GraceRandolph Posted May 7 Posted May 7 This old man must step down. The Tara Reade allegations should've disqualified him from being the candidate in 2020 and I will forever be embarrassed that I voted for him in 2020. 6 2 3
réveuse Posted May 7 Posted May 7 This man is foul, and so is his opponent. Also, HAMAS AS ANCIENT??? They were literally founded in 1987. 4 1
SmittenCake Posted May 7 Posted May 7 wasnt he pro segregation at one point? and destroying black communities in the 90s? 1
Aethereal Posted May 7 Posted May 7 I don't think he really meant that way but he is kinda old and messes things up with words. So yes I don't think he is healthy to be a President.
GhostBox Posted May 7 Posted May 7 (edited) President Biden pointing out Hamas ( a terrorist organization) who does indeed hate Jews and wants them dead is still using ancient desires or beliefs held by many people through out history (yes that pre date their founding) in their quest to do so is not a racist trope. What is a racist trope though is anyone who believes criticizing Hamas means you're criticizing All Muslim or all Palestinians. Because Hamas does not represent all Muslims or Palestinians. Most of them who also hate Hamas. Edited May 7 by GhostBox 9 8
thesegayz Posted May 7 Posted May 7 So you're cheerleading Hamas, an actual terrorist organization, now to dunk on Joe Biden? So what is it? You support Palestine, the a state, or Hamas, the woman-hating, gay-stoning, resource-pilfering terrorist organization? You do more backflips that the American gymnastics team to get whatever point you try to make across. And your "blue check mark" sources are paying for their verification. Yikes. Anyone can say anything, but only people you agree with get echoed in your bubble. Hamas is as genocidal as Benjamin Netanyahu. And your posts are about as informed as Lauren Boebert or MTG. 5 7 7
GraceRandolph Posted May 7 Posted May 7 15 minutes ago, thesegayz said: So you're cheerleading Hamas, an actual terrorist organization, now to dunk on Joe Biden? So what is it? You support Palestine, the a state, or Hamas, the woman-hating, gay-stoning, resource-pilfering terrorist organization? You do more backflips that the American gymnastics team to get whatever point you try to make across. And your "blue check mark" sources are paying for their verification. Yikes. Anyone can say anything, but only people you agree with get echoed in your bubble. Hamas is as genocidal as Benjamin Netanyahu. And your posts are about as informed as Lauren Boebert or MTG. 2 1
ZeroSuitBritney Posted May 7 Posted May 7 He clearly misspoke. his Zionist ass clearly meant Arabs/Muslims/Palestinians.
Communion Posted May 7 Author Posted May 7 10 minutes ago, GhostBox said: President Biden pointing out Hamas ( 4 minutes ago, thesegayz said: So you're cheerleading Hamas, an actual terrorist organization Hamas is a political party. You're not dissuading anyone from the reality that you're peddling Islamophobia by throwing words around like "terrorism" as though this somehow means the issues at play are religion-based. Terrorism can occur with political intent. The US commits terrorism across the globe for political ends. There is nothing about Israel's occupation of Palestine or the greater conflict - if one chooses to avoid language that recognizes Zionist being the root cause - that goes back to religion. Political? Sure. Nationalist? Sure. Every expert on the history of the region understands this and says as much. This is not a religious conflict, it is a geopolitical one over land. To suggest it is a religious conflict is both Islamophobic and ironically antisemitic for conflating Zionism (a political nationalist ideology) and Judaism, a religion. It also erases the countless Christian and Jewish Palestinians who have been harmed by Israel's occupation of Palestinian land. Which is why Biden's comments are offensive. There is nothing "ancient" about a political party younger than his very own son. Israel itself isn't even 100 years old. By choosing to emphasize whatever hatred he feels exists not as deep-rooted but as ancient and innate, he peddles anti-Arab dog whistles and Islamophobic race science that is both offensive for its erasure of the antisemitic horrors done in the name of Christianity and simply ahistorical. It also contradicts the very argument that Zionists makes defending Israel, claiming it is the historical homeland of Jewish people and Palestinians being a recent invention. 6 3
brraap Posted May 7 Posted May 7 The only ones with ancient beliefs are Netanyahu + posse with the Amalek nonsense 2 1
Tovitov Posted May 7 Posted May 7 No need to tie yourselves in knots trying to defend Hamas. It feels like how the media was trying to make "Campus protests = Antisemitism". 2 3
Communion Posted May 7 Author Posted May 7 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Tovitov said: No need to tie yourselves in knots trying to defend Hamas. I mean, posts like this show why people defend Hamas from the claim that this started with them. Look at your posts. Look at the man you defend. The only ones twisting themselves into knots are those who think 900 Israeli lives are worth more than 35,000 Palestinian lives. Because you're not actually criticizing Hamas. Neithet you nor Biden nor his other sycophants can even name what Hamas is. You're working to have a free reign and a blank slate to project whatever racialized justifications you can for brutalizing Palestinians. See: those failed Israel-funded astroturfed hashtags like "HamasIsISIS" that not only showed Zionists and Western liberals to be Islamophobic but also historically illiterate. Hamas is a political party. Any acts of terrorism they've committed doesn't change that they were democratically-elected into power by a people who were victims themselves for decades to brutal terrorist attacks and war crimes by an apartheid regime whose own self-stated goal is a perpetual ethnostate. Edited May 7 by Communion 1
shyboi Posted May 7 Posted May 7 2 hours ago, SmittenCake said: wasnt he pro segregation at one point? and destroying black communities in the 90s? there's plenty of videos of him being openly racist and homophobic, this man is actually evil, i don't know what dems were thinking 5 3
LIT Posted May 8 Posted May 8 The notion that Hamas, and other Palestinian resistance groups, only exist because they possess some innate, "ancient" anti-Jewish racism is false. What we're being asked to believe is that if a non-Jewish people had colonized Palestine instead of the Zionists, Palestinians would have then just accepted being colonized. That were it not for the Jewishness of their colonizers, Palestinians would have simply said, "okay, sure, come take our land! Drive us from our homes! Cut down our olive trees! Put us in jail!" etc. This narrative serves as a distraction from the reality that any colonizer, Jewish or not, would be met with resistance from an indigenous population: Palestinians didn't choose who their colonizers were. It's more convenient for Zionists to pretend that Palestinians are just hateful antisemitic bigots, than to acknowledge the fact that under 'international law', a people under colonial occupation have the right to armed resistance of that occupation. Also: Palestinian Jews exist. They too have been killed by the IOF during the past several months. Yet you'll never see Biden holding the state of Israel accountable for the murder of these Jews, because he isn't actually interested in the safety of Jewish people. He's interested in upholding U.S. hegemony, which Israel has a crucial role in. 3 2
Tovitov Posted May 8 Posted May 8 19 minutes ago, Communion said: I mean, posts like this show why people defend Hamas from the claim that this started with them. Look at your posts. Look at the man you defend. The only ones twisting themselves into knots are those who think 900 Israeli lives are worth more than 35,000 Palestinian lives. Because you're not actually criticizing Hamas. Neithet you nor Biden nor his other sycophants can even name what Hamas is. You're working to have a free reign and a blank slate to project whatever racialized justifications you can for brutalizing Palestinians. See: those failed Israel-funded astroturfed hashtags like "HamasIsISIS" that not only showed Zionists and Western liberals to be Islamophobic but also historically illiterate. Hamas is a political party. Any acts of terrorism they've committed doesn't change that they were democratically-elected into power by a people who were victims themselves for decades to brutal terrorist attacks and war crimes by an apartheid regime whose own self-stated goal is a perpetual ethnostate. They were democratically elected than brutally murdered the opposition and haven't held an election in almost 20 years. Again, keep defending them. Really show just how off the rails this side of the debate is. Reminder, I have never once defended Israel. Nor Biden's conduct through the war. But yes, keep painting me as "privileged" or a "Biden sycophant" for holding nuanced opinions on complicated topics. 5 4
Thesedays Posted May 8 Posted May 8 2 hours ago, GhostBox said: President Biden pointing out Hamas ( a terrorist organization) who does indeed hate Jews and wants them dead is still using ancient desires or beliefs held by many people through out history (yes that pre date their founding) in their quest to do so is not a racist trope. What is a racist trope though is anyone who believes criticizing Hamas means you're criticizing All Muslim or all Palestinians. Because Hamas does not represent all Muslims or Palestinians. Most of them who also hate Hamas. Right. Do you have any justification as to why he is enabling islamophobes to go forward with genocide too? 1 1
Thesedays Posted May 8 Posted May 8 1 hour ago, Tovitov said: No need to tie yourselves in knots trying to defend Hamas. It feels like how the media was trying to make "Campus protests = Antisemitism". Can you point out any example of Hamas defense in this thread? Would love to see it <3
Thesedays Posted May 8 Posted May 8 27 minutes ago, Tovitov said: They were democratically elected than brutally murdered the opposition and haven't held an election in almost 20 years. Again, keep defending them. Really show just how off the rails this side of the debate is. Reminder, I have never once defended Israel. Nor Biden's conduct through the war. But yes, keep painting me as "privileged" or a "Biden sycophant" for holding nuanced opinions on complicated topics. So it seems like you're under the impression that pointing out historical facts- that they're a political party- is a "defense," in your opinion. Interesting. It reminds me of people who are against kids being taught about slavery because historical facts are bad for their end goal of denying reality.
Thesedays Posted May 8 Posted May 8 29 minutes ago, Tovitov said: Reminder, I have never once defended Israel. Nor Biden's conduct through the war. But yes, keep painting me as "privileged" or a "Biden sycophant" for holding nuanced opinions on complicated topics. Yes, genocide is a "complicated topic" that needs "nuanced opinions."
Thesedays Posted May 8 Posted May 8 (edited) 27 minutes ago, Thesedays said: Right. Do you have any justification as to why he is enabling islamophobes to go forward with genocide too? Considering @GhostBox lack of response (they did have the time to react to it, though), we can safely assume the answer to that is "no." And yet, they still defend Biden. What does that tell us, right? Edited May 8 by Thesedays 1
Communion Posted May 8 Author Posted May 8 Just now, Tovitov said: They were democratically elected than brutally murdered the opposition and haven't held an election in almost 20 years. Again, what could be someone's intent to lie like this? How do you feel comfortable having such an understanding and view of the world rooted in caricature? Why omit Israel cancelling peace talks with Fatah for working with Hamas for a unity government, putting pressure to block any plans for elections in years like 2014? Let alone the premise of this argument contradicts Israeli propaganda. Israel even admits - Hamas has been popular in Gaza. Elections would reflect Hamas' continued popularity. Hamas even won districts in the West Bank in the 2006 legislative elections. Current polls show Hamas remains popular in Gaza even after 10/07: Wanna know who else Israel deems to be a terrorist group? Fatah, the opposition you're citing Hamas has had armed conflicts with! Here is an official account linked to the Israeli government referring to Marwan Barghouti, who would literally beat Haniyeh in an election, as "another terrorist", while reports also indicate Israel pressuring the Palestinian Authority to ignore calls for Barghouti to be included in future prisoner releases: That Hamas and Fatah's cooperative government led to fragmentation and internal fighting mere weeks after the 2006 elections proves - not discredits - that elections themselves are not going to solve the issue of Palestinian self-determination if held within a system of apartheid. The occupation must end, as Palestinians demand. Recognizing that Hamas were democratically-elected =/= being glad they were. But my disagreement with any conservative political party also doesn't mean I can be a Western chauvinist and somehow ignore 1) that they were, 2) their popularity, 3) that part of why federal elections have not been held in years is due to Israel, and 4) that people are naturally going to align with a political power that promises militancy and armed resistance to occupation after peaceful attempts have been tried and failed. 4
Into The Void Posted May 8 Posted May 8 It's so crazy to me the 2 options for president are him and Trump Like, where did we go so wrong
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