base talk Why is Beyoncé criticized for using writing camps while Rihanna gets a free pass?

[Bitter Aging Twink]

If you've spent any amount of time on pop music forums, you will have inevitably come across the tired trope of Beyoncé not being a "real artist" due to her chronic use of writing camps to help create her albums.  Rihanna, on the other hand, never seems to have this narrative surrounding her work, despite the fact that many, if not most, of her songs are written by 5+ people, none of whom is typically Ms. Fenty herself.  Why is this the case? Are pop music fans merely grasping at straws for any ammunition they can find against Beyoncé, or is there something about Rihanna specifically that automatically makes people forgive her for the same "transgressions" supposedly committed by other artists? Discuss 

[punisher]

because beyonce is more respected and praised in the industry, and people hate that she gets that without writing her songs

both of them get dragged though

[Cheers]

This has always been a drag against Rihanna tho?

[abelfenty]

Who is giving Rihanna a free pass cause yall are making threads like this every other week

[HASHTAGPOW]

Ms. Fenty hasn't been making music for five decades. Why bother now?

[zach]

No one has ever given Rihanna a free pass wtf you talking about

[bielneira]

Rihanna is not even a singer anymore, that's why

[Josh]

Rihanna doesnt pretend to be more than just a pop star. nor has she ever lied about her music

[Wicked]

Sensible people don't care that much about Pop artists having writers or using demos. It's really a nothingburger situation.

[Cesar]

the thing is everyone knows rihanna doesn't write her own music. you can literally hear the demo versions of her songs that sound exactly like the final version.

 

beyonce in the other hand, likes to pretends she writes her music. this is no shade to beyonce either, i love her music. but cmon now

[ZacXCX]

I've also seen Rihanna get dragged for it, to be fair. I don't know where this comes from.

 

But if we must get the discussion going, Rih was seen more as a hitmaker rather than an artiste, especially before ANTI, so it's probably just due to the fact that her audience cared less about things like that than say, a Beyoncé fan. It's not that deep.

[americanshameless]

Rihanna's whole brand is not giving a **** so why should we?

[Bitter Aging Twink]

10 minutes ago, abelfenty said:

Who is giving Rihanna a free pass cause yall are making threads like this every other week

Lots of people. I consistently see "Anti" being brought up as some kind of artistic masterpiece, when in reality it was just a well-curated writing camp record.  But for some reason, the online stan community seems to consistently praise "Anti" while simultaneously dragging all of Bey's most recent records, when there's really not that much difference between them in terms of the artist's own personal input.

[ericcartman]

Beyonce claims to be a songwriter, Rihanna does not.

[BrokenMachine]

I'm guessing some people are still b*tthurt for Lemonade. Beyoncé or her team made Lemonade seem like such a personal project for her and to make us see her troubled relationship with Jay-Z, and you'd expect self-written songs from that, but looking at the credits and writers experiences seems like she didn't write much of it

[Thor]

Because Rihanna stans don't force this fake image of her being this deep, intellectual artiste who is writing her own songs, producing her own music, coming up with every single concept for her albums like Beyonce stans do.

 

Just look at the song with Miley, we just found out that Miley had written the song 2 years ago and even recorded a demo that's literally the exact same on the album. That's no different than what Sia or Ester Dean were doing for Rihanna albums.

 

Beyonce literally cannot put together an album without the help of a massive 200-300 ppl team but if you were to believe the media and her stans, you'd think she writes every single song, plays every single instrument, produces every single song.

 

But history has repeatedly shown that Beyonce is a curator, she takes other ppls songs and ideas and puts together an album but meticulously creates this illusion that she is the brains behind everything when that's never been the case. And that's why she constantly gets called out and dragged by stan world and sometimes even by ppl in the industry (hence the countless lawsuits against her). It's all smokes & mirrors.

[pisuke]

Rihanna doesn't force her name in the writing credits. 

[VegasBaby3000]

One has a reputation for being a notorious, shameless thief, and the other does not. 

[Rep2000]

6 minutes ago, pisuke said:

Rihanna doesn't force her name in the writing credits. 

You would think so until you have a look at Anti's credits. For example, Consideration was SZA's song way before she (regrettedly) showed it to Rihanna's camp. But Rihanna now has credit on it, just like the rest of the songs on that album.

Edited June 10 by Rep2000

[glitch]

2 minutes ago, pisuke said:

Rihanna doesn't force her name in the writing credits. 

Now we know that's not true...she's credited as a writer on every song on Anti apart from Same Ol' Mistakes.

 

@RideOrDie clocked Miss Fenty's stolen credits tea a few months ago

[cat1867]

The issue isn't that Beyonce uses writing camps but whether Beyonce actually earned her songwriting credits.  Beyonce talks about herself as a songwriter but people doubt it because she has credits on two songs which were completely written  before she recorded them. There is common belief in industry circles  that she is a credit thief and her requiring songwriting camps to create albums spreads more doubt about whether she has any writing skills.

 

There is a good chance that she has honestly earned some of her credits. But Beyonce's choice to no longer do interviews and keep her creative process secret provides more ammunition.

 

Rihanna doesn't have writing credits on the vast majority her songs. She doesn't "pretend" to be a songwriter. Her using songwriting camps is simply a fact that doesn't undermine her image because she never portrayed herself as a songwriter.

[BionicWooHoo]

16 minutes ago, ericcartman said:

Beyonce claims to be a songwriter, Rihanna does not.

pretty much this. I like Rihanna but she's always been that cool girl who like puts out consistent bops. I dont exactly think of her as being like this high brow artist who makes conceptual albums. 

[ForgottenSoul]

Beyonce tries to act all artistic and make a big thing about her writing while Rihanna does not. 

 

Also the fact shes the leader writer on everything also.. like please. 

[UnusualBoy]

She's always been dragged for that  

[Broken]

"Rihanna gets a free pass"

 

Have you been living under a rock?