discussion Is anyone seeing an influx of homophobic and transphobic things across social media?

[KFC]

7 hours ago, Cheers said:

A lot of us on here called it a few years ago. It's going to get worse when Trump is elected. Brace yourselves. 

Isn't he impeached? How can he be elected again

[HarajukuPrincess]

9 hours ago, Pendulum said:

this is a side effect from the radicalisation of gen X and gen alpha

Uh-oh... is this really happening?

[Stimulus]

1 hour ago, KFC said:

Isn't he impeached? How can he be elected again

A successful impeachment needs a majority (over 1/2) of the House and a supermajority (over 2/3) of the Senate. Trump's first impeachment in 2019 was approved by the House 230-197 (abuse of power) and 229-198 (obstruction of Congress), but he was acquitted by the Senate 48-52 and 47-53. Trump's second impeachment in 2021 was approved by the House 232-197 (incitement of insurrection) and by a majority of the Senate 57-43, but he was acquitted again because it takes 67 votes in the Senate to form a supermajority and get him removed from office.

 

Trump was impeached twice because he went through this process, but he wasn't actually convicted. If he were convicted, the Senate would have held another vote to bar Trump from federal office, and if a majority (over 1/2) approved, he would have been blocked from the presidency for the rest of his life. Unfortunately, this didn't happen.

Edited May 26 by Stimulus

[Just a Gay on ATRL]

Yes. Add to this list I am also seeing a growing number of really questionable posts about autism lately.

[ithinkheknowsoutsold]

8 hours ago, Delirious said:

Trump radicalism? Girl are we forgetting about other homophobic religions? Christianity isn't the only culprit

Your racism and Muslim hatred is so thinly-disguised. It's one thing to fundamentally oppose Islam and its teachings, but you take it out on Muslim people (a lot of whom are some of the most oppressed people on the planet) at every single instance you can and it's really disturbing to see. 

[ithinkheknowsoutsold]

3 hours ago, kimberly said:

fatphobic

Are we really making fatphobia a thing now? People die because of anti-trans hate and there are legislations working against it, it's really not the same.

[ithinkheknowsoutsold]

12 hours ago, Gwendolyn said:

Only a few years ago, this would've been taboo to talk about; with the rise of facism and discrimination, I'm starting to worry Gen Z is becoming increasingly intolerant. 1 million+ likes on trans and homophobic tiktoks should be raising alarm bells, I'm hearing my own coursemates parrote transphobic jokes and I'm surprised that people think this gen is that progressive.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The worst are the Instagram reel comments. So violently transphobic and homophobic and there is just rampant racism there; especially through the incredibly casual usage of the n-word by non-black people (perpetrated a lot by Indian people, no shade to my fellow South Asians).

 

This hatred is spread a lot by young boys influenced by the wrong crowd. There is a big intersection between the moggers, the looksmaxxers, the gym bros, the Andrew Tate fans, and the homophobes/transphobes/misogynists. I think it's incredibly ironic how these people are supposedly becoming more accepting of feminine traits like looking good and self-care and how a lot of them music by trans artists like Ayesha Erotica/Britney Manson or very gay-pandering artists like Gaga/Heidi Montag whilst being lethally bigoted themselves. 

[Communion]

8 hours ago, JanStan said:

Even my trans friends despise the current activism that is happening. They haven't started feeling this way until activists started trying to normalize things that are objectively false and the backlash that comes with it. 

 

8 hours ago, Timeless said:

It's thanks to the non-binary and pronouns community over the past few years and the hypersensivity of it all. All the absurd gender ideologies are making the entire LGBT look bad and causing people to lash out. 

 

8 hours ago, Price of Fame said:

The left has been very obnoxious and annoying and it turns people off even those who would normally be allies  

 

7 hours ago, Trent W said:

The trans-hating videos I've seen online lately are mostly the ones claiming stuff like "there is no difference between a bio woman and a trans woman" or videos with the "1000 pronouns" topic which are too controversial.

 

There needs to be a difference between describing something real and something like "there is no difference between trans women and bio women"  ideas that are not real, which falls into the sports topic for example

 

Imo trans people need to be respected as much as bio women but acknowledging the differences and not fall into a fantasy

 

Homophobes and transphobes are using these points to destroy the lgbt community as a whole because a lot of people are using a fantasy that doesn't exist to get their ideas across 

 

We need to be realistic to get the point across.

 

Odd as the trans rights movement in the US is one of the most successful and largely falls into the kind of rhetoric all 4 of you are claiming is somehow the root of some backlash, even with most conservative politicians losing their elections when focusing on trans people and most Americans having increased acceptance of trans people. 

[kimberly]

4 minutes ago, ithinkheknowsoutsold said:

Are we really making fatphobia a thing now? People die because of anti-trans hate and there are legislations working against it, it's really not the same.

you are being obtuse for no reason.

 

fatphobia is, and has always been, a thing. it has fatal consequences, too. fatphobia in the medical field causes patients' health concerns to go unnoticed everyday, when doctors tell them to "just lose some weight" instead of ordering proper tests and checkups.

 

regardless, that is a very small part of my comment. congratulations on picking that one word to display your own weirdness. 

[dumbsparce]

3 hours ago, Patient Zero said:

I really do think it's because of the trans and non-binary hate as of late. Especially the gender ideology has many people confused and bothered. The gays receive collateral damage because they fall under the same LGBTQ+ label as trans and non-binaries...

 

Not all trans and non-binary haters are homophobic. There are actually many gays who are transphobic and hate on non-binaries as well...

This is spot on. It also doesn't help that the trans or nonbinary people with the most visibility on social media come across as.. how to put it nicely.. caricatures? And this is coming from a fellow lgbt person (obviously). I can only imagine how even more irritated those outside of the community are when they stumble upon a video of a transwoman claiming to have gotten her period for the first time.

[Trent W]

4 minutes ago, Communion said:

 

 

 

Odd as the trans rights movement in the US is one of the most successful and largely falls into the kind of rhetoric all 4 of you are claiming is somehow the root of some backlash, even with most conservative politicians losing their elections when focusing on trans people and most Americans having increased acceptance of trans people. 

Again you are confusing trans-rights with some of the ridiculous ideas spreading online like "transwoman are bio woman" 

 

I've seen trans people trying to fight those stupid ideals I was mentioning in my earlier post.

 

This is not about ridiculing trans-rights, is about the misinformation some people spread and how they make the movement look bad.

[Headlock]

3 hours ago, Patient Zero said:

I really do think it's because of the trans and non-binary hate as of late. Especially the gender ideology has many people confused and bothered. The gays receive collateral damage because they fall under the same LGBTQ+ label as trans and non-binaries...

 

Not all trans and non-binary haters are homophobic. There are actually many gays who are transphobic and hate on non-binaries as well...

Yep, and a few of them are liking yours and other comments in this thread!

 

Trans/NB people are not the cause of this hate, the bigots who hate them are. They are not "the reason" for a rise in homophobia, the straight people are. It is frankly vile that there are people in our community who so willingly throw our trans/NB family under the bus.

[Headlock]

10 minutes ago, dumbsparce said:

This is spot on. It also doesn't help that the trans or nonbinary people with the most visibility on social media come across as.. how to put it nicely.. caricatures? And this is coming from a fellow lgbt person (obviously). I can only imagine how even more irritated those outside of the community are when they stumble upon a video of a transwoman claiming to have gotten her period for the first time.

Look upon yourself and reevaluate this comment. You being an LGBT person ~(obviously)~ and blaming the trans people living their lives on the internet for the rise in hate, and not the bigots attacking them, THAT is the problem. If a person existing causes someone to hate them, that is the bigots problem, not the queer person living their life.

[ithinkheknowsoutsold]

15 minutes ago, kimberly said:

you are being obtuse for no reason.

 

fatphobia is, and has always been, a thing. it has fatal consequences, too. fatphobia in the medical field causes patients' health concerns to go unnoticed everyday, when doctors tell them to "just lose some weight" instead of ordering proper tests and checkups.

 

regardless, that is a very small part of my comment. congratulations on picking that one word to display your own weirdness. 

I didn't say fatphobia wasn't an issue, just that it was not as on the same level as transphobia or homophobia or anything of the other things in terms of the vitriol it inspires, and I'm sure you can see what I meant. I didn't mean to trivialise the issue, and if you felt offended, then it wasn't my intention 

[dumbsparce]

8 minutes ago, Headlock said:

Look upon yourself and reevaluate this comment. You being an LGBT person ~(obviously)~ and blaming the trans people living their lives on the internet for the rise in hate, and not the bigots attacking them, THAT is the problem. If a person existing causes someone to hate them, that is the bigots problem, not the queer person living their life.

You're not offering any solutions though by telling a bigot "Ha! You're the problem!!". Better representation across social media would definitely help the cause.

Edited May 27 by dumbsparce

[Strawberry Bubble]

yes. The internet used to be very woke, now it is having more space for homophobic and transphobic people

[Communion]

10 minutes ago, Trent W said:

Again you are confusing trans-rights with some of the ridiculous ideas spreading online like "transwoman are bio woman" 

 

I've seen trans people trying to fight those stupid ideals I was mentioning in my earlier post.

 

This is not about ridiculing trans-rights, is about the misinformation some people spread and how they make the movement look bad.

Sis, you're out of your depth here and it's the same conversations over and over. It's hard to even address what you're saying cause there's no logic to follow. Anything you claim is a thing is not and has been invented out of think air, made worse by you not actually being able to show where such things you claim are happening actually exist.

 

Trans women are women. Cis women are women. Thus they're both women. We codify the reality that trans women are women (and trans men are men) by the legal protections the trans movement in America has won for trans people over the last two decades. 

 

The other people quoted similarly mention things like trans women playing in sports. Most Americans do not care about these things. There is no culture war in real life. Normies do not care about these things. These are the hysterics of an online, radical fringe and those who claim to see where they're coming from out themselves as in the fringe.

 

"Trans women in sports is a big issue!!" - anyone saying this is literally to the right of the Mormon governor of Utah.

 

[Stimulus]

The phrase "gender ideology" is an anti-LGBTQ term invented by conservatives and used by anti-trans activists such as TERFs to denigrate trans and non-binary people. Branding trans rights as an "ideology" is a way for conservatives to incorrectly portray trans people as extremists for simply existing, which is simply ridiculous. Seeing ATRLers use transphobic terms like "gender ideology" is very shocking, since this is supposed to be an LGBT-friendly site.