Communion Posted May 13 Share Posted May 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostBox Posted May 13 Share Posted May 13 and if they want the "change" trump and co are gonna bring in his revenge tour 2.0 then They deserve every bad thing that's gonna happen 🎉 2 1 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorjesspazze9 Posted May 13 Share Posted May 13 While they at it, Can they change the cost of living? This **** is getting ridiculous. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnigmaticAndroid Posted May 13 Share Posted May 13 Tbf, I think Trump would bring more change than Biden, but none of it would actually be good. 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archetype Posted May 13 Share Posted May 13 (edited) 1 minute ago, EnigmaticAndroid said: Tbf, I think Trump would bring more change than Biden, but none of it would actually be good. Well yes, but I don't think the OP's source is saying that all change is good, just that people want some form of major changes because our current status quo is not working. Edited May 13 by Archetype Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kassi Posted May 13 Share Posted May 13 Why? The system is working. 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monologueNacafe Posted May 13 Share Posted May 13 It's so nice having certain people on ignore in this section OT: No surprise. People are fed up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAP Posted May 13 Share Posted May 13 Nothing some extra campaign donations can't fix Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GraceRandolph Posted May 13 Share Posted May 13 Nothing some extra Jill Stein bashing can't fix 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostBox Posted May 13 Share Posted May 13 1 hour ago, Archetype said: Well yes, but I don't think the OP's source is saying that all change is good, just that people want some form of major changes because our current status quo is not working. True. But then the question comes how many of these 70% still want it if it's Trump in the Oval Office. I'd say a lot would say no not that change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Communion Posted May 13 Author Share Posted May 13 4 minutes ago, GhostBox said: True. But then the question comes how many of these 70% still want it if it's Trump in the Oval Office. I'd say a lot would say no not that change. The issue is that Biden's voters are those who want change yet have come to the conclusion he can't deliver on that and thus find little boot in the exercise of voting. Imagine the radical shift to how we talk about the election if Biden stopped putting corporations first and came out with even a statement as small as saying he now supports Medicare For AlL and calls on Congressional Dems to try and pass it, putting the odus on them. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostBox Posted May 13 Share Posted May 13 3 minutes ago, Communion said: The issue is that Biden's voters are those who want change yet have come to the conclusion he can't deliver on that and thus find little boot in the exercise of voting. Imagine the radical shift to how we talk about the election if Biden stopped putting corporations first and came out with even a statement as small as saying he now supports Medicare For AlL and calls on Congressional Dems to try and pass it, putting the odus on them. And then it wouldn't pass and they would all still blame Biden. That's how it goes. On everything 💀 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Communion Posted May 13 Author Share Posted May 13 Just now, GhostBox said: And then it wouldn't pass and- There has never been a vote on Medicare For All in this country. You cannot claim what would be the fallout for a failed vote while defending a president who current position is that healthcare is not a right. You chose this shitty candidate. You're now upset that no one wants to vote for him. You either take the options in front of you or accept his self-manifested defeat. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImpressMeMuch Posted May 13 Share Posted May 13 and the vicious cycle continues change for the sake of change and no one wins 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike91 Posted May 13 Share Posted May 13 Most Americans can barely afford groceries and daily necessities, meanwhile the focus on this upcoming election is Trump's crimes and whether Biden is too old. But don't worry, Biden will win re-election. Enough upperclass white women will vote for him because of abortion. However, the economy will likely continue to worsen for everyday Americans with the cost of living continuing to go up. 2028 is likely when **** hits the fan. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClashAndBurn Posted May 13 Share Posted May 13 21 minutes ago, Mike91 said: But don't worry, Biden will win re-election. You all keep saying this with such certainty, and yet... it's going to be a 50-50 election no matter what you tell yourselves. Maybe 50-50 is better than it could be, but for an incumbent like Biden to not be walking away with this is absolutely abysmal and there's no sugarcoating that 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onyxmage Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 (edited) They said the same thing in 2008, 2012 2016 and 2020 whats your point? Americans are always angry and fed up. In 2012 when Obama won re-election they literally had the wall street protests where people were camped out in front of city halls for months. Edited May 14 by Onyxmage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onyxmage Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 45 minutes ago, Mike91 said: Most Americans can barely afford groceries and daily necessities, meanwhile the focus on this upcoming election is Trump's crimes and whether Biden is too old. But don't worry, Biden will win re-election. Enough upperclass white women will vote for him because of abortion. However, the economy will likely continue to worsen for everyday Americans with the cost of living continuing to go up. 2028 is likely when **** hits the fan. A man who has 91 criminal charges including ones for stealing classified documents is not the answer to you not being able to afford eggs. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GraceRandolph Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 1 hour ago, Mike91 said: Most Americans can barely afford groceries and daily necessities, meanwhile the focus on this upcoming election is Trump's crimes and whether Biden is too old. But don't worry, Biden will win re-election. Enough upperclass white women will vote for him because of abortion. However, the economy will likely continue to worsen for everyday Americans with the cost of living continuing to go up. 2028 is likely when **** hits the fan. Shits been hitting the fan all year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylena Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 Nothing will change and it may get worse if Biden wins. Nothing will change and it may get worse if Trump wins. The only way out of the two-party duopoly is voting for Jill Stein. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Relampago. Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 4 hours ago, GhostBox said: and if they want the "change" trump and co are gonna bring in his revenge tour 2.0 then They deserve every bad thing that's gonna happen 🎉 I'm voting for Biden but it's not the people's fault he's a lame president. He's not doing enough and his age doesn't help, he should not be running. Not voting for an uninspiring and weak president isn't really a reason to justify innocent people being murdered in and out of the US, through direct action or Biden's inaction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClashAndBurn Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 58 minutes ago, Onyxmage said: They said the same thing in 2008, 2012 2016 and 2020 whats your point? Americans are always angry and fed up. In 2012 when Obama won re-election they literally had the wall street protests where people were camped out in front of city halls for months. Literally both of the 2012 candidates were Wall Street-captured pieces of ****. It's a bipartisan issue, and no change is possible when the choices have been Ku Klux Klan vs. Diet Ronald Reagan for 4 straight decades now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shyboi Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 idk but im getting nervous, IRL there's basically zero support for Biden and those who keep it quiet are clearly voting for Trump, they don't say it out loud but you can tell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walk_Away21 Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 Can we have non vegetables run. Politics and discourse are such a mess, so no sane person will run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GardenPanty Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 5 minutes ago, shyboi said: idk but im getting nervous, IRL there's basically zero support for Biden and those who keep it quiet are clearly voting for Trump, they don't say it out loud but you can tell This, and you have to be beyond delusional to believe a third-party candidate will ever become president 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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