news Democrats in full-blown 'freakout' over Biden

[AvadaKedavra]

There's no way Biden is winning. USA is goin full into dictatorship mode  sayin this as a southamerican. Even people here think he's a lost cause-senine old man with nothing good
The democrats are so dumb. What en embarrasement.  Dark times are coming for the States and the World

Hope there's a miracle and there's a way to save us from Trump. Manifesting a miracle




 

[Twixters]

3 hours ago, Bloo said:

This is the exact kind of thinking for how people continue to vote for the big scary Republicans just for tax cuts. "I feel bad for the minorities in America who will be affected by Trump but I'm not gonna sacrifice my own life of comfort for them."

APPLES AND ORANGES. 
 

If you don't want trump you vote dem.

 

if you don't want war in Gaza doesn't matter who you vote for. It's a lost cause. Both agree with it. So since they both agree I'm going with the one who doesn't want to run our democracy into the ground. You don't win by not voting Biden. 
 

This is the real world so grow up and get real. The fact you think you gonna win some moral brownie points for not voting at all is asinine! "I wanna punish the dems by supporting Gaza" is going to do nothing but punish you for the next 30 years!  

Edited May 29 by Twixters

[Twixters]

3 hours ago, ForgottenSoul said:

You say this but Biden was behind by like 5% compared to last year in Michigan and that was before the Israel situation. 

 

How many Muslim voters voted in Michigan in 2020? 

 

Pretty sure Muslim demographic in Michigan is a very low % and I doubt all Muslim voters voted. 

 

It's around 240k Muslim population in Michigan and I doubt even half of that voted. 

How many of those Muslims are actually of age and voting citizens? Some are not even properly naturalized yet. I speak of this from my own uncle who is from Michigan. He is Arab from Dearborn and some of his family members living here haven't even finished the process lol 

Edited May 29 by Twixters

[RedOne]

Reading this thread as a non American is interesting. Neither democrats, nor Biden are perfect, not by a long shot. Broken campaign promises, supplying Israel with money and weapons etc. Having said that, I don't think many people in the US understand and realise what they currently have and what they are on the cusp of losing. I guess y'all have to lose it to finally understand what you had, but it will be too late by then though. And people who think that Trump is kidding or that people around him won't allow him to go full on dictator clearly haven't been paying attention. Trump during his 1st term didn't really know what he was doing and he had many (not all) people around him that were stopping him from doing a lot of crazy ****. Trump in revenge mode with yes men around him and Bannon as his advisor in the 2nd term will be a disaster with long term effects. I mean, they are clearly telling you right now exactly what they are going to do. And, at this moment, it seems that the American people will let it happen. But, again, I am not American. It's your country to lose.

[Communion]

36 minutes ago, RedOne said:

Having said that, I don't think many people in the US understand and realise what they currently have and what they are on the cusp of losing. I guess y'all have to lose it to finally understand what you had, but it will be too late by then though.

Biden and Democrats has overseen the kicking off of 20M+ Americans from Medicaid lol. 

[GraceRandolph]

45 minutes ago, Twixters said:

APPLES AND ORANGES. 
 

If you don't want trump you vote dem.

 

if you don't want war in Gaza doesn't matter who you vote for. It's a lost cause. Both agree with it. So since they both agree I'm going with the one who doesn't want to run our democracy into the ground. You don't win by not voting Biden. 
 

This is the real world so grow up and get real. The fact you think you gonna win some moral brownie points for not voting at all is asinine! "I wanna punish the dems by supporting Gaza" is going to do nothing but punish you for the next 30 years!  

The problem is that a huge chunk of the electorate doesn't want either Biden or Trump. This means they'll vote third party or stay home. Dems think this argument is compelling but for the vast majority of voters "getting rid of Trump" is not a compelling reason to vote for someone they also hate. VBNMW libs are not the majority of the electorate. This is the third presidential campaign in a row the Democratic Party has attempted to turn into a referendum on Donald Trump, but this strategy no longer engages voters. Just pointing at Trump's crimes won't make Biden's war crimes seem less severe, bringing up Trump's age won't make Biden's memory issues leave the minds of voters, and talking about Trump's hypothetical second term won't absolve the dissatisfaction with Biden.

 

[Bloo]

52 minutes ago, Twixters said:

APPLES AND ORANGES. 
 

If you don't want trump you vote dem.

 

if you don't want war in Gaza doesn't matter who you vote for. It's a lost cause. Both agree with it. So since they both agree I'm going with the one who doesn't want to run our democracy into the ground. You don't win by not voting Biden. 
 

This is the real world so grow up and get real. The fact you think you gonna win some moral brownie points for not voting at all is asinine! "I wanna punish the dems by supporting Gaza" is going to do nothing but punish you for the next 30 years!  

Most of our votes blatantly do not matter because of the electoral college. So why are you wasting so much energy trying to lecture people on how they should vote when most of it is an emotional decision to begin with?

[Graves]

This is so callously accelerationist of me to say, but I think Democrats need to lose this election to learn from it. The Obama era is long-gone, and we're going on a decade now of hopeless, fearmongering strategies. "Vote for us or Republicans will destroy America". We aren't inspiring people to vote, we're shaming and scaring them into it. Do they not see how utterly unsustainable a system like that is?

 

What would even happen if we all held our tongues and managed to elect Biden for a second term? What real material change will we observe in our lives? I was told we'd already defeated Trumpism back in 2020, but here we are again four years later - and Trump's back, and polling ahead with an even more terrifying agenda than previously. Biden told us he was going to be a president who would reach across the aisle and begin to repair a torn nation. He's done nothing but further intensify the rifts. The man can't even unite his own torn party because of his bloodthirsty ways.

 

The fault for a Democrat loss in 2024 will not be on the voters who stayed home, but instead on the dem convention members who greenlit Biden for another term despite his initial promises of being a one-term president.

 

I hate to dip into such nihilist thought, but I don't see any good ending for the country. Even if Biden somehow pulled out a victory, I can only image we'll be back here in 2028: with a corporate-backed, uninspired candidate facing down an even more wretched Republican ticket.

[dawnettakins]

Well of course they're scared NOW after gaslighting us all and starving us of any real opportunity to have a decent, strong Democratic candidate through an open primary.

 

The rest of us not blinded by corprate campaign donations saw this coming a mile away. Shocking!!

[ForgottenSoul]

1 hour ago, RedOne said:

Reading this thread as a non American is interesting. Neither democrats, nor Biden are perfect, not by a long shot. Broken campaign promises, supplying Israel with money and weapons etc. Having said that, I don't think many people in the US understand and realise what they currently have and what they are on the cusp of losing. I guess y'all have to lose it to finally understand what you had, but it will be too late by then though. And people who think that Trump is kidding or that people around him won't allow him to go full on dictator clearly haven't been paying attention. Trump during his 1st term didn't really know what he was doing and he had many (not all) people around him that were stopping him from doing a lot of crazy ****. Trump in revenge mode with yes men around him and Bannon as his advisor in the 2nd term will be a disaster with long term effects. I mean, they are clearly telling you right now exactly what they are going to do. And, at this moment, it seems that the American people will let it happen. But, again, I am not American. It's your country to lose.

I hope Democrats at least win Senate seats or yeah reps will do a lot of bad **** 

[Twixters]

1 hour ago, RedOne said:

Reading this thread as a non American is interesting. Neither democrats, nor Biden are perfect, not by a long shot. Broken campaign promises, supplying Israel with money and weapons etc. Having said that, I don't think many people in the US understand and realise what they currently have and what they are on the cusp of losing. I guess y'all have to lose it to finally understand what you had, but it will be too late by then though. And people who think that Trump is kidding or that people around him won't allow him to go full on dictator clearly haven't been paying attention. Trump during his 1st term didn't really know what he was doing and he had many (not all) people around him that were stopping him from doing a lot of crazy ****. Trump in revenge mode with yes men around him and Bannon as his advisor in the 2nd term will be a disaster with long term effects. I mean, they are clearly telling you right now exactly what they are going to do. And, at this moment, it seems that the American people will let it happen. But, again, I am not American. It's your country to lose.

Thank you they are voting like whiny first world problem people! They DO NOT know what they are about to lose in their current comfort. There's a reason my grandparents who lived through the civil rights are SCARED AND WORRIED. They know first hand what can happen and how it feels to fight and live through it. The younger generations Do not. 

57 minutes ago, GraceRandolph said:

The problem is that a huge chunk of the electorate doesn't want either Biden or Trump. This means they'll vote third party or stay home. Dems think this argument is compelling but for the vast majority of voters "getting rid of Trump" is not a compelling reason to vote for someone they also hate. VBNMW libs are not the majority of the electorate. This is the third presidential campaign in a row the Democratic Party has attempted to turn into a referendum on Donald Trump, but this strategy no longer engages voters. Just pointing at Trump's crimes won't make Biden's war crimes seem less severe, bringing up Trump's age won't make Biden's memory issues leave the minds of voters, and talking about Trump's hypothetical second term won't absolve the dissatisfaction with Biden.

 

We don't live in a perfect world though. No way in these next few months will a third party win against trump. I would looove that but there's too much to lose. I'm just hoping by 2028 we can get **** back on track. But I don't wanna go 60 years backwards in the meantime. 

[Thesedays]

7 hours ago, ForgottenSoul said:

You say this but Biden was behind by like 5% compared to last year in Michigan and that was before the Israel situation. 

 

How many Muslim voters voted in Michigan in 2020? 

 

Pretty sure Muslim demographic in Michigan is a very low % and I doubt all Muslim voters voted. 

 

Its around 240k Muslim population in Michigan and I doubt even half of that voted. 

I love the lack of reading comprehension. Bless you.

[Thesedays]

12 hours ago, The7thStranger said:

I never did that.

Why don't you try and read the message I was replying to? (Which was your own btw). I clearly wasn't referring to you.

 

As for me, I have no idea why you'd think I am trying to "convince" anybody. If people need covincing as to why genocide should be a red line that's on them.

[Thesedays]

4 hours ago, RedOne said:

Reading this thread as a non American is interesting. Neither democrats, nor Biden are perfect, not by a long shot. Broken campaign promises, supplying Israel with money and weapons etc. Having said that, I don't think many people in the US understand and realise what they currently have and what they are on the cusp of losing. I guess y'all have to lose it to finally understand what you had, but it will be too late by then though. And people who think that Trump is kidding or that people around him won't allow him to go full on dictator clearly haven't been paying attention. Trump during his 1st term didn't really know what he was doing and he had many (not all) people around him that were stopping him from doing a lot of crazy ****. Trump in revenge mode with yes men around him and Bannon as his advisor in the 2nd term will be a disaster with long term effects. I mean, they are clearly telling you right now exactly what they are going to do. And, at this moment, it seems that the American people will let it happen. But, again, I am not American. It's your country to lose.

As a non American who is also on the outside looking in I think you're full of **** tbqh.

 

Americans who are looking around rn and think their democracy isn't broken but will be when Trump is elected are the ones who are completely oblivious. Is Trump a threat to democracy? Yes. Does the US has a real democracy and is Biden doing anything to make the country more democratic? Clearly not. I can kind of get why Americans don't get it but peiple outside of it? I mean, maybe Europeans, they're also pretty oblivious to politics for the most part…

[liquiddiamonds]

He already won one election on the basis of rightfully antagonizing a competitor. He needed a strong tenure to reap his reelection campaign and Biden gave very little to nothing. That's the truth democrats are facing deep down and not verbalizing. Their lack of action and seizing the last four years to push for policies that mobilized youth and others for Biden is the true culprit. They are crazy to bet on Trump's rejection and his trial win an election the second time. Seriously one of the most incompetent parties worldwide. To think a third party option is not taking advantage of the moment and growing is also doom itself. Party bipolarity is America's downfall

[khalyan]

6 hours ago, RedOne said:

Reading this thread as a non American is interesting. Neither democrats, nor Biden are perfect, not by a long shot. Broken campaign promises, supplying Israel with money and weapons etc. Having said that, I don't think many people in the US understand and realise what they currently have and what they are on the cusp of losing. I guess y'all have to lose it to finally understand what you had, but it will be too late by then though. And people who think that Trump is kidding or that people around him won't allow him to go full on dictator clearly haven't been paying attention. Trump during his 1st term didn't really know what he was doing and he had many (not all) people around him that were stopping him from doing a lot of crazy ****. Trump in revenge mode with yes men around him and Bannon as his advisor in the 2nd term will be a disaster with long term effects. I mean, they are clearly telling you right now exactly what they are going to do. And, at this moment, it seems that the American people will let it happen. But, again, I am not American. It's your country to lose.

It’s more nuanced than this because people’s experience changes drastically depending on their state’s rights. 
 

My experience living in a red city in a red state has not changed much from Trump to Biden. 

[Vermillion]

7 hours ago, Subomie said:

This is so callously accelerationist of me to say, but I think Democrats need to lose this election to learn from it. The Obama era is long-gone, and we're going on a decade now of hopeless, fearmongering strategies. "Vote for us or Republicans will destroy America". We aren't inspiring people to vote, we're shaming and scaring them into it. Do they not see how utterly unsustainable a system like that is?

 

What would even happen if we all held our tongues and managed to elect Biden for a second term? What real material change will we observe in our lives? I was told we'd already defeated Trumpism back in 2020, but here we are again four years later - and Trump's back, and polling ahead with an even more terrifying agenda than previously. Biden told us he was going to be a president who would reach across the aisle and begin to repair a torn nation. He's done nothing but further intensify the rifts. The man can't even unite his own torn party because of his bloodthirsty ways.

 

The fault for a Democrat loss in 2024 will not be on the voters who stayed home, but instead on the dem convention members who greenlit Biden for another term despite his initial promises of being a one-term president.

 

I hate to dip into such nihilist thought, but I don't see any good ending for the country. Even if Biden somehow pulled out a victory, I can only image we'll be back here in 2028: with a corporate-backed, uninspired candidate facing down an even more wretched Republican ticket.

I understand why cynicism can be so baked in as to turn to this, but I'm against chaos acceleration, as I was in 2016 (even though I've gone further left). I don't have the energy to proselytize for a different direction but I'm getting deja vu again to that infamous Susan Sarandon and Chris Hayes interview:

 

[Bloo]

9 hours ago, RedOne said:

Reading this thread as a non American is interesting. Neither democrats, nor Biden are perfect, not by a long shot. Broken campaign promises, supplying Israel with money and weapons etc. Having said that, I don't think many people in the US understand and realise what they currently have and what they are on the cusp of losing. I guess y'all have to lose it to finally understand what you had, but it will be too late by then though. And people who think that Trump is kidding or that people around him won't allow him to go full on dictator clearly haven't been paying attention. Trump during his 1st term didn't really know what he was doing and he had many (not all) people around him that were stopping him from doing a lot of crazy ****. Trump in revenge mode with yes men around him and Bannon as his advisor in the 2nd term will be a disaster with long term effects. I mean, they are clearly telling you right now exactly what they are going to do. And, at this moment, it seems that the American people will let it happen. But, again, I am not American. It's your country to lose.

It’s always wild to me when people try to lecture people that live in a country about the reality of their country when the lecturer themselves do not live in it. 

[Thesedays]

9 hours ago, Espresso said:

I understand why cynicism can be so baked in as to turn to this, but I'm against chaos acceleration, as I was in 2016 (even though I've gone further left). I don't have the energy to proselytize for a different direction but I'm getting deja vu again to that infamous Susan Sarandon and Chris Hayes interview:

 

Susan is such a queen.

[GhostBox]

6 hours ago, Thesedays said:

Susan is such a queen.

Shes a hypocritical hag. That's about it 

[GhostBox]

On 5/29/2024 at 12:23 PM, RedOne said:

Reading this thread as a non American is interesting. Neither democrats, nor Biden are perfect, not by a long shot. Broken campaign promises, supplying Israel with money and weapons etc. Having said that, I don't think many people in the US understand and realise what they currently have and what they are on the cusp of losing. I guess y'all have to lose it to finally understand what you had, but it will be too late by then though. And people who think that Trump is kidding or that people around him won't allow him to go full on dictator clearly haven't been paying attention. Trump during his 1st term didn't really know what he was doing and he had many (not all) people around him that were stopping him from doing a lot of crazy ****. Trump in revenge mode with yes men around him and Bannon as his advisor in the 2nd term will be a disaster with long term effects. I mean, they are clearly telling you right now exactly what they are going to do. And, at this moment, it seems that the American people will let it happen. But, again, I am not American. It's your country to lose.

Yup. 
 

Unfortunately most voters are stupid or as this thread proves some on the left are just liars and want to see the world burn to say "I told ya so" 🤷

[Communion]

28 minutes ago, GhostBox said:

Unfortunately most voters are stupid

Very compelling argument to convince voters to vote for your candidate. 

[Vermillion]

7 hours ago, Thesedays said:

Susan is such a queen.

56 minutes ago, GhostBox said:

Shes a hypocritical hag. That's about it 

To be clear, my mention was based on the segment in this interview of Susan agreeing with Chris' framing of heightening the contradictions of progressives voting for Trump to bring about an accelerationist chaos theory. Which again, I'm against.

 

There's things she's said that I agree with and disagree with, but that's a separate argument.

[Anthinos]

16 hours ago, Bloo said:

It's always wild to me when people try to lecture people that live in a country about the reality of their country when the lecturer themselves do not live in it. 

Well, America is a world power and especially for people who live in the West, it does matter who rules in America. Especially now that Russia is attacking Europe. Americans are also not completely indifferent to what happens in the world, as you can see from their actions time and again. So why shouldn't we criticize you Americans for your voting behavior?

 

I don't understand how you can simply allow Trump to win when you know after his countless speeches, the behavior of the Republicans, Project 2025 etc. what his victory would do. Apparently you really need to go through an authoritarian phase like many European countries have had or Russia currently has to understand. What's happening in Palestine is bad but Trump's victory won't change that either, maybe even make it worse. So it's completely illogical to punish the Democrats. You are only punishing yourselves. 

 

Personally, as a gay person, I just find it frightening how right-wing extremists are coming to power with their hatred in many Western countries.

Edited May 30 by Anthinos

[byzantium]

On 5/29/2024 at 10:56 AM, AvadaKedavra said:

There's no way Biden is winning. USA is goin full into dictatorship mode  sayin this as a southamerican. Even people here think he's a lost cause-senine old man with nothing good
The democrats are so dumb. What en embarrasement.  Dark times are coming for the States and the World

Hope there's a miracle and there's a way to save us from Trump. Manifesting a miracle




 

Here is the aggravating thing, we all know this, and the Democrats have a number of people who can easily win this election. but the democratic establishment is so set in their "process" that they feel they have not choice but to back Biden.