LadyDiana Posted May 17 Posted May 17 6 minutes ago, Aria0327 said: The extension….looks like no one buying these Orrr demand is so high, she decided to extend the sale and get few extra bucks?!
RoseBud Posted May 17 Posted May 17 4 minutes ago, DoubleRainbow! said: Katy Olivia SZA Billie does she hate women? Sabrina next ? 1
Guilherme Make Love Posted May 17 Posted May 17 I'm sure Billie will be blocked by Taylor That won't prevent Billie from getting the actual respected album, something sales doesn't buy 1 1
Born to Run Posted May 17 Posted May 17 7 minutes ago, DoubleRainbow! said: Katy Olivia SZA Billie does she hate women? She's the Nicki Minaj of Pop.
Jay07 Posted May 17 Posted May 17 (edited) 19 minutes ago, DoubleRainbow! said: Katy Olivia SZA Billie does she hate women? And Sabrina in the UK or something. At some point it stops being a coincidence. Like I am honestly shocked someone as successful as her is so petty and... pathetic. Can you imagine say, Madonna being embarrassing enough to time her release specifically to block someone she disliked? It is loser behavior. She really does live perpetually in high school. Meanwhile Billie has the critically acclaimed album and just made it available to stream for free. Edited May 17 by Jay07 1
lostcause Posted May 17 Posted May 17 This is loser behavior, niece of the queen/thirteenth in line for the throne behavior, born in Redding Pennsylvania behavior. This is private school girl meltdown after memorizing Pi for months only to lose the school-wide competition to the genuine mathlete behavior, this is daddy renting out the country club for a pool party same day as said mathletes party to try and ruin their 15th birthday behavior. This is 35 year old behavior, a 35 year old who shatters champagne flutes in frustration at the mere thought that anyone is younger and more talented than they are. At least McDonald's makes a product with some value, with a purpose and a place. Taylor Swifts brand is more akin to Supreme circa 2015, the line outside the storefront is the entire point. No value. No depth. Just hype. No wonder she's so desperate. 7 3 1 1 1
PoisonedIvy Posted May 17 Posted May 17 1 hour ago, Jay07 said: Embracing being a terrible person isn't the win you seem to think it is. Nothing I listed, true or not, makes her a terrible person. What you call greed, she calls ambition. What you call litigious, she calls prudence. She's not out here harassing people, she's releasing music. That's it. 2 2
Kakihara Posted May 17 Posted May 17 I'm surprised at the mixed reactions on Insta https://www.instagram.com/reel/C7C6rgVxpO0/?igsh=MTQ3bXh0OThweWho I used to think her stans were like the armys. Now on a serious note, Gaga BTW stun made billboard change the rules, armys mass buying madness also made bb change the rules. Isn't this one of those stunts that feel way too much and enough to evoke another change? I mean I don't beef with Taylor, she's the best bussines woman right now, but this feels so over the top, not just "she knows how to play the game" but abuse it. 1
Galah Posted May 17 Posted May 17 31 minutes ago, DoubleRainbow! said: Katy Olivia SZA Billie does she hate women? 27 minutes ago, RoseBud said: Sabrina next ? Next? She already tried (but failed) to block "Espresso" in the UK with "Fortnight", despite the latter already having spent a week at the top and her tour opener not having yet experienced the achievement. 1 1
Jay07 Posted May 17 Posted May 17 (edited) 14 minutes ago, PoisonedIvy said: Nothing I listed, true or not, makes her a terrible person. What you call greed, she calls ambition. What you call litigious, she calls prudence. She's not out here harassing people, she's releasing music. That's it. Nope, sorry. Systematically blocking female artists from the top stop is being a terrible person and shockingly obsessive and insecure to the point of being creepy. You can try to spin it all you want (and lord knows you tried, 50 posts in this thread alone) but being so much of a narcissist that you actively sabotage ALL YOUR COLLEAGUES and especially women is not ok under any light. Trying to ruin people's release week multiple times is the definition of harassment and bullying. And for what? Billiie is like 22. She's 35. Jesus Christ. Edited May 17 by Jay07 10 3 2
PoisonedIvy Posted May 17 Posted May 17 Just now, Jay07 said: Nope, sorry. Systematically blocking female artists from the top stop is being a terrible person and oddly... obsessive? You can try to spin it all you want (and lord knows you tried, 50 posts in this thread alone) but being so much of a narcissist that you actively antagonize ALL YOUR COLLEAGUES is not ok under any light. Trying to ruin people's release week multiple times is the definition of harassment and bullying. And for what? Billiie is like 22. She's 35. Jesus Christ. "Ruin people's release week" if not debuting at #1 ruins their week then they're not making music for the right reasons. Taylor makes music because writing is a lifeline for her. Any success is just an added bonus. The same should apply to other artists. Separate the art from the charts. Be happy that an album is released. Years later, I will enjoy SOS, TTPD, Midnights, Hit Me Hard and Soft, and whatever tf else without any memory whatsoever of their release weeks. The artists will still be touring material from them and the fans will look back fondly on the albums. Music matters. Charts do not. Taylor competing to become the most successful artist of all time isn't a bad thing. No matter how yall try to spin it. She's ambitious in the same way athletes are. She works hard to shatter her own boundaries, and I think that's pretty damn cool. It's about outdoing -herself- not about outdoing others. Billie is not Taylor's colleague. If you work at a law firm, another lawyer in another country is not your colleague. You are in the same industry. That's it. You reaching new heights and attaining new accolades in your field has no bearing on the success or acclaim of others in your field. Maybe that's too nuanced of a concept for some of you to agree with but that's how I see the world: the success of others is not at my expense. My failures are no one's fault but my own. If Billie fails to reach #1 and wants to attain it next time, it's up to her to do what she must to nourish her career in that direction. If she doesn't care, the more power to her. She is the artist and the chart is a Key Performance Indicator of her progress as a major label player. It's her worry, not ours. 2 1 8
Popboi. Posted May 17 Posted May 17 24 minutes ago, Jay07 said: And Sabrina in the UK or something. At some point it stops being a coincidence. Like I am honestly shocked someone as successful as her is so petty and... pathetic. Can you imagine say, Madonna being embarrassing enough to time her release specifically to block someone she disliked? It is loser behavior. She really does live perpetually in high school. Meanwhile Billie has the critically acclaimed album and just made it available to stream for free. The Sabrina thing was single CDs that were already printed so not done for a then unimaginable chart battle though these digital albums however... 1
Galah Posted May 17 Posted May 17 9 minutes ago, PoisonedIvy said: Nothing I listed, true or not, makes her a terrible person. What you call greed, she calls ambition. What you call litigious, she calls prudence. She's not out here harassing people, she's releasing music. That's it. That's the thing though, she's never just "releasing music" and that's it. There's always got to be a strategy, she's too calculated for there not to be. She could have released these voice memos at any time, or even alongside the album as she did with '1989' back in 2014, but no, she choose Billie's album release day. Just like she chose Katy's album release day to put her catalog back on Spotify, or Sabrina's best week of "Espresso" going #1 in the UK to release physical CD singles there, or in the chart battle with "Kill Bill" in the US back in 2023. Just like the metaphors in her lyrics, there's always something deeper going on, and it's always mean-spirited and antifeminist. She just can't stand to see other women in the same conversation as her. She is not a girl's girl. If that's the kind of personality you identify with and wish to support, nobody is going to stop you, but don't act ignorant and turn a blind eye to this pattern of behaviour that has repeated itself time after time after time, over and over and over again, be it from Katy Perry in 2014 to Billie in 2024. A whole decade, and it's the same pattern of behaviour. You won't convince me this wasn't an intentional slight against Billie. Taylor is too smart and too aware of her surroundings for her not to know this was Billie's day. Unless you're suggesting she isn't intelligent enough to know this? 2 11 1
Jay07 Posted May 17 Posted May 17 Just now, PoisonedIvy said: "Ruin people's release week" if not debuting at #1 ruins their week then they're not making music for the right reasons. Taylor makes music because writing is a lifeline for her. Any success is just an added bonus. The same should apply to other artists. Separate the art from the charts. Be happy that an album is released. Years later, I will enjoy SOS, TTPD, Midnights, Hit Me Hard and Soft, and whatever tf else without any memory whatsoever of their release weeks. The artists will still be touring material from them and the fans will look back fondly on the albums. Music matters. Charts do not. Taylor competing to become the most successful artist of all time isn't a bad thing. No matter how yall try to spin it. She's ambitious in the same way athletes are. She works hard to shatter her own boundaries, and I think that's pretty damn cool. It's about outdoing -herself- not about outdoing others. Billie is not Taylor's colleague. If you work at a law firm, another lawyer in another country is not your colleague. You are in the same industry. That's it. You reaching new heights and attaining new accolades in your field has no bearing on the success or acclaim of others in your field. Maybe that's too nuanced of a concept for some of you to agree with but that's how I see the world: the success of others is not at my expense. My failures are no one's fault but my own. If Billie fails to reach #1 and wants to attain it next time, it's up to her to do what she must to nourish her career in that direction. If she doesn't care, the more power to her. She is the artist and the chart is a Key Performance Indicator of her progress as a major label player. It's her worry, not ours. Not a screed about success not being the end all and be all when your fave literally just released voice notes for another week at #1 and to block an achievement from a colleague. Success has been her only guiding principle for her entire career. Jesus Christ. Again, this desperate spin doesn't distract from how pathetic and creepy this stunt is. Like, leave the girls alone, bully. 1
PoisonedIvy Posted May 17 Posted May 17 1 minute ago, Aurora said: That's the thing though, she's never just "releasing music" and that's it. There's always got to be a strategy, she's too calculated for there not to be. She could have released these voice memos at any time, or even alongside the album as she did with '1989' back in 2014, but no, she choose Billie's album release day. Just like she chose Katy's album release day to put her catalog back on Spotify, or Sabrina's best week of "Espresso" going #1 in the UK to release physical CD singles there, or in the chart battle with "Kill Bill" in the US back in 2023. Just like the metaphors in her lyrics, there's always something deeper going on, and it's always mean-spirited and antifeminist. She just can't stand to see other women in the same conversation as her. She is not a girl's girl. If that's the kind of personality you identify with and wish to support, nobody is going to stop you, but don't act ignorant and turn a blind eye to this pattern of behaviour that has repeated itself time after time after time, over and over and over again, be it from Katy Perry in 2014 to Billie in 2024. A whole decade, and it's the same pattern of behaviour. You won't convince me this wasn't an intentional slight against Billie. Taylor is too smart and too aware of her surroundings for her not to know this was Billie's day. Unless you're suggesting she isn't intelligent enough to know this? I'm not turning a blind eye to it. She strategically does whatever she has to in order to establish the Peking order of the industry. This is not new? For us or her? She admitted to it in her documentary. She wants to hold on to success as long as she possibly can. Her brain craves the reward chemical of being successful and adored. She is ambitious and Machiavellian and calculated and strategic. Yes? None of this is negative. Like, these are power moves. These are things that people should feel empowered by in their own professional lives. Do you guys not want to succeed? Do you intentionally underperform at work just so your coworkers don't seem inferior? Taylor has a very clear mission and she is doing everything in her power to attain it. She wants to be the biggest solo artist of all time. There are athletes that want to have the most championship rings of all time. These are the types of ambitions that most everyday people don't possess. Not everyone has the shark mentality. And that's fine, it's not for everyone. It can come off as cold hearted. But at the end of the day the worst thing you can say about the perpetrator is that they are selfish. Which.. ok? 1 1
PoisonedIvy Posted May 17 Posted May 17 1 minute ago, Jay07 said: Not a screed about success not being the end all and be all when your fave literally just released voice notes for another week at #1 and to block an achievement from a colleague. Success has been her only guiding principle for her entire career. Jesus Christ. Again, this desperate spin doesn't distract from how pathetic and creepy this stunt is. Like, leave the girls alone, bully. She also bullies the men, hope this helps! Yes, Taylor swift likes success. Hurr durr, we all know it. She craves it, she chases it, she will stop at nothing to attain it. And guess what: she is consistently meeting and exceeding her goals. There's a lesson in there somewhere about chasing your goals in spite of what people have to say along the way! 1 1 1
americanshameless Posted May 17 Posted May 17 47 minutes ago, DoubleRainbow! said: Katy Olivia SZA Billie does she hate women? Tswizzle when she sees a woman win 3
Støned Posted May 17 Posted May 17 (edited) This feud between them is such a mess. This is giving behaviour... Edited May 17 by Støned
PoisonedIvy Posted May 17 Posted May 17 1 minute ago, Katamari said: Why does this have 20 pages Because I had time today to shoot down the delusions and toxic negativity. Please make sure to stream Billie & Taylor's latest albums 1
Jay07 Posted May 17 Posted May 17 1 minute ago, PoisonedIvy said: I'm not turning a blind eye to it. She strategically does whatever she has to in order to establish the Peking order of the industry. This is not new? For us or her? She admitted to it in her documentary. She wants to hold on to success as long as she possibly can. Her brain craves the reward chemical of being successful and adored. She is ambitious and Machiavellian and calculated and strategic. Yes? None of this is negative. Like, these are power moves. These are things that people should feel empowered by in their own professional lives. Do you guys not want to succeed? Do you intentionally underperform at work just so your coworkers don't seem inferior? Taylor has a very clear mission and she is doing everything in her power to attain it. She wants to be the biggest solo artist of all time. There are athletes that want to have the most championship rings of all time. These are the types of ambitions that most everyday people don't possess. Not everyone has the shark mentality. And that's fine, it's not for everyone. It can come off as cold hearted. But at the end of the day the worst thing you can say about the perpetrator is that they are selfish. Which.. ok? The pecking order of the industry? Are you hearing yourself? This is a collective of artists that supposedly support and uplift each other, not the Colosseum in Roman Times. Of course this is unprecedented. I can't think of any other artist EVER that has used these cheap, backstabbing techniques, especially against women. I can't believe there are people actually supporting this as some sort of "shark instinct" especially when a few minutes ago you claimed she doesn't do it for the success. The cognitive dissonance is real. And yes, being cold hearted, backstabbing and cut throat is being a terrible person and borderline sociopathic. Sorry to break it to you. 9 1
jonapova Posted May 17 Posted May 17 3 minutes ago, Katamari said: Why does this have 20 pages Because that one Swiftie is arguing with himself and every other user who posts a reply 6
PoisonedIvy Posted May 17 Posted May 17 2 minutes ago, Jay07 said: The pecking order of the industry? Are you hearing yourself? This is a collective of artists that supposedly support and uplift each other, not the Colosseum in Roman Times. Of course this is unprecedented. I can't think of any other artist EVER that has used these cheap, backstabbing techniques, especially against women. I can't believe there are people actually supporting this as some sort of "shark instinct" especially when a few minutes ago you claimed she doesn't do it for the success. The cognitive dissonance is real. And yes, being cold hearted, backstabbing and cut throat is being a terrible person and borderline sociopathic. Sorry to break it to you. Being strategic, ambitious, and cunning will never be sociopathic to me. Sorry babe. If she wants to claim the title of the biggest solo artist of all time, none of us are gonna stop her, clearly, nor is there even a reason to? Let her achieve it, it's a personal goal. Once she achieves it she will probably have fulfilled that incessant need that drives her career forward. Maybe then you'll know peace. But until then, get used to it — she's not taking her foot off the gas. There's blood in the water and you seem to be lingering near it. I didn't claim she "doesn't do it for success" btw, I said songwriting is her lifeline. Two things can be true at once 1 1
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