Brooklyn Baby Posted May 17 Posted May 17 The fumes in here. She's just taking Billie's advice and being more eco-friendly 2
kyoshi Posted May 17 Posted May 17 Just now, Funnyfatty said: Don't forgot how they made her AI porn to bully her. Anyone who falls under the radar of soccor stans are on danger. Man are dangerous in that sense but Taylor is an horrible person so i'm interested to see what will happen next. Karma will FIX her (YES IT REALLY CAN) you're a grown ass man bro please learn how to be normal 1 1 4
Jay07 Posted May 17 Posted May 17 6 minutes ago, PoisonedIvy said: See but that's the thing, the types of greed I was taught to reject are the kind that harm others. Greed like hoarding property or food and making it inaccessible to the needy. Taylor isn't doing anything even remotely on that scale. So again I say: what you call greed she calls ambition. Her goals do not diminish the quality of anyone else's life. I see no inherent harm in her actions. Im willing to concede if yall present a valid argument — for example, she is absolutely wreaking irreversible damage to our planet with her jet usage. (So are many, MANY others, so I don't single her out, but I can concede that to yall without blindly defending her. She is doing more damage than hundreds of thousands of us could cumulatively do in a lifetime) But nothing yall say is actually proving that her ""greed"" is detrimental to her fellow humans. More spinning and trying to qualify immoral behavior. Backstabbing and sabotaging others doesn't always have to lead to loss of life or livelihood. At those levels of success, a debut week at #1 does mean something and Taylor certainly knows that or she wouldn't rush out VOICE NOTES to secure a THIRD week at #1. She just has no scruples and is petty and vindictive and it says a lot about you that you dedicated 20 pages and 60 posts (and counting) to defend that. 11
punisher Posted May 17 Posted May 17 i'm on mobile, can someone on PC lmk how many posts PoisonedIvy has made on this thread?
Ger.vaz Posted May 17 Posted May 17 I'm really loving that she does not give a f*** anymore. If they say you are that petty, so be it. Billie deserves it for being so annoying. Get her 1 2 1 3
PoisonedIvy Posted May 17 Posted May 17 2 minutes ago, Jay07 said: Sorry but we simply cannot converse from the same starting point. Both Tay's behavior and your brown nosing example are examples of immoral behavior. Yes it happens in the real world but the fact that you claim it's something to be praised and defended is beyond me. I love debating you, you confront me head on, you're articulate, and you dissect multifaceted topics with dimension and nuance. I appreciate that, even if I think your overall demeanor can come across as dismissive or arrogant. But let's get into it. "brown nosing," from me or anyone else, is not immoral. You'd be hard pressed to get me to budge on that. Career growth, and whatever steps individuals take to enable that are indeed worthy of praise. There's a reason we congratulate and celebrate our peers when they are promoted. Even if we don't personally mesh with them, their goals are their own and their growth is a tangible measurement by which they can progress in their own life, without it affecting ours. Quote At least artists had enough shame to not do it so shamelessly and at least pretend to support their colleagues instead of sabotaging them. Music and art is beyond petty grudges and meaningless trinkets like weeks at #1. But Taylor has never been a real artist, just a commodity. So.. you want artists to be bashful? Ashamed of their ambition? Music is art but music is also business. Taylor is a musician but she is also a businesswoman. Women in business can be cutthroat. They have to be, to succeed. It's a man's world, and there are countless pieces of literature that speak at length about how calculated and strategic women have to be when ascending the professional ladder. Artists shouldn't have to be ashamed of their power moves. Quote And yes, saying bizarre stuff like "she's not going to take her foot off your neck" is gloating and weird. I said I hope she never takes her foot off the industry's neck, and the reason I said that is because I am entertained by the meltdowns of people who care about careers that are not their own. I can see the misunderstanding but I'm not gloating about her success. I also hope Azealia never takes her foot off of societies neck, no success involved, just pure entertainment. Quote Birds of a feather refers to you defending that in order to win, it's ok to do anything, including backstabbing your peers like you just did above. But I think you know that and you're just squirming to get out of the corner you painted yourself in by defending a ruthless capitalist with a mean, vindictive streak who more often than not targets her female colleagues. Taylor isn't really "backstabbing" Billie now is she? That would imply they had any sort of personal or professional relationship prior to tonight. They've interacted in passing briefly a handful of times over the years. Neither of them owes each other anything. No allegiance, no loyalty, no humility. It sounds like what you guys want is for Taylor to "humble" herself? There is indeed a balance between ambition and humility. But that balance is defined by the individual, based on their values. Taylor seems to value success and acclaim, so that balance is never going to match what you prefer. I don't prefer that balance either in my own life, the difference is I don't go around trying to impose my beliefs onto others. 1 1
Club classic Posted May 17 Posted May 17 3 minutes ago, Ger.vaz said: I'm really loving that she does not give a f*** anymore. If they say you are that petty, so be it. Billie deserves it for being so annoying. Get her how is being eco-friendly annoying? I love Taylor but be for real for a second if anything, we should celebrate a young artist pushing for recycled vinyl production
Ger.vaz Posted May 17 Posted May 17 2 minutes ago, sbenci said: how is being eco-friendly annoying? I love Taylor but be for real for a second if anything, we should celebrate a young artist pushing for recycled vinyl production If you really wanna be eco friendly, release it only digital and then you Can complaint about the 2847473 versions other people make.
Bey'Knight Posted May 17 Posted May 17 1 hour ago, DoubleRainbow! said: Katy Olivia SZA Billie does she hate women? Someone needs to pull a Megan and call her out for what she is. Her cup has just about overruneth 1
Club classic Posted May 17 Posted May 17 1 minute ago, Ger.vaz said: If you really wanna be eco friendly, release it only digital and then you Can complaint about the 2847473 versions other people make. all her variants are made of recycled materials. is it zero impact? no but it's much better for the environment. it's a good example for artists to follow. it's not an insult against anyone to pioneer more eco-friendly vinyl and it's not a personal attack against Taylor Swift.
PoisonedIvy Posted May 17 Posted May 17 11 minutes ago, Jay07 said: More spinning and trying to qualify immoral behavior. Backstabbing and sabotaging others doesn't always have to lead to loss of life or livelihood. At those levels of success, a debut week at #1 does mean something and Taylor certainly knows that or she wouldn't rush out VOICE NOTES to secure a THIRD week at #1. She just has no scruples and is petty and vindictive and it says a lot about you that you dedicated 20 pages and 60 posts (and counting) to defend that. Babe I'm never gonna be ashamed about my post count. I've been on this site for 10+ years, obviously I enjoy discussing and debating pop culture with other people on the internet. So you can hang up the weak attempts at shade. I take pride in my interpersonal communication, both online and offline. Ok, immorality doesn't have to lead to loss of life or livelihood. You're absolutely right. But morals and ethics are not universally agreed upon, they never have been. Philosophically speaking, we can argue for eons about Taylor's "ambition" OR "greed" and never reach a consensus. We reach an impasse every time, in every life, in every timeline. You're trying to tell me that greed is immoral, I'm trying to tell you ambition is not. Even if I meet you in the middle and call her ambition greed… I still can't concede that it's immoral. Her morals are her own, and she is exercising her GREED based on her own moral compass. Therefore it is not immoral? You don't value greed, and maybe you don't value ambition *at the sake of others.* That's fair, and you're welcome to live your life accordingly. Where you lose me is imposing that belief system on anyone other than yourself. "But we HAVE to impose morals on others, lest we end up accepting murderers and rapists!" you may say, to which I say laws came to be for that very reason. Certain acts are agreed upon by the majority of society to be immoral, and thus are enacted into political texts as socially taboo and punishable offenses. Greed, unfortunately, does not meet that criteria. 1 1
charot Posted May 17 Posted May 17 15 minutes ago, punisher said: i'm on mobile, can someone on PC lmk how many posts PoisonedIvy has made on this thread? 60
kyoshi Posted May 17 Posted May 17 Just now, sbenci said: how is being eco-friendly annoying? I love Taylor but be for real for a second if anything, we should celebrate a young artist pushing for recycled vinyl production Use recycled materials to dip them in lead at the end? what was the reason? 1
duybeeGAshantiGA Posted May 17 Posted May 17 6 minutes ago, Ger.vaz said: If you really wanna be eco friendly, release it only digital and then you Can complaint about the 2847473 versions other people make. 3 minutes ago, sbenci said: all her variants are made of recycled materials. is it zero impact? no but it's much better for the environment. it's a good example for artists to follow. it's not an insult against anyone to pioneer more eco-friendly vinyl and it's not a personal attack against Taylor Swift. Let's be real here. If she really wants to br eco friendly, she can release 1 recycled vinyl variant to stay true to her statement. Releasing 15 recycled variants still produced a lot factory emission. It's not like it's automatically good for the environment if it's "recycled" 2
PoisonedIvy Posted May 17 Posted May 17 Could anyone tell me why this user is using a discussion forum to DISCUSS a topic? You mean to tell me this user that has dozens of thousands of posts over the last decade is suddenly posting dozens of posts in one individual thread? The horror!!! 1 minute ago, duybeeGAshantiGA said: 2
Ger.vaz Posted May 17 Posted May 17 3 minutes ago, duybeeGAshantiGA said: Let's be real here. If she really wants to br eco friendly, she can release 1 recycled vinyl variant to stay true to her statement. Releasing 15 recycled variants still produced a lot factory emission. It's not like it's automatically good for the environment if it's "recycled" This!
Doogle Posted May 17 Posted May 17 8 hours ago, period sis said: Sorry but this is weird. So because Billie made a comment that in NO way was directed towards her, she has to completely ruin and take attention away another female artist 10+ years younger than her? That just does nothing but just prove Taylor's pettiness and confirms she felt hit by a comment that again, wasn't directed towards her. And she knows her cult of a fanbase will now do anything they can to block someone else's #1 kinda sad really And the way some defend her in here and laugh about how she's destroying the environment. A new level of brain rot 1
Club classic Posted May 17 Posted May 17 1 minute ago, duybeeGAshantiGA said: Let's be real here. If she really wants to br eco friendly, she can release 1 recycled vinyl variant to stay true to her statement. Releasing 15 recycled variants still produced a lot factory emission. It's not like it's automatically good for the environment if it's "recycled" by no means I'm a vinyl supply expert but I personally think (and where Billie's comment was also wrong) emission depends on quantity produced, not amount of variants. Which is why I don't really think it matters how many variants Billie or Taylor dropped. Using recycled materials is undeniably better though for the environment and I think other artists could follow this example, I'm not attacking Taylor or defending Billie, I'm simply stating recycled vinyl has a lower eco footprint
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