Chemist Posted May 3 Posted May 3 19 minutes ago, Supervillain said: Bffr. Billie's album will be the most acclaimed album of the year. It's not gonna be more acclaimed than Cowboy Carter
SweetOreosOfHeaven Posted May 3 Posted May 3 NOT Billie and NOT Gaga and NOT Lana I don't think poptimism is gone though, that's a conspiracy theory. ES and CC both got incredible fan reception and great reviews followed. PTSD and RO got lukewarm fan reception and not-so-great reviews (they're not even that bad) followed. Maybe it's just mid music being recognized as such? 3
playwithme Posted May 3 Posted May 3 45 minutes ago, Chemist said: It's not gonna be more acclaimed than Cowboy Carter I guess it might not surpass CC on MC (I expect it to end up around 88-90), but it will most likely win AOTY.
Guilherme Make Love Posted May 3 Posted May 3 Billie isn´t even a proper pop artist, her sound and image is closely associated with her alternative peers. Really no reason to think she´ll be some victim of critics that had enough pop music. With that said, maybe is best to accept there´s no reason for the critical reception of Taylor and Dua other than both being really disappointing. Taylor was criticized because she´s extremely overexposed and putting things out too quickly and all too similar because of that. Dua is being critized because she is in this rollout for nearly 7 months now and promised a lot of things about psychedelic sounds and Massive Attacks inspirations that aren´t on the album at all, she just released a more organic version of her previous albums.
Timeless Posted May 3 Posted May 3 Poptimisim wouldn't be ending if these pop girls didn't release disappointing mid albums. We need pop excellence again. Albums filled with bangers back-to-back. If Katy can deliver Teenage Dream level of excellence again with KP6, poptimism will be revived !!
cuteboyzay Posted May 3 Posted May 3 It's definitely NOT the end of Poptism. If anything it's the end of MID Pop music. Critical darlings like Billie and Beyoncé actually intend to have a message behind most of their albums that resonate with the culture. And they work over time to create cinematic experiences through their work. If anything artists like Billie, Beyoncé, Lana, Rina Sawayama, and maybe even Ariana and other various artists are setting the new bar for pop music. Critics know these artists (male and female) can do A LOT better in terms of quality. That's why they're panning so many of these blockbuster releases. People are BORED. No matter how you package your albums, if the quality of the music is bad. It's not worth it. 3
thatsmydemi Posted May 3 Posted May 3 Billie's pop is not the typical radio friendly pop so I think she's safe.
Paultea Posted May 3 Posted May 3 (edited) 4 hours ago, cuteboyzay said: It's definitely NOT the end of Poptism. If anything it's the end of MID Pop music. Critical darlings like Billie and Beyoncé actually intend to have a message behind most of their albums that resonate with the culture. And they work over time to create cinematic experiences through their work. If anything artists like Billie, Beyoncé, Lana, Rina Sawayama, and maybe even Ariana and other various artists are setting the new bar for pop music. Critics know these artists (male and female) can do A LOT better in terms of quality. That's why they're panning so many of these blockbuster releases. People are BORED. No matter how you package your albums, if the quality of the music is bad. It's not worth it. I must have a different idea of poptism because I never really think of albums or artists that go genre specific. For instance with the artists you mentioned, the latest few releases for Beyoncé and Lana are more so their genres than they are pop music, especially Lana. They have pop songs but overall their albums aren't "pop" releases. Billie however integrates alternative elements into pop music. Rina just got similar mixed reviews for her latest release, so I unfortunately wouldn't group her in with artists setting any new bars currently. Right now I would say the only true pop darlings are Billie, Ariana and Olivia. I think the current expectations of having a message baked into every pop album is actually why it's dying. But I am okay if critics and some news orgs stop pretending they care about these releases or the genre as a whole. They really only started to because of social pressures and their dying relevancy. Now it's just constant "They're wrong about this review because ______ !!!!" when these types of critics have truly always despised this type of music unless it was coated in pretentious lacquer. Thats why places like MTV were cool and needed. They cultivated spaces for popular artists of all genres and their fans even if the album wasn't getting great critical reviews. Places like Pitchfork were never meant to be the standard or measurement for "good" pop music. There are certain hallmarks of pop music that have been missing lately, which have helped to create some boring releases. But I would say one of the biggest causes of this dismantling IS the need for critical approval. Once they got involved, a lot of artists became very self serious which at times can be at odds with good pop. All this to say- if poptism is truly dying, I think it will be good for pop music as a whole. Edited May 3 by Paultea 1
justin. Posted May 3 Posted May 3 If Gaga releases a third bland album in a row, it's going to be bad for her.
JoeAg Posted May 3 Posted May 3 Katy might be the only major popstar who's never benefitted from poptimism in any way, come to think of it like she got hits with a novelty and carefree mindset. I love Katy and think she has some EXCELLENT songs and iconic moments, but for some reason while the major publications love to praise deep cuts on other stars' albums, they never give any praise to like Walking on Air or Roulette for example 1
Iceland Posted May 4 Posted May 4 GaGa if she releases something subpar as Chromatica. We need a btw 2.0 or artpop 2.0
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