ChrisTheLoner Posted May 3 Posted May 3 25 minutes ago, Hurem said: Why do y'all obsess over critics? Is it that hard to enjoy music for what it is? This, yall need to be more Optimistic and not pay as much attention to that stuff and just enjoy the music
kimberly Posted May 3 Posted May 3 (edited) maybe a reverse TTPD experience can move the score on MC up to a nice 88. Edited May 3 by kimberly
Virgos Groove Posted May 3 Posted May 3 This was pre-planned to humanize her in the eyes of the public. Oh, her MIND
wigglytuffer Posted May 3 Posted May 3 (edited) Reminder that Teenage Dream by Katy Perry got 52 on Metacritic. Now would you class one of the most celebrated female album cycles of all time a 52? Exactly. I feel like it's only recently critics have been nicer to pop girls, I remember in the early 10s pop always got AWFUL rankings. Make your own mind up and enjoy it! Edited May 3 by wigglytuffer Edit 1 4
peacok Posted May 3 Posted May 3 This era is just so bland so I'm not surprised, scared to listen to the album now
Hex Posted May 3 Posted May 3 I think this is a very fair score for a slightly above average generic pop album. It's all around good. I'd personally give 6/10 but 7/10 is ok with me. Glad poptimism and the, in general, trend of giving anything a 3/5 at the lowest is coming to an end. 5/10 to me indicates an average album. 8+ should be reserved for genuinely great albums and 9+ for undeniable classics... not just anything that ticks all the boxes of being serviceable. 6 3
Hex Posted May 3 Posted May 3 3 minutes ago, wigglytuffer said: Reminder that Teenage Dream by Katy Perry got 52 on Metacritic. Now would you class one of the most impactful pop albums of the milennium a 52? Exactly. I feel like it's only recently critics have been nicer to pop girls, I remember in the early 10s pop always got AWFUL rankings. Make your own mind up and enjoy it! Critical evaluation doesn't equal to enjoyment necessarily. People love eating garbage food like chips because they're addictive and easy. Same with most pop music. Doesn't make it anything special from an art perspective. This is why fans should disregard critique unless they genuinely care about quality of art (most don't and that's ok, pop is made to be a consumable product for the masses). 3
wigglytuffer Posted May 3 Posted May 3 2 minutes ago, Hex said: Critical evaluation doesn't equal to enjoyment necessarily. People love eating garbage food like chips because they're addictive and easy. Same with most pop music. Doesn't make it anything special from an art perspective. This is why fans should disregard critique unless they genuinely care about quality of art (most don't and that's ok, pop is made to be a consumable product for the masses). Oh yeah of course, I meant in the sense like to not just cancel the album upon arrival cos it's not getting universal acclaim. Agree that if Pop should be exacltly what it says on the tin (POPULAR music)
mael Posted May 3 Posted May 3 I was a functioning alcoholic 'til nobody noticed my new aesthetic... All of this to say I hope you're okay @Solaria 2
ATRL Moderator supaspaz Posted May 3 ATRL Moderator Posted May 3 48 minutes ago, Machete said: Damn. So Taylor really started poptismism with 1989 and ended it with TTPD Wait, you all think poptimism started with 1989?
Hex Posted May 3 Posted May 3 1 minute ago, wigglytuffer said: Oh yeah of course, I meant in the sense like to not just cancel the album upon arrival cos it's not getting universal acclaim. Agree that if Pop should be exacltly what it says on the tin (POPULAR music) Agreed! What I think is interesting is how people here are deeming a 70/10 a "flop" in any sense... a flop imo would be something below a 50 because a 70 reads like "pretty good, nice job". I think our brains are rotted by how highly praised very basic pop has been recently (mostly to give publications better success). We've in a way become disillusioned by dishonest criticism that now we think anything below an 85 is a flop 5
halcyonday Posted May 3 Posted May 3 A drop to 67/100... It being the 6th most panned album of the year so far.. The review that called her a "default Sim (popstar expansion pack version)"... I can't believe what I'm seeing This is a Dua Lipa pop album in 2024 getting destroyed left and right, holy damn 4
KOMH Posted May 3 Posted May 3 Slant - 80/100 https://www.slantmagazine.com/music/dua-lipa-radical-optimism-album-review/
Raspberries Posted May 3 Posted May 3 14 minutes ago, supaspaz said: Wait, you all think poptimism started with 1989? It did. It was the start of critics being much less harsh on pure pop albums/albums by the big pop girls
Redstreak Posted May 3 Posted May 3 1 minute ago, Raspberries said: It did. It was the start of critics being much less harsh on pure pop albums/albums by the big pop girls it only got a 76 though, it was actually a point lower than her two previous albums at the time
ATRL Moderator supaspaz Posted May 3 ATRL Moderator Posted May 3 1 minute ago, Raspberries said: It did. It was the start of critics being much less harsh on pure pop albums/albums by the big pop girls Oh, that's not poptimism, though. The actual concept of poptimism preceded 1989 by a decade. It was already facing a backlash by 2014. 1
Bribe Posted May 3 Posted May 3 Her stuff just takes time to smash. It'll be acclaimed in a few months.
Raspberries Posted May 3 Posted May 3 1 minute ago, supaspaz said: Oh, that's not poptimism, though. The actual concept of poptimism preceded 1989 by a decade. It was already facing a backlash by 2014. Taylor Swift leads poptimism's rebirth https://amp.theguardian.com/music/2014/dec/03/taylor-swift-poptimism
Blue Rose Posted May 3 Posted May 3 21 minutes ago, supaspaz said: Wait, you all think poptimism started with 1989? I would say BEYONCÉ did just few months before 1989. But im guessing atrl doesn't see her as Pop
ATRL Moderator supaspaz Posted May 3 ATRL Moderator Posted May 3 3 minutes ago, Raspberries said: Taylor Swift leads poptimism's rebirth https://amp.theguardian.com/music/2014/dec/03/taylor-swift-poptimism Okay, well, Iam Gormely didn't do his history homework. 1 1
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