discussion USA continues to terrorize Cuba, China supplies food, Russia to revive tourism?

[SmittenCake]

Cuba is wooing Chinese, Russians to revive its 'rock bottom' tourism sector. Will it work?

The island nation hopes visitors from allied countries will make up for a drop in those from North America and Europe. An expert is doubtful

Cuba is enhancing its tourism sector by targeting Russian and Chinese visitors, offering perks like direct flights, visa-free entry for Chinese tourists, and accepting Russia's Mir payment cards. This strategy has led to a rise in Russian tourists, with over 66,000 visiting in the first three months of 2024. However, experts doubt this will fully compensate for the decline in American and European tourists due to U.S. sanctions and other factors. The overall tourist numbers are projected to fall short of Cuba's goals for 2024

https://www.scmp.com/lifestyle/travel-leisure/article/3266136/cuba-wooing-chinese-russians-revive-its-rock-bottom-tourism-sector-will-it-work

 

China's assistance to Cuba

China has sent emergency food aid to Cuba, reflecting its continued support amid the island's food shortages worsened by U.S. sanctions and global issues like the Russia-Ukraine conflict. This aid is part of China's broader opposition to U.S. hegemony, emphasizing solidarity and mutual assistance under initiatives like the "Belt and Road." Cuba, facing severe economic challenges, appreciates this support as it strives for food security and social stability, while resisting U.S. pressures and fostering international cooperation

https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202404/1310080.shtml

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Space Cowboy]

Cuba is still an authoritarian dictatorship that doesn't respect human rights. 

[SmittenCake]

3 minutes ago, Space Cowboy said:

Cuba is still an authoritarian dictatorship that doesn't respect human rights. 

Cuba is under the harshest and most cruelty embargos and sanctions placed by the USA. What you perceive to be authoritarian is merely the government doing the best they can to avoid havoc from the very little they can do for their people due to, what I mentioned before, cruel sanctions. The CIA has even openly stated that the entire idea was to have the Cuban people revolt that way Cuba can turn into an American island like Puerto Rico. And USA is doing NOTHING top help Puerto Ricans. But they sure are making sure American companies are buying up beaches and land.

 

thought I should mention:

 

in 2023 Cuba ranked in the top 30 most safest country for LGBTQ people. 

https://www.asherfergusson.com/lgbtq-travel-safety/

 

"Israel" at #41...

Taiwan at 48...

Japan at 73...

United States at 25  

[Communion]

6 minutes ago, Space Cowboy said:

Cuba is still an authoritarian dictatorship that doesn't respect human rights. 

Didn't the US recently lift dozens of sanctions off of Venezuela for offering to take back thousands of undocumented migrants in deportation flights?

We can also mention the actions of Israel and Saudi Arabia, etc.

 

The point has to do less with whatever a nation does or doesn't do, and that American foreign policy is largely arbitrary and determined by vibes. 

There's an embargo against Cuba because "commies bad" is an American cultural touchstone and to appease a far-right ethnic group who votes like R+82 every 4 years.

[byzantium]

15 minutes ago, Space Cowboy said:

Cuba is still an authoritarian dictatorship that doesn't respect human rights. 

So are Saudi Arabia and Israel. Apparently not a good enough reason to place sanctions. 

[Space Cowboy]

Just now, SmittenCake said:

Cuba is under the harshest and most cruelty embargos and sanctions placed by the USA. What you perceive to be authoritarian is merely the government doing the best they can to avoid havoc from the very little they can do for their people due to, what I mentioned before, cruel sanctions. The CIA has even openly stated that the entire idea was to have the Cuban people revolt that way Cuba can turn into an American island like Puerto Rico. And USA is doing NOTHING top help Puerto Ricans. But they sure are making sure American companies are buying up beaches and land.

 

thought I should mention:

 

in 2023 Cuba ranked in the top 30 most safest country for LGBTQ people. 

https://www.asherfergusson.com/lgbtq-travel-safety/

 

"Israel" at #41...

Taiwan at 48...

Japan at 73...

United States at 25  

Sis I'm half cuban. Half of my cuban family escaped from the country, some of them in small boats, and the other half wants out. I've seen with my own eyes how terrible the situation is.

The government starves the people to death. If you dare to criticize the regime, you're immediately sent to prison. They don't care about its people.

I'm all for ending the embargo, but the government needs to go as well, or cuban people will still suffer and that's something that most cubans outside Cuba would agree with.

 

Also, having Russia (an authoritarian dictatorship that's currently invading another country) and China (another authoritarian dictatorship that currently comitting a genocide against the Uyghur) as allies is not really a flex.

[Blade Runner]

34 minutes ago, Space Cowboy said:

Cuba is still an authoritarian dictatorship that doesn't respect human rights. 

The girls in here thinking they're so progressive supporting a dictatorship led by the Castros. Malditos GRINGOS. 

[Blade Runner]

27 minutes ago, SmittenCake said:

Cuba is under the harshest and most cruelty embargos and sanctions placed by the USA. What you perceive to be authoritarian is merely the government doing the best they can to avoid havoc from the very little they can do for their people due to, what I mentioned before, cruel sanctions. The CIA has even openly stated that the entire idea was to have the Cuban people revolt that way Cuba can turn into an American island like Puerto Rico. And USA is doing NOTHING top help Puerto Ricans. But they sure are making sure American companies are buying up beaches and land.

 

thought I should mention:

 

in 2023 Cuba ranked in the top 30 most safest country for LGBTQ people. 

https://www.asherfergusson.com/lgbtq-travel-safety/

 

"Israel" at #41...

Taiwan at 48...

Japan at 73...

United States at 25  

 

USA = bad

Every violent, authoritarian regime that also happens to hate the US = good 

 

Motherf+cking LOL. 

Edited June 12 by Blade Runner

[Nights]

23 minutes ago, Space Cowboy said:

Sis I'm half cuban. Half of my cuban family escaped from the country, some of them in small boats, and the other half wants out. I've seen with my own eyes how terrible the situation is.

The government starves the people to death. If you dare to criticize the regime, you're immediately sent to prison. They don't care about its people.

I'm all for ending the embargo, but the government needs to go as well, or cuban people will still suffer and that's something that most cubans outside Cuba would agree with.

 

Also, having Russia (an authoritarian dictatorship that's currently invading another country) and China (another authoritarian dictatorship that currently comitting a genocide against the Uyghur) as allies is not really a flex.

Yeah, it doesn't make sense to speak this level of facts in the ATRL echo chamber.

 

That being said, the embargo is total garbage and the US's foreign policy hypocrisy knows no bounds.

[GraceRandolph]

1 hour ago, Blade Runner said:

 

USA = bad

Every violent, authoritarian regime that also happens to hate the US = good 

 

Motherf+cking LOL. 

Do you think the embargo is harming the regime or the Cuban people?

[Trent W]

I can't believe people here are defending the Cuban government

 

You have to be insane  

 

Their people are miserable and starving

[Blade Runner]

6 minutes ago, GraceRandolph said:

Do you think the embargo is harming the regime or the Cuban people?

Both. 

 

But some of you need to stop gaslighting actual cubans (and the rest of latin americans) with the way y'all talk about the Castro dictatorship. The US government is clearly a destructive, evil monster, but that doesn't mean all those who oppose it (like Putin or the Castros) are good people doing "the best they can to avoid havoc from the very little they can do for their people" like that user said. 

 

That's a straight-up lie. Point blank. The Cuban regime also killed, massacred, and starved its people to death. And it's still doing it to this day. Embargo or not. 

Edited June 12 by Blade Runner

[Cesar]

1 hour ago, Space Cowboy said:

Also, having Russia (an authoritarian dictatorship that's currently invading another country) and China (another authoritarian dictatorship that currently comitting a genocide against the Uyghur) as allies is not really a flex.

You say this as if the United States isn't doing the same thing as we speak

[Janet]

I just visited Cuba. They are in dire need of support. It's truly shocking that they're practically next to the USA yet worlds apart. America, stop being a pathetic bully and mind your business 

[Ger]

Poppers doing their job killing most of brain cells, what a repulsive thing to defend Cuba's gov as if it wasn't malicious and pure evil. And don't @ me, I come from Venezuela, I've known what a socialist dictatorship might do on people's lives. It's all about social control, which is probably one of the most powerful/sickest things a human being can do. 

[Space Cowboy]

7 hours ago, Cesar said:

You say this as if the United States isn't doing the same thing as we speak

I'm not defending the US. Another despicable government.

[Communion]

8 hours ago, Blade Runner said:

But some of you need to stop gaslighting actual cubans (and the rest of latin americans) with the way y'all talk about the Castro dictatorship. The US government is clearly a destructive, evil monster, but that doesn't mean all those who oppose it (like Putin or the Castros) are good people doing "the best they can to avoid havoc from the very little they can do for their people" like that user said. 

I think the question then is if the Cuban government and its supporters owe it to anyone to evaluate whether potential allies like Russia or China are morally good or not. Does it matter if someone is morally good if they're the only ones willing to provide food? Medicine? Essentials?

 

And I get the knee-jerk to want to stay away from moral relativism. If there are human rights, then there is some standard we do as a world want to hold one another to. The point is more so that it seems counterintuitive when there's outrage over if governments or people of a nation embrace nations at odds with the US and the moral implications of allying with such nations with their own abuses, but in the same way...how many nations forego trade with America in protest of the embargo or any of their other human rights abuses?

 

The argument you're making is that you find the Cuban government to be authoritarian and regressive regardless of any embargo but it feels like you know that becomes difficult to actually prove on a fundamental level whilst said embargo is in place. So if you want people to be able to see your criticisms of the Cuban government, you should find it necessary for the embargo to be lifted and for Cuba to inevitably fail - as you claim to predict it will - by its own devices due to its oppressive nature and not artificially under the hand of the US regime. 

Edited June 12 by Communion

[makeme]

They cozied with the soviet's and the soviet's lost. Play a more strategic hand next time Cuba. A true **** around a find out situation 

Edited June 12 by makeme

[If U Seek Amy]

My favorite ATRLism. So apparently progressive they flip from progressive to far right support of authoritarian human rights abusing regimes because it's more trendy than supporting the US. The US may have done TONS of awful things but this will never not make me laugh supporting the same crimes on another side 

[dabunique]

Its always Non Cubans talkin about Cuban affairs

 

14 hours ago, SmittenCake said:

Cuba is under the harshest and most cruelty embargos and sanctions placed by the USA. What you perceive to be authoritarian is merely the government doing the best they can to avoid havoc from the very little they can do for their people due to, what I mentioned before, cruel sanctions. The CIA has even openly stated that the entire idea was to have the Cuban people revolt that way Cuba can turn into an American island like Puerto Rico. And USA is doing NOTHING top help Puerto Ricans. But they sure are making sure American companies are buying up beaches and land.

 

thought I should mention:

 

in 2023 Cuba ranked in the top 30 most safest country for LGBTQ people. 

https://www.asherfergusson.com/lgbtq-travel-safety/

 

"Israel" at #41...

Taiwan at 48...

Japan at 73...

United States at 25  

i guess there were no mentions on how LGBTQ were bein killed off by da Castro Regime and those who were HIV+ or had AIDS were sent to concentration camps to live for da rest of their lives away from everyone in cages ... super safe for us ... don't make me laugh 

[SmittenCake]

18 minutes ago, dabunique said:

 

 

i guess there were no mentions on how LGBTQ were bein killed off by da Castro Regime and those who were HIV+ or had AIDS were sent to concentration camps to live for da rest of their lives away from everyone in cages ... super safe for us ... don't make me laugh 

In the 50s and 60s and so on, LGBT people all over the world were being killed. Including in America. Fidel Castro himself said he's made regrettable choices in the past including the discrimination of LGBT people. He took the blame on this in the 2010s. Meanwhile, the USA continues to coddle with world leaders who continously persecute LGBT people as well as politicians within our own country. 

[dabunique]

2 minutes ago, SmittenCake said:

In the 50s and 60s and so on, LGBT people all over the world were being killed. Including in America. Fidel Castro himself said he's made regrettable choices in the past including the discrimination of LGBT people. He took the blame on this in the 2010s. Meanwhile, the USA continues to coddle with world leaders who continously persecute LGBT people as well as politicians within our own country. 

ma'am u using da US to counter attack anyone speaking ill of Cuba doesn't work here

 

da US is trash and we all acknowledge it, doesn't mean Cuba is any better 

 

da regime only lets u see what they want u to see, says whatever lie dat sounds great so they can get support as they continue their inhuman acts against their own people

 

so please i suggest u sit this one out 

 

imagine accepting a fake apology dat isn't meant for u LOL

[SmittenCake]

10 minutes ago, dabunique said:

ma'am u using da US to counter attack anyone speaking ill of Cuba doesn't work here

 

da US is trash and we all acknowledge it, doesn't mean Cuba is any better 

 

da regime only lets u see what they want u to see, says whatever lie dat sounds great so they can get support as they continue their inhuman acts against their own people

 

so please i suggest u sit this one out 

 

imagine accepting a fake apology dat isn't meant for u LOL

Cuba persecuted gays like everyone else did back then. At least Castro called himself out.

Edited June 12 by SmittenCake

[dabunique]

3 minutes ago, SmittenCake said:

Cuba persecuted gays like everyone else did back then. At least Castro called himself out.

so jus cuz Castro called himself out (u really believe he did this cuz he felt morale wrong makes me laugh) dat forgives all he does LOL

 

once again i have several seats u can have to sit this out

[montacelo]

18 hours ago, Space Cowboy said:

Sis I'm half cuban. Half of my cuban family escaped from the country, some of them in small boats, and the other half wants out. I've seen with my own eyes how terrible the situation is.

The government starves the people to death. If you dare to criticize the regime, you're immediately sent to prison. They don't care about its people.

I'm all for ending the embargo, but the government needs to go as well, or cuban people will still suffer and that's something that most cubans outside Cuba would agree with.

 

Also, having Russia (an authoritarian dictatorship that's currently invading another country) and China (another authoritarian dictatorship that currently comitting a genocide against the Uyghur) as allies is not really a flex.

Interisting that this gets no response...