ForgottenSoul Posted May 28 Posted May 28 1 hour ago, i spit on haters said: This is what I'm hoping and have been realistically pushing for. I don't like Gavin but at least with a Gavin/Harris ticket I can hold my nose and vote for them. Even as a vote against Trump. I refuse to vote for Biden. Morally speaking, I just can't. It isn't just Biden unwavering support of a foreign, fascist country that he's putting before America. It's his many intentionally broken campaign promises, his ineffectiveness to get anything substantively done and his age being big factors. Voters don't have visceral distain and contempt for Gavin like we do with Biden. Granted that's also in part because Gavin isn't a household name unless you're someone who follows politics closely. But that would also play in Gavin's favor. He comes across quite likable in interviews (again, I'm not a fan) even though he's another establishment democrat. Most voters will see him as a handsome, charismatic nice guy with decent policies. Gavin simply doesn't come with the baggage Biden does. Sorry for the paragraph. I just have a lot to say. Refusing to vote for Biden is voting for Trump and Gavin would support Israel just as much as Biden or Trump. 3 3
GraceRandolph Posted May 28 Author Posted May 28 1 minute ago, ForgottenSoul said: its too late but yeah, Biden can still be replaced at the convention in August. He's the oldest president in US history. I'm pretty sure everyone would understand his decision to step down. 1 minute ago, ForgottenSoul said: Yeah Trump doesnt support Israel or Genocide yet is going to win.. right. Biden has been losing against trump in polls for ages Israel **** had nothing to do with it. Biden was struggling in the polls, but a majority of his base believes Israel is committing a genocide. Trump's base doesn't care about this as much overall. Gaza was likely the final nail in his coffin. 3 1
ForgottenSoul Posted May 28 Posted May 28 (edited) 2 minutes ago, GraceRandolph said: Biden can still be replaced at the convention in August. He's the oldest president in US history. I'm pretty sure everyone would understand his decision to step down. Biden was struggling in the polls, but a majority of his base believes Israel is committing a genocide. Trump's base doesn't care about this as much overall. Gaza was likely the final nail in his coffin. I mean if we look at polls barely anything has really changed in terms of how hes performing. I really doubt they replace Biden and its too late because Gavin wont have time to really campaign. Edited May 28 by ForgottenSoul
Popular Post Communion Posted May 28 Popular Post Posted May 28 4 minutes ago, ForgottenSoul said: Yeah Trump doesnt support Israel or Genocide Trump supports genocide. His supporters like genocide. This helps him win. Biden supports genocide. His supporters DO NOT like genocide. Will this help or hurt his chances of winning? IF JOHNNY HAS TWO APPLES....AND I GIVE HIM TWO MORE APPLES... 2 4 16
Cain Posted May 28 Posted May 28 As a non-American it seems incredibly obvious Trump is going to win this? And like, the Democratic party knows, so why aren't they looking for a better candidate than the nearly croaking senile genocide supporter?? 8
DAP Posted May 28 Posted May 28 Boring theater. Either do something about it or shut the **** up and stop wasting our time 6 1
GraceRandolph Posted May 28 Author Posted May 28 7 minutes ago, ForgottenSoul said: I mean if we look at polls barely anything has really changed in terms of how hes performing. I really doubt they replace Biden and its too late because Gavin wont have time to really campaign. Pundits kept saying Biden's polling would improve as Trump's trials began and Gaza would become less of an issue, but Biden's numbers aren't budging. Maybe he is just a weak, unsalvageable candidate? 1
shyboi Posted May 28 Posted May 28 18 minutes ago, ForgottenSoul said: Refusing to vote for Biden is voting for Trump This is not true. 1
Badgalbriel Posted May 28 Posted May 28 21 minutes ago, ForgottenSoul said: Refusing to vote for Biden is voting for Trump and Gavin would support Israel just as much as Biden or Trump. Girl, this election is bigger than Israel, don't you see it? 1 1
ForgottenSoul Posted May 28 Posted May 28 25 minutes ago, Badgalbriel said: Girl, this election is bigger than Israel, don't you see it? It is? Yet thats all the young left seem to care about? 27 minutes ago, shyboi said: This is not true. It really is 36 minutes ago, GraceRandolph said: Pundits kept saying Biden's polling would improve as Trump's trials began and Gaza would become less of an issue, but Biden's numbers aren't budging. Maybe he is just a weak, unsalvageable candidate? Oh I agree but dont think israel has played much of a imapct in that the 99% of people really dont care about it and the young left wing voters are a small %. 2
ForgottenSoul Posted May 28 Posted May 28 44 minutes ago, Cain said: As a non-American it seems incredibly obvious Trump is going to win this? And like, the Democratic party knows, so why aren't they looking for a better candidate than the nearly croaking senile genocide supporter?? Its very late but yeah they should have done that ages ago.
GraceRandolph Posted May 28 Author Posted May 28 3 minutes ago, ForgottenSoul said: Oh I agree but dont think israel has played much of a imapct in that the 99% of people really dont care about it and the young left wing voters are a small %. "The president is under water with every demographic delineated in the poll — other than Black voters. Fifty-three percent of Latinos and 54 percent of whites reported having an unfavorable opinion of him."
ForgottenSoul Posted May 28 Posted May 28 Just now, GraceRandolph said: "The president is under water with every demographic delineated in the poll — other than Black voters. Fifty-three percent of Latinos and 54 percent of whites reported having an unfavorable opinion of him." I mean im not saying hes a good candidate but he was performing badly even before Israel **** thats all.
shyboi Posted May 28 Posted May 28 5 minutes ago, ForgottenSoul said: It really is it's a common misconception that, statistically doesn't translate to reality. we can all skip our votes without fearing it will go to the other side
Vermillion Posted May 28 Posted May 28 @ForgottenSoul Blaming thousands of Michigan voters whose entire families have been killed instead of the millions of voters nationally who consistently stay home EVERY election is profound hubris and exactly the problem. Shaming has not worked and will not work. It's gaslighting at its finest to avoid discussion of actual policy change. This is a negative partisanship election that based on our electoral system, will again, be decided on roughly 100-200K votes in the Upper Midwest. Specifically what used to be his base. Or at least a tenuous version of it. The saddest part of all of this is he knows this and doesn't care. 8
Mike91 Posted May 28 Posted May 28 I've said it before, but upperclass white women will come in and save the day for Biden. Dems will likely get one more election victory out of the abortion issue. 1
woohoo Posted May 28 Posted May 28 (edited) 1 hour ago, Cain said: As a non-American it seems incredibly obvious Trump is going to win this? And like, the Democratic party knows, so why aren't they looking for a better candidate than the nearly croaking senile genocide supporter?? We had candidates in our primaries but people like to ***** way more than you know, actually standing in line in a primary vote. People just didn't want him off the ticket bad enough I guess. That compiled with his foreign policy is a recipe for disaster for us. I'm honestly considering Canada if Trump is the winner. My uncle said I can chill there until Trump steps down if he does but I have no idea how long I could stay or citizenship options. I'm gay, I can't stay in the USA under Trump again now that he's learned how to work the system and has the court stacked. Edited May 28 by woohoo 1
Vermillion Posted May 28 Posted May 28 7 minutes ago, Mike91 said: I've said it before, but upperclass white women will come in and save the day for Biden. Dems will likely get one more election victory out of the abortion issue. If we didn't have an Electoral College, I'd completely agree with you. The enthusiasm of older Michigan white women and the rage of the Michigan Muslim diaspora will cancel each other out in November. I've been consistent in arguing that since February. There's also the false illusion that ticket splitting has given liberals that Biden will continue to be able to ride out Roe's coattails. The greatest exhibits to destroy that theory will be the red state referendums that will continue to succeed while their Democratic counterparts don't - Exhibit A is Florida.
stevyy Posted May 28 Posted May 28 The ONLY way forward is to dissolve the country. The Democratoc states should for a new country. The Trumpists, around 100 - 150 million Americans today, are simply too far gone. Then Trump can establish Gilead and we're done with it.
shyboi Posted May 28 Posted May 28 2 minutes ago, stevyy said: The ONLY way forward is to dissolve the country. The Democratoc states should for a new country. The Trumpists, around 100 - 150 million Americans today, are simply too far gone. Then Trump can establish Gilead and we're done with it. be serious
Vermillion Posted May 28 Posted May 28 1 hour ago, DAP said: Boring theater. Either do something about it or shut the **** up and stop wasting our time The donor class is trying to avoid blame for the inevitable fallout when Biden does lose instead of discussing actual policy shifts. Which I suppose is slightly better than the blind narcissism of Robby Mook, and by extension, the woman he was working for.
Nova_23 Posted May 28 Posted May 28 1 hour ago, Communion said: Trump supports genocide. His supporters like genocide. This helps him win. Biden supports genocide. His supporters DO NOT like genocide. Will this help or hurt his chances of winning? IF JOHNNY HAS TWO APPLES....AND I GIVE HIM TWO MORE APPLES... What's not clicking with some of these posters
ForgottenSoul Posted May 28 Posted May 28 36 minutes ago, Espresso said: @ForgottenSoul Blaming thousands of Michigan voters whose entire families have been killed instead of the millions of voters nationally who consistently stay home EVERY election is profound hubris and exactly the problem. Shaming has not worked and will not work. It's gaslighting at its finest to avoid discussion of actual policy change. This is a negative partisanship election that based on our electoral system, will again, be decided on roughly 100-200K votes in the Upper Midwest. Specifically what used to be his base. Or at least a tenuous version of it. The saddest part of all of this is he knows this and doesn't care. I blame both non voters and people who wont vote for a candiate due to one issue and Im not blaming those families? If your affected by it then obviously dont vote like what?
velocity Posted May 28 Posted May 28 with everything happening in the US and project 2025 you'd think democrats would have an easy win and yet they managed to colossally **** it up 1
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