Aethereal Posted May 18 Posted May 18 In United States 10 digital track downloads equal 1 album unit. But I wonder if this formula applies to UK album units too?
Aethereal Posted May 18 Author Posted May 18 4 minutes ago, byzantium said: I think this is googleable information. Not really. Cannot find information anywhere. It is mostly ignored which I believe can be considered as a no, but AI say yes so it is confusing.
makeawish Posted May 18 Posted May 18 (edited) i've found it hard to find out this kind of uk chart info in general but, having looked thru these, i don't think i can see it mentioned and i'm going to say no https://www.officialcharts.com/sites/default/files/2023-08/Official UK Album Chart Rules August 2023.pdf i would not take AI saying yes as meaning anything, it's useless for finding out this kind of stuff (and most other things tbh) and tends only to cause confusion Edited May 18 by makeawish
Rico Shameless v2 Posted May 18 Posted May 18 No, single downloads do not contribute to UK albums chart. It can be confusing researching it, but most sites (including their own) only mention Audio/video streams being the only additional metric beyond purchases of the album. 5
shakeyourbombom Posted May 18 Posted May 18 Tbh that would be better if the track sales is not counted into the album sales. That will be double-counted just like the inflated numbers in the US right now. 5
Papi Juancho Posted May 19 Posted May 19 No, that is why it is so hard to be >2x Platinum in the country. If they do the same, albums like 1989, Harry's House, After Hours and FN would probably be >5xPlat.
Aethereal Posted May 19 Author Posted May 19 8 minutes ago, Papi Juancho said: No, that is why it is so hard to be >2x Platinum in the country. If they do the same, albums like 1989, Harry's House, After Hours and FN would probably be >5xPlat. 1989 is 5x Plat. Digital downloads are not that huge though. I estimated Katy's TD sold around ~3.6M downloads tracks which is equivalent to 360K units by the US formula. So basically one extra platinum in certifications.
Aethereal Posted May 19 Author Posted May 19 Correction 1989 is 6x Platinum but for some reason it wont let me edit the post.
byzantium Posted May 19 Posted May 19 (edited) 2 hours ago, Aethereal said: Not really. Cannot find information anywhere. It is mostly ignored which I believe can be considered as a no, but AI say yes so it is confusing. Oh that's odd there is no explanation anywhere. I do know they do something weird where they do not count the streams for the top 3 tracks. I guess this counteracts the double counting issue a little bit but is a large reason why it is so hard to get UK certs these days. For a lot of artists, the top 3 songs are 25%-50% of the total album streams. Edited May 19 by byzantium
makeawish Posted May 19 Posted May 19 12 hours ago, byzantium said: Oh that's odd there is no explanation anywhere. I do know they do something weird where they do not count the streams for the top 3 tracks. I guess this counteracts the double counting issue a little bit but is a large reason why it is so hard to get UK certs these days. For a lot of artists, the top 3 songs are 25%-50% of the total album streams. i think it's just the top two, it's in the appendix of the document that i posted upthread. uk single chart rules are weird but good i think cos they keep things moving. album chart rules are absolutely baffling and have resulted in a stagnant mess where hardly any new releases can hang around for more than about a month
Aethereal Posted May 19 Author Posted May 19 1 hour ago, makeawish said: i think it's just the top two, it's in the appendix of the document that i posted upthread. uk single chart rules are weird but good i think cos they keep things moving. album chart rules are absolutely baffling and have resulted in a stagnant mess where hardly any new releases can hang around for more than about a month Trying to compare which album was bigger in Europe can be challenging nowadays with streaming and digital downloads. Outside of UK, the digital downloads were not very strong though so if UK included them it would've been much easier. 1
LesFleur Posted May 19 Posted May 19 Struggling to find any explanation on downloads either but this sums up the streaming formula https://pickybs.com/2022/01/26/attempting-to-explain-the-uk-official-chart-without-losing-my-mind/ Quote The ratio for an album stream in 1000:1. So that's 1000 streams of a single track counting as a listen to an album. It doesn't matter if you listened to 'Thank U, Next' by Ariana Grande 1000 times or the whole album front to back 100 times, it counts the same. The trick here is that for 'fairness' the top 2 songs have their streaming numbers reduced to the average of the next 14 most streamed songs. Of course this means that anything with more than 2 massive hit singles is affected less than that album that has just one song that became huge on Tik-Tok, but you can see why it's done like this. In the UK only the top 16 songs even count towards the album chart too, which is why often you'll see artists tag previous singles or collaborations on at the end to bump up the average. 2
Delirious Posted May 20 Posted May 20 11 hours ago, LesFleur said: Struggling to find any explanation on downloads either but this sums up the streaming formula https://pickybs.com/2022/01/26/attempting-to-explain-the-uk-official-chart-without-losing-my-mind/ 16 oh wow you learn something new everyday Maybe that's why Ellie didn't put miracle on higher than heaven cause it already had 16 tracks
Aethereal Posted May 20 Author Posted May 20 (edited) 14 hours ago, Delirious said: 16 oh wow you learn something new everyday Maybe that's why Ellie didn't put miracle on higher than heaven cause it already had 16 tracks German streaming units are even worse. Lana (and many MPGs) have not gotten a certification there since UV. Much harder than during pure sales era. BTD was certified 800K in 2019 and this year it is certified 900K. Only 100K catalog units in nearly half a decade and a certain amount of them come from vinyls/CDs even though the album has been doing extremely great in Spotify and other streaming platforms. Edited May 20 by Aethereal 1
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