli, but I have to admit the constant spamming of new variations on a weekly basis is very odd. Everyone on the planet knows she's chart-driven, and controversially perhaps, I don't think that's a bad thing - but the question is, when is enough enough for her in that department? Because it's beginning to give "I have everything I've ever wanted and more, but I'm still not satisfied." But more fool the cult that actually purchase these variations week in week out, tbh. (Luckily, the vast majority of Swifties I've personally come across are normal, so this doesn't apply to them.)
Popular Post storminthedark Posted June 14 Popular Post Posted June 14 Swifties in this thread saying nobody in the industry cares about Taylor's tactics when we already have a HDD article explicitly saying people in the industry wanted Billie to have her moment over Taylor because of the variant BS, and the former editorial director of the Hollywood Reporter saying on record artists and industry people did not like or appreciate her Grammy announcement for TTPD. Saying she's not building resentment amongst her peers when we're talking about her blocking Charli's album which literally has a song about being insecure about Taylor 13 2 1
Khal Posted June 14 Posted June 14 (edited) At the end of the day, it's kind of corny to see someone be so desperate to stay at n1, especially when she's already had so much success. But also using words like "*****", "despicable", "deranged" over this also kind of makes you sound a bit brain damaged? It's corny chart manipulation, she didn't bomb a country ffs Edited June 14 by Khal 3
Flanders Posted June 14 Posted June 14 (edited) Come thru Charli! I hope all the fans are buying extra Edited June 14 by Flanders
hungrymuffin Posted June 14 Posted June 14 5 minutes ago, Khal said: At the end of the day, it's kind of corny to see someone be so desperate to stay especially when she's already had so much success. But also using words like "*****", "despicable", "deranged" over this also kind of makes you sound a bit brain damaged? It's corny chart manipulation, she didn't bomb a country ffs this ive been a swiftie since speak now and i havent bought any physicals since 1989 (and i only bought 1 cd), i think its a bit too much and unnecessary for her to do this but calling her all sorts of words because of this??? the parasocial relationship goes both ways 2 1
Cain Posted June 14 Posted June 14 12 hours ago, ZacXCX said: Can we stop calling a post that has more than 2 sentences a thinkpiece/meltdown? For fans of a lyricist, y'all have a lot of difficulties with words. I'm very entertained by this entire thread, though. No matter the chart position, 365 is diamond-certified in my apartment. Uhm give them a break, they just entered high school 1
Arrows Posted June 14 Posted June 14 Why is everyone talking about "versions" and "new album editions"? Isn't this literally just signed albums? 1
MardinBeksloy Posted June 14 Posted June 14 40 minutes ago, storminthedark said: Swifties in this thread saying nobody in the industry cares about Taylor's tactics when we already have a HDD article explicitly saying people in the industry wanted Billie to have her moment over Taylor because of the variant BS, and the former editorial director of the Hollywood Reporter saying on record artists and industry people did not like or appreciate her Grammy announcement for TTPD. Saying she's not building resentment amongst her peers when we're talking about her blocking Charli's album which literally has a song about being insecure about Taylor Of course the industry doesn't like THE music industry. She's too big for these old men own good, and too bad she's too powerful so her peers seem smaller in comparison. Billie also dropped her variants and ran her mouths. Charlie used Taylor for clouds. Happy they both will get blocked. 2 6
MardinBeksloy Posted June 14 Posted June 14 4 minutes ago, Arrows said: Why is everyone talking about "versions" and "new album editions"? Isn't this literally just signed albums? Nah their comprehension skill is blurred by their hate for Taylor 1 3
Outlaws Posted June 14 Posted June 14 Her power hungry *** needs to get called out more often. It's getting weirder and weirder. 10 1
toxicgenie Posted June 14 Posted June 14 3 hours ago, taylorrrr said: I love her energy. People say she's a serial dater, but she comes back with a mega-smash blank space to make fun of the press. Now everybody's calling her Deranged sociopath / greedy etc and she's going to take the narrative back again. Y'all never learn as usual It makes me what to stan her more. Like the saying says, "hate the game, not the player." 1 12
Popular Post jonapova Posted June 14 Popular Post Posted June 14 2 minutes ago, toxicgenie said: It makes me what to stan her more. Like the saying says, "hate the game, not the player." The saying is actually 'Don't hate the player, hate the game' In this case we hate both. 26 1
Gaia Posted June 14 Posted June 14 (edited) 9 hours ago, PoisonedIvy said: I think she's flying too close to the sun. I haven't bought these variants (I really never have) but I also never really saw a problem with them, she wasn't doing anything others weren't also doing. But with TTPD era it's been a weekly circus, and it's a bit baffling. She's definitely turning off casual fans, people who already hate her, and eventually, the hardcore fans who are having to shell out money for these things every week. She's also taking a huge blow to her respect amongst her fellow musicians in the industry, which I mentioned is going to drastically affect her chances at Grammys. If money is all she wants then that's not really something I can get behind. I'll keep streaming the music but I definitely am not throwing my money into a greedy, bottomless well! It's wild to me that this isn't the normal view. So many Swifties celebrating their fave acting like a corporation with quarterly revenue goals is crazy to me. Like these exclusive acoustic variants with only ONE acoustic song is absolutely ridiculous. Most Swifties are just obsessed with viewing her as the victim but this really is indefensible. Pulling all these stunts months after release just makes no sense. I think the monstrous success of the eras tour shifted something in her, and now she's more obsessed than ever with being the best and #1 in everything. If more Swifties could actually admit that this behavior isn't cool, maybe she'd stop. But yeah, as long as fans keep buying it does seem like she cares more about sales than respect. Edited June 14 by Gaia 9
Popular Post Guilherme Make Love Posted June 14 Popular Post Posted June 14 (edited) Honestly, she always have been greedy and chart obsessed. The difference is that she used to have some balance between being a capitalist freak and a high quality artist. Her tactics was always linked with real effort to create something artistically and then sell. The problem now is that she fall off artistically completely to favor charts. Yeah she released 31 bloated songs, but 15 was digitally exclusive so it would boost her numbers beyond the already insane physical copies. She keeps dropping voice memos, but now there's a single edition for each one instead of a package. All of this while not actually engaging with her fans, not releasing new singles, new videos, absolutely nothing. The entire era is a bore mess that keeps giving nothing but new chart records that aren't really organic or meaningful to anyone but herself. Is this what being an artist is about? The funniest aspect about all of this is that, like everything that embraces full capitalism, it just comes with fascist behavior. See how her fans are clearly being exploited and alienated to keep buying the same album over and over without receiving nothing fully creative from her in the process but they still thank her for it? The examples goes on, like her weirdly off relationship with other succesful woman lately. At this point Taylor is the face of late capitalism crisis and fascist idol behavior in the music industry. She's forging a demand that simply isn't there after months to keep selling low-quality and half-baked versions to exploited fans that are trained to think they're friends of her so they have to defend her all the time, creating a childish persona in their eyes where she's still the eternal victim of "vile people that can't stand seeing a woman win", so they can justify her greed to be at the top no matter what. The fact that she plans everything and then just watch silently her fans consuming her life as a Marvel project while attacking her exes or any woman that is a competition in any area to "defend her" just seal the deal, she's consumed by this idea of actually being an industry. Edited June 14 by Guilherme Make Love 36
Rep2000 Posted June 14 Posted June 14 Taylor is so powerful she can drop some signed photo cards that can launch a thousand thinkpieces. And yet atrl swears to me that she's not impactful. 5 5 1
brazil Posted June 14 Posted June 14 8 hours ago, Album Leak said: It's insane that the biggest artist in the world would be going after a much much MUCH smaller artist, for, what, being a bit shady towards her, and getting an acclaimed record that could be going number one in the UK? Like, does she really not care how that makes her look? If so, she has completely lost it. Was she even shady though? Isnt the song just about Charlii being insecure because of that pest Matty?
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