Topaz Posted April 30 Posted April 30 I think physicals would push the albums sales. Hoping for at least 50-80k. I hope its a mixed genre record too because she sounds amazing on pop songs too. 2 1
stephen1108 Posted April 30 Posted April 30 She needs to serve us another "Checklist" the fact that wasn't pushed always confused me. 3 1
remming Posted April 30 Posted April 30 Great interview and the pictures are amazing. Can't wait to hear the James Blake song. 1
Scandalous Posted April 30 Posted April 30 JAMES BLAKE his lane of experimental r&b type stuff is exactly what i'd love to hear from Norma 1
butterflymimi Posted April 30 Posted April 30 I've been most excited for the James Blake collab ever since we learnt about it in base, it will be a highlight I fear
Crank_It_Up Posted April 30 Posted April 30 James Blake can't do NO wrong. I'm so excited for this one!!!
Garbaj Posted April 30 Posted April 30 i could see this doing a "CTRL" by this i mean it being critically acclaimed, having a rough roll-out at the start, with the "lead" single not really taking off immediately but resonating with fans instantly... many people called SZA a flop during "Drew Barrymore" and then all it took was "Love Galore" to pop off... and the rest was history. 3 1
remming Posted May 1 Posted May 1 He quoted his tweet to Normani from a few years ago. I'm really excited to hear this one 1
nooniebao Posted May 1 Posted May 1 1 hour ago, remming said: He quoted his tweet to Normani from a few years ago. I'm really excited to hear this one I wonder how old most of these songs are if Tantrums dates all the way back to 2021. 1
Cbreezy Posted May 1 Posted May 1 17 hours ago, Garbaj said: i could see this doing a "CTRL" by this i mean it being critically acclaimed, having a rough roll-out at the start, with the "lead" single not really taking off immediately but resonating with fans instantly... many people called SZA a flop during "Drew Barrymore" and then all it took was "Love Galore" to pop off... and the rest was history. Well, I hope so. I'm in a weird space with Mani at the moment. I've given her so much grace - both online and offline - with the constant jabs received. Defended her to the max, especially with our (fan) knowledge of all the team changes behind the scenes. Stuff that the GP will never truly get or factor into the years of delays. But, at the same time, there's an unshakable element of Mani herself making the wrong choices. Constantly. After Wild Side, we were begging for an uptempo...she gave us Fair (which, not only was mid af, they actually wasted money on it with the Fallon performance and the now-scrapped video). Who...does...that....?! Now, once again, we're all wanting an uptempo, she gives us 1:59. Another "ok" song, but yet another track lacking any umph or urgency. It's also confirmed that, like Fair, they are wasiting time/money on a video for it too. Putting the uptempo thing to the side, even if wanting to stay in slow jam lane, Mani ought to look at what SZA (ironically) is doing. SHE gets it. There's a way to give vibey, cool kid, minimalist while still packing a punch. Songs like Snooze, I Hate U, Kill Bill, Love Galore, The Weeknd all command a certain attention that most of Mani's recent songs don't. Wild Side shows she can do it, but even then...give us some damn variety. And tempo. 2 3
Alex Posted May 1 Posted May 1 Yes her career has been dampened with bad choices from all sides over at Camp Normani so it should be nothing new but if SZA could make it with all the BS behind the scenes then we shouldn't count Normani out just yet. That's only if the music is good however, because not only was CTRL boasted by fresh, left-field and slightly experimental productions but it had a wave of deep honesty and perspective written all over it. Normani doesn't strike me as the artist to really get vulnerable and deep with her songs (if Fair is anything to go by...) or sing about struggle subjects in general, so it's going to be an uphill challenge for her to position and differentiate herself as an artist from all the other girls out right now. The problem is, her MSP was her being a big performer, heavy choreography, theatrics and the such. Once you step away from the Motivation's and take away the tempo and the "bops", there's nothing really groundbreaking left and all the Pop stans won't be jumping to support you... but that's also because she's truly left a lot to the imagination with the lack of visuals and overall presence. Wild Side's video was a slay but let's not lie many were divisive about the song before the video dropped. Same thing is happening here, but this time it's a bit more justified. Circling back, Normani singing about a booty call isn't going to cut it. We already have Wild Side which happened almost 3 years ago and she did it better the first time. We're retreading the same concept with the same sound but slap it with an even worse rollout and a bad feature and we have 1:59. We need new concepts, new ideas, new something... Normani came into the game with an image she decided not to keep, building her brand up again despite being receiving massive hype with minimal output is concerning because she cannot afford a "bad" or even mediocre album atp.. Wishing her the best, but like, it's really time to put your foot on the GAS @ Normani.
AFullMoonlight Posted May 1 Posted May 1 Motivation was a one off in her discography. I'm begging y'all to let it go. You'd think it was certified diamond the way y'all speak about that Ariana reject. Normani songs and hits have mostly been midtempos. Her first real solo effort as 'Normani' was Waves. She's told us who she is and what kind of artist she wants to be. Nothing about her personality screams high energy. She's a laid back, soft spoken, introverted BW in the same vein as Aaliyah and Janet. The problem is y'all decided to put her in a box that she never wanted to be in. 5 1
Cbreezy Posted May 1 Posted May 1 1 hour ago, AFullMoonlight said: Motivation was a one off in her discography. I'm begging y'all to let it go. You'd think it was certified diamond the way y'all speak about that Ariana reject. Normani songs and hits have mostly been midtempos. Her first real solo effort as 'Normani' was Waves. She's told us who she is and what kind of artist she wants to be. Nothing about her personality screams high energy. She's a laid back, soft spoken, introverted BW in the same vein as Aaliyah and Janet. The problem is y'all decided to put her in a box that she never wanted to be in. That's the thing, though. I don't think anyone actually wants Motivation part 2. We want a) better songs. and b) tempo. Which only makes sense given Normani's strongest asset being her performance ability. Few of us would be complaining if she came out swinging with another Wild Side or even a Love Lies, but 1:59 is mid at best. As was Fair. With a trajectory like Mani's, that's unacceptable. I'm a fan, but also have to be realistic. This is a business. Even reading in The Cut interview that the WS video cost a million actually worried me because labels are ruthless. If you're spending a milli and not making a fraction of that back or just breaking even across all of her other activity (in a 360 deal) then issa chop eventually. The math has to math at some point. I get really riled by all of this "she can do what she wants to do" and "let her release what she wants". Those remarks will only prove valid when a) Mani delivers sales that can show her worth to the label and earn her a degree of autonomy or b) she becomes an indie act steering her own career. At which point the fans co-signing her every wrong move can wave goodbye to these big splashy videos and say hello to the Dawn Richard / Tinashe DIY route. Which is nothing to scoff at, but isn't what we want for Mani. In the most simplest terms, the album needs to be full of bops or she's looking at an eventual chop from the label. 3 1
Gossip_Boy Posted May 1 Posted May 1 James Blake? Can't wait for the moody horny R&B bop they're about to deliver.
4RCH1M3D35 Posted May 1 Posted May 1 The uptempo better be ready to go with all the bells and whistles. The GP says they want to see her shake her ass or they won't pay attention. 1
MaxMartin Posted May 1 Posted May 1 (edited) 2 hours ago, AFullMoonlight said: Motivation was a one off in her discography. I'm begging y'all to let it go. You'd think it was certified diamond the way y'all speak about that Ariana reject. Normani songs and hits have mostly been midtempos. Her first real solo effort as 'Normani' was Waves. She's told us who she is and what kind of artist she wants to be. Nothing about her personality screams high energy. She's a laid back, soft spoken, introverted BW in the same vein as Aaliyah and Janet. The problem is y'all decided to put her in a box that she never wanted to be in. this could be the case after 3 albums but I'm afraid she needs to play the game a little if she wants to be in this industry. Plus the excuse "high energy is not her" is not believable when she makes a ridiculously high energy dance choreo for a sultry downtempo song like Wild Side. Edited May 1 by MaxMartin
AFullMoonlight Posted May 1 Posted May 1 24 minutes ago, Cbreezy said: That's the thing, though. I don't think anyone actually wants Motivation part 2. We want a) better songs. and b) tempo. Which only makes sense given Normani's strongest asset being her performance ability. Few of us would be complaining if she came out swinging with another Wild Side or even a Love Lies, but 1:59 is mid at best. As was Fair. With a trajectory like Mani's, that's unacceptable. I'm a fan, but also have to be realistic. This is a business. Even reading in The Cut interview that the WS video cost a million actually worried me because labels are ruthless. If you're spending a milli and not making a fraction of that back or just breaking even across all of her other activity (in a 360 deal) then issa chop eventually. The math has to math at some point. I get really riled by all of this "she can do what she wants to do" and "let her release what she wants". Those remarks will only prove valid when a) Mani delivers sales that can show her worth to the label and earn her a degree of autonomy or b) she becomes an indie act steering her own career. At which point the fans co-signing her every wrong move can wave goodbye to these big splashy videos and say hello to the Dawn Richard / Tinashe DIY route. Which is nothing to scoff at, but isn't what we want for Mani. In the most simplest terms, the album needs to be full of bops or she's looking at an eventual chop from the label. Please don't insult my intelligence. You want to be realistic? Let's. Motivation was not the mega hit that y'all remember it to be. I'm so sorry for misinterpreting people begging her to release another Motivation and crying about her not liking that song as people wanting another Motivation. Silly of me. Personally, I don't understand the praise for Motivation and the distaste of her more R&B leaning music. Actually that's a lie, but music is subjective and I'll leave that alone. The not so few people crying I'm willing to bet are the same people who didn't like WS when the song first came out. I know people like to forget that it didn't initially sit well with many because the success of songs can make brains go foggy. Now correct me if I'm wrong, but I honestly don't like the energy some of y'all have towards fans that aren't as pessimistic as you. Perhaps I'm reading too much into it. I apologize in advance if thats the case. What gets me riled up is the faux superiority complex that some users have on this site. Realistically, we know next to nothing about her financial situation with RCA. We do not know what her ROI is and have not the slightest clue of where RCA stands with Normani. All we know regarding the WS video is that she had to come out her own pocket to get the finish product she wanted. We can even infer and guesstimate. Thats about it. I'm not sure why anybody would be oppose to an artist releasing the music that they personally want to release which Normani has expressed is what she wants to do out of her own mouth. I'm not one of those 'fans' or 'stans' here to support an artist for what they could be or how much numbers can produce or what have you. It would be nice if she did see success, but what matters most to me is the music. The album needs to be cohesive, good, and tell us who Normani is an artist. 1 minute ago, MaxMartin said: this could be the case after 3 albums but I'm afraid she needs to play the game a little if she wants to be in this industry. Plus the excuse "high energy is not her" is not believable when she makes a ridiculous high energy dance choreo for a sultry downtempo song like Wild Side. I didn't think I had to explain what I meant by high energy. In that context I was speaking on her personality. Her choreography I would describe as technical, complex, smooth, and effortless. 2 1
goldstargay Posted May 1 Posted May 1 I don't need uptempo but I do need hooks, melodies, vocals... not meandering songs that go nowhere or have no sort of climax or punch. like give us SOMETHING. 3 2
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